Hormones and intense excercise builds muscle

[bhank]

Or maybe your stomach issues make you not have much uptake through the stomach? Why would so many testify to its "opiate like effects" orherwise?

But actually not much reason for you to respond, I know you won't change your mind, me either.

Again I am 1k percent certain. Drs put me on opiates at 17 years old. I have had so many injuries and surgeries. I know an opiate. I have passed on tramadol and kratom a million times. I have never ever turned down and opiate not once. They are not opiates. I wish they were I would drive to the head shop right now and fill the car with Kratom if only it were so easy.

[Krankenstein]

Again I am 1k percent certain. Drs put me on opiates at 17 years old. I have had so many injuries and surgeries. I know an opiate. I have passed on tramadol and kratom a million times. I have never ever turned down and opiate not once. They are not opiates. I wish they were I would drive to the head shop right now and fill the car with Kratom if only it were so easy.

Spoken like a true addict

With all this black and fucking white proof that Tramadol is considered an opioid....yet you still want to die on that sword.  Wow...just wow.   Ask Em if it is an opioid.   She works in the field (so to speak).

Taking this a step further....you do NOT consider your bio-identical shit a drug...and not performance enhancing.   With that in mind, why do you not argue with SCN officials and sign up for the tested events if you feel that strongly?

You rely on drugs and substances for EVERYTHING you weak ass bitch....plain and simple.

[IroNat]

Spoken like a true addict

With all this black and fucking white proof that Tramadol is considered an opioid....yet you still want to die on that sword.  Wow...just wow.   Ask Em if it is an opioid.   She works in the field (so to speak).

Taking this a step further....you do NOT consider your bio-identical shit a drug...and not performance enhancing.   With that in mind, why do you not argue with SCN officials and sign up for the tested events if you feel that strongly?

You rely on drugs and substances for EVERYTHING you weak ass bitch....plain and simple.

[Van_Bilderass]

Again I am 1k percent certain. Drs put me on opiates at 17 years old. I have had so many injuries and surgeries. I know an opiate. I have passed on tramadol and kratom a million times. I have never ever turned down and opiate not once. They are not opiates. I wish they were I would drive to the head shop right now and fill the car with Kratom if only it were so easy.

Why anyone would turn down Tramadol beats me But actually there could be reasons, like one has a seizure disorder, it doesn't go well with other medication, or if for some reason one just doesn't like the type of buzz, maybe too stimulating or whatever. BUT it is one potent drug but I was pushing dose as well, 200-300mg in the morning. At night I was having issues, visual effects and this buzzing type feel like bees in my brain lol. But so magnificent for improving mood, especially in the morning. I would take phenibut and DMAA (do not recommend for safety reasons) with it sometimes and in 20 mins I just laid on the bed and had these waves of euphoria hitting me, seemed to originate from my feet and up lol

[IroNat]

You are quite the drug addict, Van.

Is life really that difficult for you?

[Lartinos]

Come on man 

The research says it is and users say it is and people get very very addicted to it and a VERY abused drug in some countris like here in Sweden. After just a couple of days you can get some physical dependence, give some previously opioid or opiate addicted Tram and most will have rebound withdrawals after just one single dose, because they are susceptible to it having been addicted to opioids. In countries like Egypt the sentences  for Tram are VERY stiif, because many laborers are addicted to it.

Have you tried tianeptine, a nonclassed (I think) antidepressant? Very definite opioid effect when dose at about 100mg.

Kratom is definitely an opioid, lots of people addicted. Some may not get much of an effect, I speculate because they don't get much uptake through the stomach. Again why are so many previously opiate addicts say they get relief from it, and why do they get withdrawals when stopping even after one or a few doses? Previously addicted are much more likely to experience rebound effects after even one dose, both from Tram and Kratom (same with alcohol, benzos etc). I've been on it for several months now and feel the rebound effects 12 hours after dosing so I take it twice daily, if not I have trouble sleeping and some anxiety.

