Hair safe cutting cycle recommendation?

[steve1]

TIA.  Lurked here for a while but finally have a real question.

Started min/fin about 5 years ago when noticing some thinning, all regrew and haven't lost since.

Have been cruising on trt for 3 years.  Have done a few heavier dose cycles, 400mg per week with 200mg deca & anavar and never had hair issues.

Wanting to try a test/mast/primo cycle, but a little nervous on the mast since its dht based.  I know it can't be 100% answered, but do you think if running 250test c, 100 primo, 100 mast per week is a safe cutting cycle (safe for hair that is)?

Also, does the finasteride basically ruin the mast anyways since its countering the DHT or is that OK?

[Hulkotron]

Where do you stand on the bhanks question?

[joswift]

reduced calories....

[Van_Bilderass]

I would perhaps look into taking minox orally. Haven't done it myself but from what I've read it seems interesting.

Regarding the gear, I haven't read up on the safest wrt hair, but have noted that the opinions are all over the place.

Just one point: Mast is a DHT derivative. It does not necessarily mean it will behave exactly like DHT! That seems like common sense to me, right?

Why not just run what you did before? "Water" isn't a problem if you are very lean.
What you dud before was imo much more effective that what you're proposing. Then just run "hardeners" a couple of weeks before you wan't to look your best, if at all. Like just drop everything and do 2 weeks of Winstrol and Mast, the test will keep working for like 3 weeks anyway. That kind of thing.

Finasteride doesn't inactivate the Mast, it isn't a blocker to my knowledge, it just reduced DHT from test.

JMO 

[Royalty]

TIA.  Lurked here for a while but finally have a real question.

Started min/fin about 5 years ago when noticing some thinning, all regrew and haven't lost since.

Have been cruising on trt for 3 years.  Have done a few heavier dose cycles, 400mg per week with 200mg deca & anavar and never had hair issues.

Wanting to try a test/mast/primo cycle, but a little nervous on the mast since its dht based.  I know it can't be 100% answered, but do you think if running 250test c, 100 primo, 100 mast per week is a safe cutting cycle (safe for hair that is)?

Also, does the finasteride basically ruin the mast anyways since its countering the DHT or is that OK?

Hi Danimal77

[IroNat]

I thought this thread was about when it's best to cut your hair.

[Tom]

I finally started TRT (the cream) 3 weeks ago today, 200 mg a week, Quite Frankly don't feel anything different yet.. My TEST was bordering on the low scale (300 overall and only 55 "free" test)...The clinic also prescribed me 25 mg of DHEA a day, Nitric Oxide and B12 (for my low energy)... Anyway at my age 59 (!), I'm wondering what else can I take along with all of this?

Do I need to another route to acquire MORE TEST or other "special supplements"?...

Currently i'm 5'10 around 235 and too much body fat hovering around 20 -22%...

thanks in advance for all serious replies!..

[Dave D]

I thought this thread was about when it's best to cut your hair.

Agreed.

Realistically the only time you should cut your hair is for professional photo shoots, military enlistment and/or high society business functions where longer unkempt hair is frowned upon. Otherwise a haircut is not needed.

Great question by danimal77. Please update us with bodybuilding weights and heights at your earliest convenience.

[IroNat]

I finally started TRT (the cream) 3 weeks ago today, 200 mg a week, Quite Frankly don't feel anything different yet.. My TEST was bordering on the low scale (300 overall and only 55 "free" test)...The clinic also prescribed me 25 mg of DHEA a day, Nitric Oxide and B12 (for my low energy)... Anyway at my age 59 (!), I'm wondering what else can I take along with all of this?

Do I need to another route to acquire MORE TEST or other "special supplements"?...

Currently i'm 5'10 around 235 and too much body fat hovering around 20 -22%...

thanks in advance for all serious replies!..

Being overweight lowers your natural test levels and increases estrogen.

So, drop the weight.  You should be around 190 at the most.

If you do that you probably won't need TRT.

You are way too heavy for your height.  Are you extremely muscular with good definition?

If not then you're bodyfat % is much higher than 20-22%.

Being overweight reduces life expectancy and increases your chances for metabolic syndromes like diabetes, hypertension, heart conditions, joint problems, and other things.

Taking TRT will reduce your nat test production to practically zero which is not good.

To drop the weight, cut out all processed foods and sugars, reduce your carbs.  Lift weights to maintain muscle mass.

[dj181]

I finally started TRT (the cream) 3 weeks ago today, 200 mg a week, Quite Frankly don't feel anything different yet.. My TEST was bordering on the low scale (300 overall and only 55 "free" test)...The clinic also prescribed me 25 mg of DHEA a day, Nitric Oxide and B12 (for my low energy)... Anyway at my age 59 (!), I'm wondering what else can I take along with all of this?

