Hair safe cutting cycle recommendation?

[38 returns]

Brian oyu have the legs of a polio victim

Jeff destroys you

again

[bhank]

Brian oyu have the legs of a polio victim

Jeff destroys you

again

I agree my legs are not my strongest asset however Jeffs are in fact worse

[38 returns]

your legs are dogshit


Jef's are diced and in proportion with his x-frame

sorry Brian you are owned

and without telling tales Jeff pre-con takes less than you do for trt. some people have it you don't

[efanhowz]

I think you’re playing with fire, I’ve known people that had no issues with high doses of test or tren that started shedding when they tried masteron.  Like, grab your hair and pull out 50-100 strands type shedding.

The only hair safe cycle is test+finasteride/dutasteride.  Add gh if desired.

You could be right. I like the look from mast but I feel like my hair brush has been getting full FAST on it. I do have long hair like Thor but the past week I’ve gotten paranoid about shedding and my temples receding.

I should take pics, I’m really losing my mind.

I’ve read amazing things about RU55841 but also horror stories about cardiopulmonary side effects including a guy on reddit diagnosed with pericarditis.

I’m not competitive, why do this when I know test/gh would be good enough?

[Tom]

Well, I've been thinking this (Van_Bilderass)... since i'm only getting 100 mg of TEST with my TEST Cream...I've been taking the cream daily for roughly a month now and I personally don't feel anything different....

Maybe I should cheat? What I mean is instead of the 2 pumps of the cream, only use 1 pump, so next month when I go in to get my blood drawn, they will see my TEST levels haven't changed much and they'll prescripe me MORE TEST in the TEST Cream. Now how much I don't know? Are we talking 150? 200?250? 300? mg of TEST in a cream?....

I want to build muscle, (don't know how much TEST I would need to take nor how much this Clinic could or would give?), so unless or until the day I get my TEST from some qualified person or experienced with special supplements  bodybuilder, this is the thing to do?....

[Lartinos]

Primo is also a dHt derivative and I’ve heard plent of guys say it causes shedding.

[efanhowz]

You got that info from doc Todd lee and his crew right?

He says never run primo higher than test because it will crash your estrogen, and he says to run it one to one at most which you nearly did and it still crashed your estrogen so thanks for.sharing this info brosef

He also recently said that if you use deca run it with zero test

Vigorous Steve will be dropping a deep dive on deca real soon

Watched a vid on a classic physique BB and he will be running 400 test and 800 primo so that will probably crush his estrogen but maybe his genetics will allow him to do so without crushing his estrogen

So you are using 62.5 primo as an ai?

And a gram and a half of gear is a decent sized cycle

Yes I enjoy Dr Todd’s no BS explanations. He’s prepping for a show so he’s running his estrogen low.

My labs came back test > 1500 and estradiol was 42 using only 62.5mg primo as AI which is on the high end of the labcorp reference range but all the coaches use a range of 40-80 if we are talking about the same unit of measurement?

I’d like to get it a little higher so I’ll prob stop the primo and just stick with test 600 mast 800

[Van_Bilderass]

Yes I enjoy Dr Todd’s no BS explanations. He’s prepping for a show so he’s running his estrogen low.

My labs came back test > 1500 and estradiol was 42 using only 62.5mg primo as AI which is on the high end of the labcorp reference range but all the coaches use a range of 40-80 if we are talking about the same unit of measurement?

I’d like to get it a little higher so I’ll prob stop the primo and just stick with test 600 mast 800

I don't check my estradiol so haven't looked into it but they say there are 2 methods of analysis for estradiol and you want the "women's highly sensitive test" instad of something called "ELISA" or something like that. The "regular" test is said to be highly inaccurate. Do you know about this?

I'm more in the camp of letting estrogen free if no obvious sides.

[Block]

“Hair Safe”.  Either you go bald or you do not. This isn’t the Ben Affleck after school steroid tv show special.

I know tons of guys with thick full heads of hair who use tons of gear with no strategic approach. I also know tons of guys who never touched gear and they are bald or thinning.

Gear doesn’t “cut”.  Just eat clean, go for a walk every day, avoid sugar and hit the weights. A mild Clen cycle if anything.


- Block!

[dj181]

Yes I enjoy Dr Todd’s no BS explanations. He’s prepping for a show so he’s running his estrogen low.

My labs came back test > 1500 and estradiol was 42 using only 62.5mg primo as AI which is on the high end of the labcorp reference range but all the coaches use a range of 40-80 if we are talking about the same unit of measurement?

I’d like to get it a little higher so I’ll prob stop the primo and just stick with test 600 mast 800

42 is a good estrogen level

Kurt havens says to keep it between 20-40 the actual reference range

Doc lee says when its at 80 for him he gets the highest igf spike from his gh

He says primo is an AI and mast is a week

Very interesting that only 62.5 grams of primo dropped your estrogen down to 42, how much test wer you running with that?

[joswift]

42 is a good estrogen level

Kurt havens says to keep it between 20-40 the actual reference range

Doc lee says when its at 80 for him he gets the highest igf spike from his gh

He says primo is an AI and mast is a week

Very interesting that only 62.5 grams of primo dropped your estrogen down to 42, how much test wer you running with that?

is Doc still friends with Nurse cotton?

