Author Topic: Why does the IFBB.. (Read 11248 times)

Bast175 · « **on:** May 01, 2006, 04:16:06 PM »

treat its bodybuilders like shit?

Chick · « **Reply #1 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:17:30 PM »

A. because the athletes have always allowed them to.

HRDCOR · « **Reply #2 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:21:08 PM »

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A. because the athletes have always allowed them to.

CORRECT BOB , you get a "A" and can sit at the front of the class .

240 is Back · « **Reply #3 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:22:55 PM »

Quote from: Chick on May 01, 2006, 04:17:30 PM

A. because the athletes have always allowed them to.

Bob, all flaming aside, if I was an IFBB athlete who had planned my year around doing the Toronto Pro, I'd be pretty upset right now.

It is time to unionize the athletes. neither IFBB nor PDI affiliations. But Pro BBer affiliation. Guys should be able to do both divisions, promoters should require contracts so they can secure sponsors, and athletes should be guaranteed a payout should a show go belly-up once they're prepping for it.

knny187 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:23:28 PM »

athlete....hahahahahahaha

Deadpool · « **Reply #5 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:25:00 PM »

Quote from: knny187 on May 01, 2006, 04:23:28 PM

athlete....hahahahahahaha

you mean bodybuilding isn't a sport?

LuciusFox · « **Reply #6 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:25:37 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on May 01, 2006, 04:22:55 PM

Bob, all flaming aside, if I was an IFBB athlete who had planned my year around doing the Toronto Pro, I'd be pretty upset right now.

It is time to unionize the athletes. neither IFBB nor PDI affiliations. But Pro BBer affiliation. Guys should be able to do both divisions, promoters should require contracts so they can secure sponsors, and athletes should be guaranteed a payout should a show go belly-up once they're prepping for it.

How is this going to happen when bodybuilders refuse to show up for meetings?

Chick · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:27:44 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on May 01, 2006, 04:22:55 PM

Bob, all flaming aside, if I was an IFBB athlete who had planned my year around doing the Toronto Pro, I'd be pretty upset right now.

It is time to unionize the athletes. neither IFBB nor PDI affiliations. But Pro BBer affiliation. Guys should be able to do both divisions, promoters should require contracts so they can secure sponsors, and athletes should be guaranteed a payout should a show go belly-up once they're prepping for it.

Please...the NYPro is a week away from the Toronto...any athlete can compete there as well.

LuciusFox · « **Reply #8 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:28:32 PM »

Quote from: Grundle on May 01, 2006, 04:26:55 PM

Maybe they are not showing up for meetings because the meetings are as productive as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic!

Circular reasoning. Meetings would be more productive if they would show up.

240 is Back · « **Reply #9 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:30:35 PM »

Quote from: Chick on May 01, 2006, 04:27:44 PM

Please...the NYPro is a week away from the Toronto...any athlete can compete there as well.

Bob, you're acting like thee will be zero cost in making changes in travel plans and other arrangements, just 3 weeks out from the flight. Suddenly, they have to be ready for a show a week earlier than planned.

plus, the IFBB athletes collectively just lost the income the toronto pro would have generated. As their rep, you should be pissed right now!

Bast175 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:31:19 PM »

Quote from: Chick on May 01, 2006, 04:27:44 PM

Please...the NYPro is a week away from the Toronto...any athlete can compete there as well.

Won't there be like 45 competitors at the NY now?

Bast175 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:32:15 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on May 01, 2006, 04:30:35 PM

plus, the IFBB athletes collectively just lost the income the toronto pro would have generated. As their rep, you should be pissed right now!

and the odds to make money at the NY show will be much worse now with more competitors.

Lift Studios · « **Reply #12 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:33:51 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on May 01, 2006, 04:22:55 PM

Guys should be able to do both divisions...

I'm assuming you mean IFBB pros should get to do both divisions?

240 is Back · « **Reply #13 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:34:27 PM »

Quote from: Bast175 on May 01, 2006, 04:31:19 PM

Won't there be like 45 competitors at the NY now?

Plus guys are now spending hundreds more on plane tickets, some have passport issues now, to battle against double the number of competitors, and are, woah, a WEEK BEHIND in preparation for the NY Pro.

bob, so say "please, the NYPro is a week away from the Toronto" is being insensitive to their needs. Four weeks out just became 3 weeks out for them, and they're competing against twice as many guys. I'd be pissed that there were no safeguards in place to provide for some financial return should this happen.

It's your job, Bob. Require contracts from 1) Athletes 2) Promoters for every show with financial punishments for non-compliance. And if you won't do it, resign and put a lawyer in who WILL do it.