I’ve heard a lot of horror stories about that stuff.

I’m warning you Bhank’s don’t f*ck with it..

[wes]

After fucking up my life for a few decades I have to say that I feel good reading this bullshit from Hanky cuz it makes me feel great to be clean and sober.

He would never turn down an opiate   WTF

Dude`s a stone cold junkie or a junkie in the making......meanwhile I`m grinding it out, eating good, in preparation to win my pro-card at 70 looking younger than Brian does right now,today,this very minute....that`s what counts right Brian?

[ThisisOverload]

Again I am 1k percent certain. Drs put me on opiates at 17 years old. I have had so many injuries and surgeries. I know an opiate. I have passed on tramadol and kratom a million times. I have never ever turned down and opiate not once. They are not opiates. I wish they were I would drive to the head shop right now and fill the car with Kratom if only it were so easy.

You are a drug addict with more experience than most normal people.

And you are playing games with words because you are a narcissistic retard.

But you can absolutely fail a drug test for Tram or Kratom depending on the test they administer.

And you know this for a fact, but you are too much of a child to admit it.

[joswift]

Spoken like a true addict

With all this black and fucking white proof that Tramadol is considered an opioid....yet you still want to die on that sword.  Wow...just wow.   Ask Em if it is an opioid.   She works in the field (so to speak).

Taking this a step further....you do NOT consider your bio-identical shit a drug...and not performance enhancing.   With that in mind, why do you not argue with SCN officials and sign up for the tested events if you feel that strongly?

You rely on drugs and substances for EVERYTHING you weak ass bitch....plain and simple.

are you suggesting shes a scarecrow?

[Never1AShow]

I have not had a pain killer in over a year however I have had 7 orthopedic surgeries I have been prescribed opioids for decades I know what is an opioid and what is not and tramadol is absolutely not

I give him credit, he had a hernia operation in the last year (August?) and apparently took no pain killers.

[Never1AShow]

are you suggesting shes a scarecrow?

Hahahhahahhahahhahahahaa

[bhank]

After fucking up my life for a few decades I have to say that I feel good reading this bullshit from Hanky cuz it makes me feel great to be clean and sober.

He would never turn down an opiate   WTF

Dude`s a stone cold junkie or a junkie in the making......meanwhile I`m grinding it out, eating good, in preparation to win my pro-card at 70 looking younger than Brian does right now,today,this very minute....that`s what counts right Brian?

I am in stage ready condition today. I would never turn down an opiate because I have chronic pain. I also use them with restraint. I do not like to feel sick or high or nausuea I like to not feel my lower back pain. I will take one painkiller before training back or legs not crush up 5 and snort them.  But I also dont hang out with drug addicts and dealers. I have not had an opiate since last summer when prescribed.

[falco]

After fucking up my life for a few decades I have to say that I feel good reading this bullshit from Hanky cuz it makes me feel great to be clean and sober.

He would never turn down an opiate   WTF

Dude`s a stone cold junkie or a junkie in the making......meanwhile I`m grinding it out, eating good, in preparation to win my pro-card at 70 looking younger than Brian does right now,today,this very minute....that`s what counts right Brian?

Bhanks would give ESfitness a run for his money.

[bhank]

You are a drug addict with more experience than most normal people.

And you are playing games with words because you are a narcissistic retard.

But you can absolutely fail a drug test for Tram or Kratom depending on the test they administer.

And you know this for a fact, but you are too much of a child to admit it.

Are you daft? you can take as much of kratom as you can get your hands on it will absolutely not register as an opiate on a drug test. You are wrong. Tramadol will also not register as an opiate on a drug screen either. Thank you because you have proven my point they are not opiates.

[bhank]

I’ve heard a lot of horror stories about that stuff.

I’m warning you Bhank’s don’t f*ck with it..

