Vince Gironda was a genius and an asshole, he is the GOAT Trainer

[GymnJuice]

Yes, those round shiny things. I had two commercially available DVDs with the exercises on them.

DAS

DVDs?

[SAF]

DVDs?

Yes, this was over 20 years ago.

DAS

[Donny]

Not sure if people nowadays would attempt this 
also i always read that Gironda didn´t approve of a thicker waist but believed in say his "Frog sit ups"
Indeed he always talked of a V-Taper but of course only Steve reeves really got what i would call a max Taper...but Gironda did develop great lats for his frame even if he did some weird stuff like "Racing Dive" pull ins.

On the abs i never agreed with his no sit ups policy either as i remember a guy i knew just did old school incline slant board sit ups, twisting (was in ´87) in the British army & we only had 1 universal machine)
he had outstanding abs & our diet wasn´t great either as we were on an operational tour so had to eat the food given.
Genetics determin your physique in most cases not exercises.

[karasan]

Not sure if people nowadays would attempt this 
also i always read that Gironda didn´t approve of a thicker waist but believed in say his "Frog sit ups"
Indeed he always talked of a V-Taper but of course only Steve reeves really got what i would call a max Taper...but Gironda did develop great lats for his frame even if he did some weird stuff like "Racing Dive" pull ins.

On the abs i never agreed with his no sit ups policy either as i remember a guy i knew just did old school incline slant board sit ups, twisting (was in ´87) in the British army & we only had 1 universal machine)
he had outstanding abs & our diet wasn´t great either as we were on an operational tour so had to eat the food given.
Genetics determin your physique in most cases not exercises.

Gironda had tremendous taper, he had broad square shoulders on his slim frame.
Don Howorth had even better taper then mr everything.
I really think iron guru knew something about how to acquire great taper and helped many on that quest.

[SAF]

I really think iron guru knew something about how to acquire great taper and helped many on that quest.

That hits the nail on the head. How you'll ultimately look will be governed mostly by genetics, but Gironda would get people thinking along the lines of shape and proportion. Most don't think about that -- then and now -- but he was basically about "looking good."

As I said in an earlier post, Zane never really got any bigger after the 1960s -- but he looked a lot better in the late 1970s. He was probably the epitome of concerning himself with shape and proportions.

DAS

[keanu]

Yes & he went out of business, truth be be told he probably didn´t have what it takes to run a large Gym or multiple Gyms anyway.

Also where were all his big movie stars when he hit rock bottom?

   Vince had no business sense but he could have kept going. He didn't turn to Vodka after, he always drank, and smoked a little as well. Two big things happened. His son Guy, a trainer at the gym got sick, and he was getting old. So he stopped caring. He's helped millions of guys in the world, myself included.

[SAF]

   Vince had no business sense but he could have kept going. He didn't turn to Vodka after, he always drank, and smoked a little as well. Two big things happened. His son Guy, a trainer at the gym got sick, and he was getting old. So he stopped caring. He's helped millions of guys in the world, myself included.

Hard to blame someone for getting old. People always said he had no business sense, but I understand he owned that building (till he was unwisely convinced to sell it) and he did run the place for 50 years. Most gyms don't last that long.

DAS

[Humble Narcissist]

That hits the nail on the head. How you'll ultimately look will be governed mostly by genetics, but Gironda would get people thinking along the lines of shape and proportion. Most don't think about that -- then and now -- but he was basically about "looking good."

As I said in an earlier post, Zane never really got any bigger after the 1960s -- but he looked a lot better in the late 1970s. He was probably the epitome of concerning himself with shape and proportions.

DAS

Much better strategy than permabulking.

[Donny]

   Vince had no business sense but he could have kept going. He didn't turn to Vodka after, he always drank, and smoked a little as well. Two big things happened. His son Guy, a trainer at the gym got sick, and he was getting old. So he stopped caring. He's helped millions of guys in the world, myself included.

OK then Bob Kennedy was a liar 

[SAF]

OK then Bob Kennedy was a liar 

You can just read the desperation in your posts -- you really want to be heard and taken seriously. You appear to only have a vague knowledge of many things, though. However, you are nearing 20,000 posts here, so that's something.

If you want to find out about how MuscleMag operated back in the day, look up the lawsuits that went on regarding MuscleMag and MuscleTech and what was said in court records about truthfulness of what went on in its pages.