HRDCOR · « **Reply #14 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:35:14 PM »

Gotta admit Bob , they are all valid pionts the guys are making here !!!!! $:-\$

240 is Back · « **Reply #15 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:35:26 PM »

Quote from: Lift Studios on May 01, 2006, 04:33:51 PM

I'm assuming you mean IFBB pros should get to do both divisions?

Yes. If the IFBB cannot guarantee work that was promised to the athletes, then the athletes should be able to seek employment elsewhere without penalty.

LuciusFox · « **Reply #16 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:36:10 PM »

Quote from: Grundle on May 01, 2006, 04:31:50 PM

That's idiotic. The pros don't show up because nothing they say MATTERS! It's Jim Manion's show and thats how it is.

Wrong. Bob has gotten things done at meetings and Manion would be more receptive to suggestions if he saw how many people wanted them.

dearth · « **Reply #17 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:37:33 PM »

Quote from: Chick on May 01, 2006, 04:27:44 PM

Please...the NYPro is a week away from the Toronto...any athlete can compete there as well.

so in other words, the "athletes" should bend over and take it,
just because the NY pro is one week away?

athletes rep, yeah right! more like IFBB mouth piece..

Chick · « **Reply #18 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:38:07 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on May 01, 2006, 04:30:35 PM

Bob, you're acting like thee will be zero cost in making changes in travel plans and other arrangements, just 3 weeks out from the flight. Suddenly, they have to be ready for a show a week earlier than planned.

plus, the IFBB athletes collectively just lost the income the toronto pro would have generated. As their rep, you should be pissed right now!

There were also costs that Winston is going to lose as well...Most probably in the thousands. I'm sure canceling the show was the last resort.

As an athlete, yeah I'd be pissed...but what are you going to do? Adjustments can be made,reservations can be canceled, and flights can be switched. Believe me, these guys (competitors) are already in thousands deep. Time to make lemonade....

240 is Back · « **Reply #19 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:39:11 PM »

Bob, I'm sorry I have been a prick in the past. But I'm being stone serious at the moment.

There are men with plane tickets to shows which are now worthless. Athletes and their families are now stuck with worthless tickets. Thousands spent on show prep is now wasted. This would NOT fly in any other athleteic event. If Tiger pulls out of a show he's signed up to do, he takes a financial penalty. If Clinton agrees to speak at a University (and pulls out), there are financial penalties. After all, advertising and prep goes into preparing for these events.

The athletes should not spend ONE DIME on show prep until they are guaranteed a contract.

Contracts, contracts, contracts! This is a business, and men are losing money on this show as a result of incompetence!

Bast175 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:40:12 PM »

Why can't bb's compete in the PDI AND the IFBB if they don't sign contracts?

240 is Back · « **Reply #21 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:40:50 PM »

Quote from: Chick on May 01, 2006, 04:38:07 PM

There were also costs that Winston is going to lose as well...Most probably in the thousands. I'm sure canceling the show was the last resort.

Winston used their likeness to sell spots to promoters. I know Winston hasn't missed many meals while preparing for this show. And we all know damn well his losses are corporate, the losses of the athletes are personal.

Don't cry tears for a man who puts his own corp ahead of other mens personal assets

240 is Back · « **Reply #22 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:41:49 PM »

Quote from: Bast175 on May 01, 2006, 04:40:12 PM

Why can't bb's compete in the PDI AND the IFBB if they don't sign contracts?

IFBB guarantees no shows- but requires that athletes can only compete in their federation.

Any other individual sport- tennis, golf, etc, you can play for anyone, any league, anything private. You are a CONTRACTOR.

BBING is not a team sport.

midknight · « **Reply #23 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:42:08 PM »

Quote from: Chick on May 01, 2006, 04:38:07 PM

There were also costs that Winston is going to lose as well...Most probably in the thousands. I'm sure canceling the show was the last resort.

As an athlete, yeah I'd be pissed...but what are you going to do? Adjustments can be made,reservations can be canceled, and flights can be switched. Believe me, these guys (competitors) are already in thousands deep. Time to make lemonade....

you mean to say there are promoters who actually think they can clear a profit from BB shows?

Selling tickets to competitors friends and family will only get you so far...

onlyme · « **Reply #24 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:43:41 PM »

Hell all of a sudden a promoter is concerned about losing money. The prize money is guaranteed by Manion. When they do these shows the sposnsors are paying for a good part of the show. Also, this is an established show isn't it, they have sponsors. I wonder if Manion decided to cancel the show becasue he didn't see it being worth putting up the money for the prizes cause it was to close t possibly losing money and not covering the prize purse. Also, Shawn will have to do the calculations over for how much an IFBB pro could have made from the Toronto, Ny and his show. The numbers just went down.