Dangers of Statin Drugs

[Rambone]

Bunch of statin-taking boomers in this bitch sheeeeeeiiiiiiitttttttt

[Donny]

I like Donny.

He posts good stuff about martial arts and training.

I was being sincere in my apology although it violated the Getbig Code of never apologizing.

and i like you ( no Homo)   

[loco]

Yes, keto is an extreme diet

Keto

1 serving of Fruit Loops is only 150 calories (before milk). You could eat them every meal and it would be a very low cal diet and you'd lose weight.

You wouldn't get fat though. Short term it could be a good weight loss diet.

Froot Loops
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[Van_Bilderass]

Bodybuilding related: seems like cereals like those fruit loops are very popular right now in the pros. Some blend them in their whey shakes after training with the insulin. If you "need" quick carbs, why not.

[Humble Narcissist]

Keto


Froot Loops
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I don't see why you are reposting this. Everything I said was true. You will lose weight eating like that. No one who can count calories denies this. There have been several university studies done confirming this AND the subjects blood pressure and cholesterol levels went down as a result of the weight loss. The one professor ate nothing but mint chocolate chip ice cream for a whole month.

[loco]

I don't see why you are reposting this. Everything I said was true. You will lose weight eating like that. No one who can count calories denies this. There have been several university studies done confirming this AND the subjects blood pressure and cholesterol levels went down as a result of the weight loss. The one professor ate nothing but mint chocolate chip ice cream for a whole month.

So the science-based, medically accepted keto therapy is extreme, but your Froot Loops only diet is "a good weight loss diet" and not extreme at all.

It's not all about calories and ideal body weight.  You can be at your ideal body weight and still be very metabolically unhealthy.

"In the United States, recent studies showed that the lean, normal weight diabetes is not rare especially among minority populations."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4434081/

"The prevalence of lean diabetes among the U.S. adult population is increasing"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36763508/

"Consumption of sugar is associated with obesity, type 2 diabetes mellitus, nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, and cardiovascular disease. The conversion of fructose to fat in liver (de novo lipogenesis [DNL]) may be a modifiable pathogenetic pathway. We determined the effect of 9 days of isocaloric fructose restriction on DNL, liver fat, visceral fat (VAT), subcutaneous fat, and insulin kinetics in obese Latino and African American children with habitual high sugar consumption (fructose intake >50 g/d).

Short-term (9 days) isocaloric fructose restriction decreased liver fat, VAT, and DNL, and improved insulin kinetics in children with obesity. These findings support efforts to reduce sugar consumption."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28579536/

"Of more than 50 clinical and biomarker risk factors examined, diabetes and lipoprotein insulin resistance had the highest relative risk, particularly for premature coronary heart disease"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7818181/

"In conclusion, an age-related disease developed in approximately one out of three healthy individuals who were in the upper tertile of insulin resistance at baseline, followed for an average of 6 yr. In contrast, no clinical event was seen in the most insulin-sensitive tertile. These data should serve as a strong stimulus for further efforts to define the role of insulin resistance in the genesis of age-related diseases."
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/86/8/3574/2848584

"Ketogenic diets improve insulin sensitivity through their irrefutable effects on fat and weight loss. Besides weight loss, KD produce direct insulin-sensitizing effects which are mostly due to the capacity of its restricted-digestible carbohydrates content to lower blood glucose and insulin levels. In addition, ketone bodies appear to be able to influence insulin signaling directly."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10385501/

[Donny]

regarding diet i have been for a fair while now on a "Mediterranean style  Diet" & just last week i was told i need more Iron & normally they see this with Vegetarians, which i am not but have been eating much more plant based foods & fish.
Just a random comment    so i need more meat

[IroNat]

regarding diet i have been for a fair while now on a "Mediterranean style  Diet" & just last week i was told i need more Iron & normally they see this with Vegetarians, which i am not but have been eating much more plant based foods & fish.
Just a random comment    so i need more meat

Who told you about needing more iron?

Did they specify Olympic or Standard plates?

Seriously though, was it your doctor?  Usually men shouldn't take iron supplements.

[Donny]

Who told you about needing more iron?

Did they specify Olympic or Standard plates?

