Would you convert to Islam?

[Agnostic007]

do you know 1st John? he makes some pretty big statements

If you believe, that's cool... I would never want you to stop. I just find this discussion so interesting. And I appreciate how we can do this without any vitriol

[Agnostic007]

he was the disciple that wasn't murdered and he lived a very long time so....

DJ, the facts are... the author of 1st John was not a disciple, and it is impossible for him to have lived to 130. Very few historians and not many biblical scholars believe the books of the bible were written by the people listed in the bible. Moses for example wrote of his own death... so...

[Agnostic007]

Scholars have divided the book of Genesis into two distinct authors. One refers to God as Jehovah, the other as Yahweh. I'm telling you, the history of the bible, when you dig, is absolutely fascinating.

[dj181]

DJ, the facts are... the author of 1st John was not a disciple, and it is impossible for him to have lived to 130. Very few historians and not many biblical scholars believe the books of the bible were written by the people listed in the bible. Moses for example wrote of his own death... so...

do you know this scando theologin who believed all are saved?

i think he was from the 1800s

[Agnostic007]

do you know this scando theologin who believed all are saved?

i think he was from the 1800s

Not ringing a bell

[dj181]

Not ringing a bell

i dont remember his name but he was from scando and he believed this

would be cool if true

one of my pastors told me there are degrees in heaven and the more Godly you are in life the higher you go

found out later he was fucking a member of his church while married so he aint going to high

[Beefjake]

1st John was written between 95 and 110 AD imagine back then... life span.. what 40 50 years.. Someone is writing about a religious figure that existed 100 years ago... that's all I'm saying

Wasn’t it that the books of the Apostoles were written from 50 to 150years after the events the prescribe. But yes more than a lifetime back then.

And the church counsil of Nicea, like you mentioned. They decided what should be in the bible and what not.

Then there is translations.
Originally written in Greek, then transcripted to Latin… then…

[joswift]

i dont remember his name but he was from scando and he believed this

would be cool if true

one of my pastors told me there are degrees in heaven and the more Godly you are in life the higher you go

found out later he was fucking a member of his church while married so he aint going to high

talks like he has had several pastors.....
vicars can get married, its only catholic priests that cant.

Ever considered being a priest dj?
All those little alter boys tight ass holes?

[Van_Bilderass]

It's a minefield. Fortunately. very few, I would say 10% of USA Christians have actually read the bible cover to cover.

Oh it's not even a fraction of a percent who have read it cover to cover. Like you say it's just bits and pieces, not many people are such dedicated readers that they can pick up a tomb like that and start at the beginning and slave away for years. Trump certainly has not done it, if I'm not mistaken he's said reading books is a waste of time, but don't 100% quote me on that. Yes if a spaceship beamed down a book many more would read it, but the aliens would still have to prune it down. I was forced to read the bible a lot when I was a kid, which is why I know some paragraphs, but I knew only a freak or two who claimed they read it cover to cover.

I feel like if God is Love he's going be alright with good people who didn't believe, him torturing people for all eternity  But then others have said since God is perfect we can't question his motivations, we can't be that arrogant.

I listened to this indie track of a preacher a lot of times, just makes me feel bad in a way, I'll see if I can find it..

[edit] This was really eerie for me. Headphones:

https://open.spotify.com/track/0vyOKBpY21KgC7fXK3RXdd?si=xOxoBHXdQ66ePPmOLcN-NQ

[Goliathon]

Oh it's not even a fraction of a percent who have read it cover to cover. Like you say it's just bits and pieces, not many people are such dedicated readers that they can pick up a tomb like that and start at the beginning and slave away for years.

You're trying to turn this into some sort of "gotcha" moment it's not. Not needing to read the whole thing is a feature not a bug. Christianity isn't a checklist. It's one of the key features that prevents the religion from being hijacked by idiots.

Trump certainly has not done it, if I'm not mistaken he's said reading books is a waste of time, but don't 100% quote me on that. Yes if a spaceship beamed down a book many more would read it, but the aliens would still have to prune it down. I was forced to read the bible a lot when I was a kid, which is why I know some paragraphs, but I knew only a freak or two who claimed they read it cover to cover.

So it all boils down you had a bad experience, then we are all having bad experiences? Let's not have traffic signs and laws, because a corrupt traffic cop tried to bribe me?

Christianity doesn't mean the people around you don't suck. It's pretty much the point you can't get around the suckage of being human, it's part of our mortality and frailty. This isn't a deep concept this is a base concept within the religion.