Do I need to another route to acquire MORE TEST or other "special supplements"?...

Currently i'm 5'10 around 235 and too much body fat hovering around 20 -22%...

thanks in advance for all serious replies!..

So they gave you 200 mgs a week for trt?

If they did and they test you total and free test range it's like 99% certain you will be out of range, so will they do a follow up blood test?

Out of range is a total test level of 850-900, 900+ is out of range and on 200 weekly you will be out of range

True real and actual trt is usually round 100-125 weekly

[BigRo]

Being overweight lowers your natural test levels and increases estrogen.

So, drop the weight.  You should be around 190 at the most.

If you do that you probably won't need TRT.

You are way too heavy for your height.  Are you extremely muscular with good definition?

If not then you're bodyfat % is much higher than 20-22%.

Being overweight reduces life expectancy and increases your chances for metabolic syndromes like diabetes, hypertension, heart conditions, joint problems, and other things.

Taking TRT will reduce your nat test production to practically zero which is not good.

To drop the weight, cut out all processed foods and sugars, reduce your carbs.  Lift weights to maintain muscle mass.

Solid advice.

[IroNat]

Solid advice.

Thanks, BigRo.

[Van_Bilderass]

Yeah I don't think they gave Tom 200mg, he is likely reading it wrong. Though it's not impossible.

3 weeks is where you start to notice things. It starts working the minute you take it but the genomic effects take while to manifest.

He's debated this in his head for a decade and now he's asking if he should take even MORE test. 200mg would be a nice dose, a little supra, but why not, really feel it for the first time in your life 

[Griffith]

How effective is the testosterone cream for TRT?

[Van_Bilderass]

How effective is the testosterone cream for TRT?

Up to 10% uptake. Just messy. Get over the needle phobia, everyone gets over it after the first shot.

[oldtimer1]

Forget all these drugs. Get healthy. Get lean by cardio and lifting. Hopefully you haven't permanently cut off your balls from making testosterone. I asked a MD endocrinologist what could be done to increase test. He said get lean. 

It's insane how many bodybuilders suffer from low T. How is it a healthy activity if this is the result? We all know how they got there because of the recreational use of steroids. A healthy guy in his 40's and 50's should have zero need for testosterone supplementation.

Some bodybuilders claim to be on trt when they take more supplementation than any sane doc would prescribe because they want muscles. No such thing as a drug that that doesn't have risk and taking testosterone for month in and month out for years has it's risks. 

[dj181]

Many of these dipshits say they are on trt when they are not

If your total test levels are out of range you not on trt so get the fuck outta here with that shit

Even more idiotic is those that add another compound like mast, primo, or deca and still claim they are on trt😂😂😂

[Van_Bilderass]

Forget all these drugs. Get healthy. Get lean by cardio and lifting. Hopefully you haven't permanently cut off your balls from making testosterone. I asked a MD endocrinologist what could be done to increase test. He said get lean. 

It's insane how many bodybuilders suffer from low T. How is it a healthy activity if this is the result? We all know how they got there because of the recreational use of steroids. A healthy guy in his 40's and 50's should have zero need for testosterone supplementation.

Some bodybuilders claim to be on trt when they take more supplementation than any sane doc would prescribe because they want muscles. No such thing as a drug that that doesn't have risk and taking testosterone for month in and month out for years has it's risks.

Being low can arguably also have risks. Cardiovascular and cognitive risks. Every drugs has risks of course, but sometimes you can kill yourself by not taking drugs as well. Today's drugs have extended lifespan overall imo.

And who cares about being normal when you be a little supranormal. You don't get points anywhere for being "natural." No one cares about your natural status. What do you win?

[dj181]

Being low can arguably also have risks. Cardiovascular and cognitive risks. Every drugs has risks of course, but sometimes you can kill yourself by not taking drugs as well. Today's drugs have extended lifespan overall imo.

And who cares about being normal when you be a little supranormal. You don't get points anywhere for being "natural." No one cares about your natural status. What do you win?

What would you say is a true trt dose for most?

Broderick chavez said that trt first came about a long time ago and that the prescribed dose was 1 mg per kg

But it seems to be around 100 mgs per week but I guess for some it's only 50 mgs per week and that keeps them within mid to high allowed range

And seems like 125 is the true top end but lots of guys will test when its at it's lowest like let's say you inject once a week on Tuesday so then they test it on Monday which doesn't really show Thier true level

Guess if you microdosed every single day then you wouldn't be able to cheat the system

[Van_Bilderass]

What would you say is a true trt dose for most?