I have tried tramadol it does absolutely nothing for me at any dosage don't like it won't take it again

[Van_Bilderass]

I am in stage ready condition today. I would never turn down an opiate because I have chronic pain. I also use them with restraint. I do not like to feel sick or high or nausuea I like to not feel my lower back pain. I will take one painkiller before training back or legs not crush up 5 and snort them.  But I also dont hang out with drug addicts and dealers. I have not had an opiate since last summer when prescribed.

What effect does weed have on your pain ?? IME, and some others, it can actually affect how pain "reverberates" increasing pain or emotional processing of that pain or any pain like in emotional pain, trauma etc. But I know many also say it decreases pain in a big way. Opiates and opioids decrease the sensation of pain numbing you emotionally, unlike weed. Some say they don't decrease pain exactly, just the "caring" about it so to say. Many specialists say opiates shouldn't be used in back pain, especially long term as they also increase pain eventually, actually sensitizing your pain receptors. I was looking at treatments for back pain, something affectin me right now in a big way, not lower back but up between my shoulders, possible hernia, waiting for a xray appointment right now. Docs were discouraging me about xrays or MRIs because "we actually don't, and can't, do much wrt to back pain, except surgery in some cases but they will most likely not operate on you anyway."

[bhank]

What effect does weed have on your pain ?? IME, and some others, it can actually affect how pain "reverberates" increasing pain or emotional processing of that pain or any pain like in emotional pain, trauma etc. But I know many also say it decreases pain in a big way. Opiates and opioids decrease the sensation of pain numbing you emotionally, unlike weed. Some say they don't decrease pain exactly, just the "caring" about it so to say. Many specialists say opiates shouldn't be used in back pain, especially long term as they also increase pain eventually, actually sensitizing your pain receptors. I was looking at treatments for back pain, something affectin me right now in a big way, not lower back but up between my shoulders, possible hernia, waiting for a xray appointment right now. Docs were discouraging me about xrays or MRIs because "we actually don't, and can't, do much wrt to back pain, except surgery in some cases but they will most likely not operate on you anyway."

As far as I am concerned opiates are the only real painkillers everything else is bullshit. Do they stop the pain no they mask it.

As far as marijuana it is not a painkiller. However it is an anti inflammatory just like advil not a painkiller either but can help with headaches and such due to its anti-inflammatory properties. I use cannabis primarily for my stomach and digestion issues not pain management. I use ice and heat for pain management for example I have a suana a cold pool, ice packs, jacuzzi and heating pads. I use a combination of those daily. I am not taking any pills or medicines for pain.


Taking the weight off the back helps that is why I will go to my pool and just stand it in for an hour or I will use a donut float and hang my arms over the sides kind of like inversion therapy but with a pool. The idea being my weight of my legs dangling stretches out the vertebrae. When the back get tight I lay down or take  a jacuzzi or go to the pool or suana but I don't just do nothign and let it get worse

[Van_Bilderass]

As far as I am concerned opiates are the only real painkillers everything else is bullshit. Do they stop the pain no they mask it.

As far as marijuana it is not a painkiller. However it is an anti inflammatory just like advil not a painkiller either but can help with headaches and such due to its anti-inflammatory properties. I use cannabis primarily for my stomach and digestion issues not pain management. I use ice and heat for pain management for example I have a suana a cold pool, ice packs, jacuzzi and heating pads. I use a combination of those daily. I am not taking any pills or medicines for pain.


Taking the weight off the back helps that is why I will go to my pool and just stand it in for an hour or I will use a donut float and hang my arms over the sides kind of like inversion therapy but with a pool. The idea being my weight of my legs dangling stretches out the vertebrae. When the back get tight I lay down or take  a jacuzzi or go to the pool or suana but I don't just do nothign and let it get worse

I'm using a lot of antioxidants post workout now that I'm training harder and and fish oil, sometimes weed etc.
I will take vitamin C, tart cherry, taurine etc post workout, all these have been shown to reduce DOMS. As you know antiinflammatories have also been shown to actually decreas exercise adaptation which should be bad but there is inflammation that becomes too much, limits workout recovery and training frequency. Cold showers and plunges have been shown to sometimes be detrimental too, but damn it feels good especially postworkout.