I feel like if God is Love he's going be alright with good people who didn't believe, him torturing people for all eternity  But then others have said since God is perfect we can't question his motivations, we can't be that arrogant.

Yes a supreme being is above you in all things, you can question all you want, doesn't mean god owes you an answer. It's like a dog complaining it's unfair they can't rummage through your fridge.

I listened to this indie track of a preacher a lot of times, just makes me feel bad in a way, I'll see if I can find it..

[edit] This was really eerie for me. Headphones:

https://open.spotify.com/track/0vyOKBpY21KgC7fXK3RXdd?si=xOxoBHXdQ66ePPmOLcN-NQ

You think it's different for Christians? Believe it or not there's a lot of diversity within Christianity.

[Van_Bilderass]

You're trying to turn this into some sort of "gotcha" moment it's not. Not needing to read the whole thing is a feature not a bug. Christianity isn't a checklist. It's one of the key features that prevents the religion from being hijacked by idiots.

Yes a supreme being is above you in all things, you can question all you want, doesn't mean god owes you an answer. It's like a dog complaining it's unfair they can't rummage through your fridge.




You think it's different for Christians? Believe it or not there's a lot of diversity within Christianity.

I have a hard time following all your arguments, perhaps lowish IQ.
I didn't say you "should" read the bible cover to cover, just making a statement that I feel is fact.

There's a lot of diversity and flexibility in Christianity. What if I think the doctrine of hell has been misinterpreted, or the infallibility of God? Why not let me be flexible? What if I believe the universe is God, we are all part of God? What if I believe all the stories of supernatural things happening in the bible is allegorical and should be read in a mythopoetical way?

Maybe I missed it, are you a Christian, or are you some type of utilitarian who doesn't really believe in anything but like Christianity as it's practised today?

[illuminati]

You're trying to turn this into some sort of "gotcha" moment it's not. Not needing to read the whole thing is a feature not a bug. Christianity isn't a checklist. It's one of the key features that prevents the religion from being hijacked by idiots.


So it all boils down you had a bad experience, then we are all having bad experiences? Let's not have traffic signs and laws, because a corrupt traffic cop tried to bribe me?

Christianity doesn't mean the people around you don't suck. It's pretty much the point you can't get around the suckage of being human, it's part of our mortality and frailty. This isn't a deep concept this is a base concept within the religion.
Yes a supreme being is above you in all things, you can question all you want, doesn't mean god owes you an answer. It's like a dog complaining it's unfair they can't rummage through your fridge.




You think it's different for Christians? Believe it or not there's a lot of diversity within Christianity.

There is NO GOD

And IF  IF there is something it most certainly wont be anything
like the Fairy tale described in Religious books written by men.

[Goliathon]

I have a hard time following all your arguments, perhaps lowish IQ.
I didn't say you "should" read the bible cover to cover, just making a statement that I feel is fact.

There's a lot of diversity and flexibility in Christianity. What if I think the doctrine of hell has been misinterpreted, or the infallibility of God? Why not let me be flexible? What if I believe the universe is God, we are all part of God? What if I believe all the stories of supernatural things happening in the bible is allegorical and should be read in a mythopoetical way?

Maybe I missed it, are you a Christian, or are you some type of utilitarian who doesn't really believe in anything but like Christianity as it's practised today?

My minimum definition of God is the universe itself, not the 3d dimensional universe you learn in high school physics class, but the one described by the top end of physics.

My base assumption that I believe is that the laws of the universe define morality and a sense of cosmic good. Life is good, people who try to stomp it out are bad.

Beyond that I'm pretty open minded. I'm interested in all religions, but I think Christianity is by far the most thought out and least shallow. Being a believer isn't a short cut to stupidity you still need to use your rational mind and logic. A Christian who flat out denies evolution is just a liar and infected with the evil of self deception etc.

[Mothballs]

Are you saying we need to join the cult of Islam in order to beat our women back into submission and return to pre-woke anti LGBTQ days?

[beakdoctor]

Are you saying we need to join the cult of Islam in order to beat our women back into submission and return to pre-woke anti LGBTQ days?

Yes. Just a thought.

[Taffin]

This must be the most that Man of Steel has wanted to stage a comeback in YEARS!! 

[Never1AShow]

Are there any fiction novels about the US being taken over by Islam and having Sharia law instituted?  Seems like there’d be good interest.