Seriously though, was it your doctor?  Usually men shouldn't take iron supplements.

iron is important because..

About 70% of the iron in your body is found in hemoglobin, the protein in red blood cells that carries oxygen.

[Donny]

So i was told my Red blood cells are weaker, not critical but they take blood 1x a month so basically it can lead to problems but i feel ok.
If it happens i will take it like man, this is infact my only fear whimpering like a coward.
which i won´t. 

[Van_Bilderass]

I have low iron for some yet undiscovered reason, RBCs and Hemo are normal. I am to take a 100mg tab of iron sulphate a day. Perhaps steroids are the cause of these labs? The RBCs should be at least high normal with the roids, the steroids are probably keeping them normal despite low iron?

They will check for internal bleeding but I've had this low iron for years. I was told IV iron drip has been phased out for some reasonn so it's tabs now, which one doc said messes with your stomach.

[Donny]

I have low iron for some yet undiscovered reason, RBCs and Hemo are normal. I am to take a 100mg tab of iron sulphate a day. Perhaps steroids are the cause of these labs? The RBCs should be at least high normal with the roids, the steroids are probably keeping them normal despite low iron?

They will check for internal bleeding but I've had this low iron for years. I was told IV iron drip has been phased out for some reasonn so it's tabs now, which one doc said messes with your stomach.

yeah can be many things.. not too worried 

[dj181]

I don't see why you are reposting this. Everything I said was true. You will lose weight eating like that. No one who can count calories denies this. There have been several university studies done confirming this AND the subjects blood pressure and cholesterol levels went down as a result of the weight loss. The one professor ate nothing but mint chocolate chip ice cream for a whole month.

big paul agrees

calories in, calories out... "fuck yes! it's true!" -Big Paul

[loco]

LDL-C does not cause cardiovascular disease: a comprehensive review of the current literature

The hypothesis that high TC or LDL-C causes atherosclerosis and CVD has been shown to be false by numerous observations and experiments.

The fact that high LDL-C is beneficial in terms of overall lifespan has been ignored by researchers who support the lipid hypothesis.

The assertion that statin treatment is beneficial has been kept alive by individuals who have ignored the results from trials with negative outcomes and by using deceptive statistics.

That statin treatment has many serious side effects has been minimized by individuals who have used a misleading trial design and have ignored reports from independent researchers.

That high LDL-C is the cause of CVD in FH is questionable because LDL-C does not differ between untreated FH individuals with and without CVD.

Millions of people all over the world, including many with no history of heart disease, are taking statins, and PCSK-9 inhibitors to lower LDL-C further are now being promoted, despite unproven benefits and serious side effects.

We suggest that clinicians should abandon the use of statins and PCSK-9 inhibitors and instead identify and target the actual causes of CVD.

The idea that high cholesterol levels in the blood are the main cause of CVD is impossible because people with low levels become just as atherosclerotic as people with high levels and their risk of suffering from CVD is the same or higher. The cholesterol hypothesis has been kept alive for decades by reviewers who have used misleading statistics, excluded the results from unsuccessful trials and ignored numerous contradictory observations.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17512433.2018.1519391

[IroNat]

LDL-C does not cause cardiovascular disease: a comprehensive review of the current literature

The hypothesis that high TC or LDL-C causes atherosclerosis and CVD has been mshown to be false by numerous observations and experiments.

The fact that high LDL-C is beneficial in terms of overall lifespan has been ignored by researchers who support the lipid hypothesis.

The assertion that statin treatment is beneficial has been kept alive by individuals who have ignored the results from trials with negative outcomes and by using deceptive statistics.

That statin treatment has many serious side effects has been minimized by individuals who have used a misleading trial design and have ignored reports from independent researchers.

That high LDL-C is the cause of CVD in FH is questionable because LDL-C does not differ between untreated FH individuals with and without CVD.

Millions of people all over the world, including many with no history of heart disease, are taking statins, and PCSK-9 inhibitors to lower LDL-C further are now being promoted, despite unproven benefits and serious side effects.

We suggest that clinicians should abandon the use of statins and PCSK-9 inhibitors and instead identify and target the actual causes of CVD.