[bhank]

I'm using a lot of antioxidants post workout now that I'm training harder and and fish oil, sometimes weed etc.
I will take vitamin C, tart cherry, taurine etc post workout, all these have been shown to reduce DOMS. As you know antiinflammatories have also been shown to actually decreas exercise adaptation which should be bad but there is inflammation that becomes too much, limits workout recovery and training frequency. Cold showers and plunges have been shown to sometimes be detrimental too, but damn it feels good especially postworkout.

yes I have heard people say you need inflammation for growth and you should not reduce it with NSAID. I do not take NSAID.  but I also don't think I need inflammation in my lower back or knees for growth. You need mobility to train and you don't have it when you have inflammation and stiffness. That is why a small workout for movement is better than nothing If I don't wait long enough to recover I am still stiff from last workout. However if I wait too long I get stiffer there is a narrow window when I am good again and it is around a week. The day I feel good I train as I may feel stiff if I wait longer.

HGH will also cause fluid retention which helps a lot with arthritis. Even increasing sodium to get a little more retention can help. When in doubt cocoon for the win.  If you are feeling beat up take some day time naps take a couple days off increase your sodium and calories.

[wes]

I am in stage ready condition today. I would never turn down an opiate because I have chronic pain. I also use them with restraint. I do not like to feel sick or high or nausuea I like to not feel my lower back pain. I will take one painkiller before training back or legs not crush up 5 and snort them.  But I also dont hang out with drug addicts and dealers. I have not had an opiate since last summer when prescribed.

I knew....key word being knew,a lot of opiate junkies that sounded,key word being sounded,just like you do.

You can shoot a bag of dope in my honor when I win my pro-card. 

[bhank]

I knew....key word being knew a lot of opiate junkies that sounded,key word being sounded.....just like you do.

You can shoot a bag of dope in my honor when I win my pro-card. 

Lol I would like 1-2 painkillers that is it. I do not shoot dope. However if given a bottle of nubain I could probably run through a ninja warrior course in half the time

[wes]

Lol I would like 1-2 painkillers that is it. I do not shoot dope. However if given a bottle of nubain I could probably run through a ninja warrior course in half the time

You`re not a very smart person after all,not that you haven`t proved that on many occasions, but now you're just being plain old fucking stupid.

Have fun in your next drug induced stupor.....in the meantime,in between time,I`ll be training like a demon and eating like a Spartan.

[joswift]

As far as I am concerned opiates are the only real painkillers everything else is bullshit. Do they stop the pain no they mask it.

thats probably the stupidest thing you have ever written
If its masked it means you cant feel it , if you cant feel it then its stopped.

I think you mean pain killers mask but don't cure.
At least I hope that's what you meant

[bhank]

You`re not a very smart person after all,not that you haven`t proved that on many occasions, but now you're just being plain old fucking stupid.

Have fun in your next drug induced stupor.....in the meantime,in between time,I`ll be training like a demon and eating like a Spartan.

I have not been in a drug induced stupor since a phish show in college 25 years ago. I have not had a pain killer since last July when prescribed. I don't even drink. I limit myself to one caffeinated beverage a day.  I quit marijuana years ago and only use legal cannabis products which are nowhere near as strong. I also gave up real bacon and sausage in the mornings for turkey bacon and hashbrowns, and I switched from Ribeye to New York as I am reducing my animal fat consumption. I am contest ready now.

[bhank]

thats probably the stupidest thing you have ever written
If its masked it means you cant feel it , if you cant feel it then its stopped.

I think you mean pain killers mask but don't cure.
At least I hope that's what you meant

A nerve block would stop the pain without curing the underlying issue. A pain killer numbs the pain without curing the underlying issue. You can still feel pain on opioids it is just more manageable.