[obsidian]

There are no creators, "designers", sky gods, or jujus up the Great Mountain. Pull your head out your ass.

Sorry, I was a bit of an asshole in my previous comment to you. I was in a pissed off mood unrelated to this discussion. You have a right to your opinion.

I don't know for a certainty if there is a Creator or not. Based on the evidence I see with the Universe and how it all came to be based on current human knowledge my thinking is it is more likely that a Creator was involved than not. I don't think Atheists can be for certain that there is not a Creator. Our knowledge is too limited to make that deduction. But that's just my opinion.

[obsidian]

I have met Muslims that are doctors, engineers, etc. And many live a healthy lifestyle. Their bloodwork will look better than a lot of people. Some have pretty clean diets. Yes, there are extreme Muslims that pose a threat to Western Society for sure. Seems to me though that the Western Leadership for the past few decades did the most damage to the West - of all groups.

[Zillotch]

lotta burners in this thread.. as usual.

any non vaxxed human may still have a chance, tho... God is real, and Christ is the only way - look into it... while u can.

[The Scott]

Islam demands submission.  The Nazarene?  He says choose. 

The profit hoMohammed was a pedo. Democrats love and support pedophilia/pedophiles or as they like to call it now "minor attracted people.

FUCK islime and all that support it including the democrat party of America.  islime allows bugger young boys and homosexuality.  Many mooslime men bugger each other rather than have sex with a woman outside of wedlock.

Cucks willingly submit to anything that degrades them and allows their perverted passions free range.  Hopefully the libs will all die from STDs contracted via their licentious activities.  I find nothing attractive about lesbianism too.  It too is gross to me.

Choose but choose wisely.  Or not.  It matters little to anyone other than each individual.  There is nothing wrong with the teaching of the Nazarene.  Dems DESPISE it because it goes against their carnal desires.  The cucks here and in the real world are NOT people of honor. They support perversion and despise Civilization.  They will gladly be subservient to sucking the scrotum of islime.

Just look at the face of Chuck Schumer.  Filled with deceit and dripping in filth.   Just like the cucks here.

[Van_Bilderass]

FUCK islime and all that support it including the democrat party of America.  islime allows bugger young boys and homosexuality.  Many mooslime men bugger each other rather than have sex with a woman outside of wedlock.

Actually Mulims have a lot of shame around nakedness. It's a problem here with indoor swimming pools where they'd rather shower in their underwear or use the sauna in their underwear which are both prohibited for hygienic reasons. When they shower they take great care to not expose themselves. Of course there are the homos, of which there are also many, but I doubt there is any understanding for homos in the Koran itself. They are to be put to death, just like it used to be in Christianity, but thank God Christianity has evolved here, don't you agree? There is also a huge reverence for mothers, fathers and and the elderly, which experts in the west feel is problematic as it leads to authoritarianism. But wasn't there in the bible a sign of the endtimes how children lost all respect and became rebellious?

If you were the President, would you suck up to the Saudis as everyone does today, including Trump or would you bomb the place?

[BigRo]

This must be the most that Man of Steel has wanted to stage a comeback in YEARS!! 

Where did that blob go to?

[BigRo]

lotta burners in this thread.. as usual.

any non vaxxed human may still have a chance, tho... God is real, and Christ is the only way - look into it... while u can.

Christ is not the only way, look in to it...while you can. Many consider themselves saved and right with Jesus. Have they had a shift in consciousness within themselves? No. And they would consider someone like myself a terrible sinner for saying the things I am saying now. Can they calm their mind and sit or walk in peaceful silence? No, but they consider themselves saved and have their illusory identity insurance bought and paid for entry of their illusory little self in to their illusory paradise after death.

[BigRo]

Actually Mulims have a lot of shame around nakedness. It's a problem here with indoor swimming pools where they'd rather shower in their underwear or use the sauna in their underwear which are both prohibited for hygienic reasons. When they shower they take great care to not expose themselves. Of course there are the homos, of which there are also many, but I doubt there is any understanding for homos in the Koran itself. They are to be put to death, just like it used to be in Christianity, but thank God Christianity has evolved here, don't you agree? There is also a huge reverence for mothers, fathers and and the elderly, which experts in the west feel is problematic as it leads to authoritarianism. But wasn't there in the bible a sign of the endtimes how children lost all respect and became rebellious?

If you were the President, would you suck up to the Saudis as everyone does today, including Trump or would you bomb the place?

I would not bomb the place but its a bit sickening to see the reverence those Sheiks get.