The idea that high cholesterol levels in the blood are the main cause of CVD is impossible because people with low levels become just as atherosclerotic as people with high levels and their risk of suffering from CVD is the same or higher. The cholesterol hypothesis has been kept alive for decades by reviewers who have used misleading statistics, excluded the results from unsuccessful trials and ignored numerous contradictory observations.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17512433.2018.1519391

Thanks!

All should read.

[wes]

big paul agrees

calories in, calories out... "fuck yes! it's true!" -Big Paul

[Super Nattie]

Bodybuilding related: seems like cereals like those fruit loops are very popular right now in the pros. Some blend them in their whey shakes after training with the insulin. If you "need" quick carbs, why not.

I use to do that, loved my frosties, I use Raw Honey now, has added added health benefits. Must be from a trusted source i.e a local beekeeper and not the adulterated super market, rice syrup crap  ->

[Super Nattie]

[Humble Narcissist]

^^^ He looks pretty strong.

[Super Nattie]

^^^ He looks pretty strong.

Solid advice though. Being insulin resistant is the root cause of a lot of peoples health problems.  Athritis, dementia, diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure can often be traced back to having poor insulin sensitivity

insulin resistance > inflammation > wacky lipid profiles

A lot of people are pre diabetic , they don’t even know it.

[loco]

Solid advice though. Being insulin resistant is the root cause of a lot of peoples health problems.  Athritis, dementia, diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure can often be traced back to having poor insulin sensitivity

insulin resistance > inflammation > wacky lipid profiles

A lot of people are pre diabetic , they don’t even know it.

Super Nattie ain't lying.

[IroNat]

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I use to do that, loved my frosties, I use Raw Honey now, has added added health benefits. Must be from a trusted source i.e a local beekeeper and not the adulterated super market, rice syrup crap  ->

Honey is just sugar.

It's mainly fructose which is not healthy to eat.

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[Van_Bilderass]

I use to do that, loved my frosties, I use Raw Honey now, has added added health benefits. Must be from a trusted source i.e a local beekeeper and not the adulterated super market, rice syrup crap  ->

I don't know about the purported health benefits but I was thinking of non-liquid post workout carbs, if you're in a phase where that's important. Honey on rice cakes might be great, even ideal I checked yesterday, it's like 35% fructose, same glucose, a little sucrose, but fructose is beneficial to recover from something physical since replenishing liver sugar is important for a reason I forget.

I think I might go on a near zero fructose diet for a while, just to see what happens. I have always eaten enormous amounts of sugar (fuck me, lazy swine). Maybe I can get the gut to shrink because it's big yet there's not that much actual fat you can pinch.

[Donny]

I don't know about the purported health benefits but I was thinking of non-liquid post workout carbs, if you're in a phase where that's important. Honey on rice cakes might be great, even ideal I checked yesterday, it's like 35% fructose, same glucose, a little sucrose, but fructose is beneficial to recover from something physical since replenishing liver sugar is important for a reason I forget.

I think I might go on a near zero fructose diet for a while, just to see what happens. I have always eaten enormous amounts of sugar (fuck me, lazy swine). Maybe I can get the gut to shrink because it's big yet there's not that much actual fat you can pinch.

What are the benefits of honey?

As discussed before, the main benefits of eating honey in moderation may include:

blood pressure management
cholesterol management
wound healing when used topically
cough suppression
polyphenol content, which is thought to aid in digestion and have other health benefits
antioxidant content, which fights free radicals

https://honeyngreens.co.uk/blogs/news/how-raw-honey-improves-gym-workout-performance-and-endurance?srsltid=AfmBOorgSi2qSAq3JoiD0MRF46xQfcHnBI7It4Uf1UqG9tOGjuQ2BKMA

[IroNat]

What are the benefits of honey?

As discussed before, the main benefits of eating honey in moderation may include:

blood pressure management
cholesterol management
wound healing when used topically
cough suppression
polyphenol content, which is thought to aid in digestion and have other health benefits
antioxidant content, which fights free radicals

https://honeyngreens.co.uk/blogs/news/how-raw-honey-improves-gym-workout-performance-and-endurance?srsltid=AfmBOorgSi2qSAq3JoiD0MRF46xQfcHnBI7It4Uf1UqG9tOGjuQ2BKMA

It's just sugar, bro-Donnie.