Broderick chavez said that trt first came about a long time ago and that the prescribed dose was 1 mg per kg

But it seems to be around 100 mgs per week but I guess for some it's only 50 mgs per week and that keeps them within mid to high allowed range

And seems like 125 is the true top end but lots of guys will test when its at it's lowest like let's say you inject once a week on Tuesday so then they test it on Monday which doesn't really show Thier true level

Guess if you microdosed every single day then you wouldn't be able to cheat the system

From what I've read there can be quite a diffrence in drug metabolism in some. So hard to say for sure, it's not really natural anyway because the levels do not rise and fall normally. I think people can maybe handle slightly supra levels fine, maybe there are other benefits not related to muscle growth when you are "high."

[bhank]

So they gave you 200 mgs a week for trt?

If they did and they test you total and free test range it's like 99% certain you will be out of range, so will they do a follow up blood test?

Out of range is a total test level of 850-900, 900+ is out of range and on 200 weekly you will be out of range

True real and actual trt is usually round 100-125 weekly

STFU you have no idea what you are talking about. 200-300mg is a standard TRT dosage it will put you right where you need to be.

[bhank]

I finally started TRT (the cream) 3 weeks ago today, 200 mg a week, Quite Frankly don't feel anything different yet.. My TEST was bordering on the low scale (300 overall and only 55 "free" test)...The clinic also prescribed me 25 mg of DHEA a day, Nitric Oxide and B12 (for my low energy)... Anyway at my age 59 (!), I'm wondering what else can I take along with all of this?

Do I need to another route to acquire MORE TEST or other "special supplements"?...

Currently i'm 5'10 around 235 and too much body fat hovering around 20 -22%...

thanks in advance for all serious replies!..

Honestly I would bump it up a little higher at least 300mg their is no danger from taking a little but more. You wont feel anything or make much progress for a couple weeks. But 200mg should be ok dont add anything else see how that goes for 8-12 weeks first. If you are not making progress up the dosage to 300mg and go another 8-12 weeks. The other stuff wont do much but nice to have in theory B12 is great I take it on occasion same with DHEA but the test is what is going to make the real change.

So you have your hormones covered now figure out your diet and training proper use an app and start tracking your calories and macros get as much protein and as few calories as possible. Lose the weight slowly no rush focus on getting stronger through lifting and your bodyfat will take care of itself if you just cut the junk and alcohol.

[dj181]

From what I've read there can be quite a diffrence in drug metabolism in some. So hard to say for sure, it's not really natural anyway because the levels do not rise and fall normally. I think people can maybe handle slightly supra levels fine, maybe there are other benefits not related to muscle growth when you are "high."

Kurt havens recently said that you need at least a level of 1400 to get any muscle building benefits and they did a study on 100 and 300 mgs of test and deca and the only one that didn't build any muscle was 100 mgs of test

[Tom]

THANKS EVERYONE, for replies to my post....

I stand corrected my prescription for test cream is ONLY 100mg per week, with 2 clicks from the container every day on my balls.(they sent me 2 boxes, 100 mg each, so that was my initial confusion)....

As I said they also prescribed me 25 mg of DHEA per day??

I'm thinking about adding 300 to 500 mg a day of Ashwaganda for muscle building and better sleep/recovery?

Van_Bilderass, you mentioned that at my height I should only weigh 190 pounds? Doesn't a person's build and structure have sometime to do with this? If I lost 45 pounds I would be DEAD!..Bodyfat too high, but i DO NOT drink, smoke and I eat pretty healthy as is.

The clinic did/does make you/me sign a form saying I will not seek testosterone in any other form or additional prescription drugs with my Test Cream and other demands.....

[bhank]

THANKS EVERYONE, for replies to my post....

I stand corrected my prescription for test cream is ONLY 100mg per week, with 2 clicks from the container every day on my balls.(they sent me 2 boxes, 100 mg each, so that was my initial confusion)....

As I said they also prescribed me 25 mg of DHEA per day??

I'm thinking about adding 300 to 500 mg a day of Ashwaganda for muscle building and better sleep/recovery?

Van_Bilderass, you mentioned that at my height I should only weigh 190 pounds? Doesn't a person's build and structure have sometime to do with this? If I lost 45 pounds I would be DEAD!..Bodyfat too high, but i DO NOT drink, smoke and I eat pretty healthy as is.

The clinic did/does make you/me sign a form saying I will not seek testosterone in any other form or additional prescription drugs with my Test Cream and other demands.....

My buddy started on the cream it didn't do much for him so he switched to the injections. 100mg isn't going to do a whole lot regarldess. To give you an idea I cruise around 3-400mg year round with no other anabolics I do take HGH but that is anti aging it's not building any muscle. I am also 215lbs and below 10%.