Also, maybe this is news to you -- but bodybuilding magazines aren't really "news coverage."

DAS

[Donny]

You can just read the desperation in your posts -- you really want to be heard and taken seriously. You appear to only have a vague knowledge of many things, though. However, you are nearing 20,000 posts here, so that's something.

If you want to find out about how MuscleMag operated back in the day, look up the lawsuits that went on regarding MuscleMag and MuscleTech and what was said in court records about truthfulness of what went on in its pages.

Also, maybe this is news to you -- but bodybuilding magazines aren't really "news coverage."

DAS

Last reply to you as you´re obviously a Troll.
Bob Kennedy i spoke to twice & you should know if you trained (3 full days at Vince´s Gym )  that he & Vince were pretty close at least at one time.
Bob Kennedy came over as a very honest guy to me, why should anyone believe someone on getbig called "DAS"

[SAF]

Last reply to you as you´re obviously a Troll.
Bob Kennedy i spoke to twice & you should know if you trained (3 full days at Vince´s Gym )  that he & Vince were pretty close at least at one time.
Bob Kennedy came over as a very honest guy to me, why should anyone believe someone on getbig called "DAS"

I don't know if you finished high school or your mother only lets you on the Internet at certain times, but like I said, do some research on the MuscleMag/MuscleTech lawsuits. Too difficult to use the search engines? Ok, let me help you... https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/muscle-magazines-battle-in-court/article1024917/

And, yes, I have a 60-minute video interview with Kennedy telling me exactly that. It was to go into a third DVD that never got produced. I also have a John Balik video interview on Vince, too -- and he actually knew Vince much better. But I realize you might not even know who John Balik is -- but maybe you'll be able to work the search engines in your favor.

DAS

[IroNat]

Didn't Vince also have a barbershop/hair styling business above the gym?

Am I mistaken or is that right?

[SAF]

Didn't Vince also have a barbershop/hair styling business above the gym?

Am I mistaken or is that right?

There was an "apartment" of sorts above the gym. Perhaps someone ran a hair thing out of there at some time, I don't know. One of the people who trained their regularly might know. I also know people lived there from time to time. When I visited, because of zoning issues, the toilet in the back of the gym in the change room was taken out because the wall positions had to be changed. So we had to use the toilet upstairs -- but no one was there at that time.

DAS

[IroNat]

There was an "apartment" of sorts above the gym. Perhaps someone ran a hair thing out of there at some time, I don't know. One of the people who trained their regularly might know. I also know people lived there from time to time. When I visited, because of zoning issues, the toilet in the back of the gym in the change room was taken out because the wall positions had to be changed. So we had to use the toilet upstairs -- but no one was there at that time.

DAS

I thought Vince had a hair biz too.
Seems like I saw a sign in an old photo of the gym.

I looked pics of the exterior and I am mistaken about it.

[SweetDaddySiki]

Didn't Vince also have a barbershop/hair styling business above the gym?

Am I mistaken or is that right?

I wonder if Vince was against certain hair styles or hair cutting equpment a la`his disagreements on squats and flat bench presses.   

"Men shouldn't wear crew cuts because they look militaristic!" or "Number 3 guards in razors should be banned!"

[Wiggs]

I wonder if Vince was against certain hair styles or hair cutting equpment a la`his disagreements on squats and flat bench presses.   

"Men shouldn't wear crew cuts because they look militaristic!" or "Number 3 guards in razors should be banned!"

Lol!

[a_pupil]

Ha, true! It's been almost 30 years! Imagine that -- and people are still asking.

Doug

You know the "sport"'s in a good place when Gironda, 1980 olympia, and the golden era in general are more interesting topics than the current olympia competitors.

[Humble Narcissist]

You know the "sport"'s in a good place when Gironda, 1980 olympia, and the golden era in general are more interesting topics than the current olympia competitors.

Good point. Imagine the most interesting subjects sports media talked about was 1970's NFL.

[a_pupil]

Good point. Imagine the most interesting subjects sports media talked about was 1970's NFL.

And the Basille equivalent rambling about measuring Wilt Chamberlain's cock in 1965 and being underwhelmed

[Humble Narcissist]

And the Basille equivalent rambling about measuring Wilt Chamberlain's cock in 1965 and being underwhelmed

Gironda wasn't smart enough to build a bicep supinator machine.