[irishdave]

I would perhaps look into taking minox orally. Haven't done it myself but from what I've read it seems interesting.

Regarding the gear, I haven't read up on the safest wrt hair, but have noted that the opinions are all over the place.

Just one point: Mast is a DHT derivative. It does not necessarily mean it will behave exactly like DHT! That seems like common sense to me, right?

Why not just run what you did before? "Water" isn't a problem if you are very lean.

What you dud before was imo much more effective that what you're proposing. Then just run "hardeners" a couple of weeks before you wan't to look your best, if at all. Like just drop everything and do 2 weeks of Winstrol and Mast, the test will keep working for like 3 weeks anyway. That kind of thing.

Finasteride doesn't inactivate the Mast, it isn't a blocker to my knowledge, it just reduced DHT from test.

JMO 

That tree is wrong, primo cannot be a dht derivative as it doesn’t shed hair but I’ve never gone above 300 test 400 primo and 5iu gh e while running primo


Regardless of what the freak dj6969 above me, says, I really think you should come off finasteride as I took it and it’s not good bro

[irishdave]

“Hair Safe”.  Either you go bald or you do not. This isn’t the Ben Affleck after school steroid tv show special.

I know tons of guys with thick full heads of hair who use tons of gear with no strategic approach. I also know tons of guys who never touched gear and they are bald or thinning.

Gear doesn’t “cut”.  Just eat clean, go for a walk every day, avoid sugar and hit the weights. A mild Clen cycle if anything.


- Block!

Spitting facts

And yes van_bilderfaggit and dj are the same person

[efanhowz]

42 is a good estrogen level

Kurt havens says to keep it between 20-40 the actual reference range

Doc lee says when its at 80 for him he gets the highest igf spike from his gh

He says primo is an AI and mast is a week

Very interesting that only 62.5 grams of primo dropped your estrogen down to 42, how much test wer you running with that?

600 test 800 mast 62.5 primo
I don’t have baseline labs before the current 42 estradiol
Will phase out the primo and see how I react to higher estrogen for my hair
Will consider dropping mast as well in a couple weeks and maybe starting ultra low dose dutasteride 0.5mg every 10-15 days
Then probably begin a gain phase with test and ???eq??? Considering I don’t want the suppressive nature of nandrolone given I want a family in years coming
Cycling gets simpler when you prioritize things that actually matter in your life!

[dj181]

600 test 800 mast 62.5 primo
I don’t have baseline labs before the current 42 estradiol
Will phase out the primo and see how I react to higher estrogen for my hair
Will consider dropping mast as well in a couple weeks and maybe starting ultra low dose dutasteride 0.5mg every 10-15 days
Then probably begin a gain phase with test and ???eq??? Considering I don’t want the suppressive nature of nandrolone given I want a family in years coming
Cycling gets simpler when you prioritize things that actually matter in your life!

Wow! 600 test and 42 estro but did you know that mast also is an ai for some same with eq?

This primo, eq and mast being an ai isn't across the board and it seems to vary from individual to individual

Just watched a podcast with Broderick chavez and he said when he had his best lifts in powerlifting comps he ran 300 test and 3.5 grams of mast and he mast didn't touch his estrogen, again it varies by individual

Seems the only injects which have no potential to lower estrogen are the 19 nors and deca is supposed to be the most hair safe compound

[AbrahamG]

Wow! 600 test and 42 estro but did you know that mast also is an ai for some same with eq?

This primo, eq and mast being an ai isn't across the board and it seems to vary from individual to individual

Just watched a podcast with Broderick chavez and he said when he had his best lifts in powerlifting comps he ran 300 test and 3.5 grams of mast and he mast didn't touch his estrogen, again it varies by individual

Seems the only injects which have no potential to lower estrogen are the 19 nors and deca is supposed to be the most hair safe compound

You remind me of the guy from The Hills Have Eyes.

[dj181]

You remind me of the guy from The Hills Have Eyes.

Meanwhile I'll just keep on looking better and better

Bigger arms delts and chest with a smaller and tighter waist

[ProudVirgin69]

“Hair Safe”.  Either you go bald or you do not. This isn’t the Ben Affleck after school steroid tv show special.

I know tons of guys with thick full heads of hair who use tons of gear with no strategic approach. I also know tons of guys who never touched gear and they are bald or thinning.

It’s not a binary, hair loss can be accelerated or slowed.

This made me lol though

[joswift]

If steroids make your hair fall out then can someone explain this?

[ProudVirgin69]

If steroids make your hair fall out then can someone explain this?

some people are not prone to male pattern baldness.  The four people with receding hairlines clearly are.

Are you suggesting that androgens such as testosterone do not accelerate hair loss in those people who are susceptible to it?

[joswift]

some people are not prone to male pattern baldness.  The four people with receding hairlines clearly are.

Are you suggesting that androgens such as testosterone do not accelerate hair loss in those people who are susceptible to it?

Im saying if you are going to go bald you will go bald regardless of drug use.

[Griffith]

If steroids make your hair fall out then can someone explain this?

Two of them are wearing toupées.

[Griffith]

TIA.  Lurked here for a while but finally have a real question.

Started min/fin about 5 years ago when noticing some thinning, all regrew and haven't lost since.

Have been cruising on trt for 3 years.  Have done a few heavier dose cycles, 400mg per week with 200mg deca & anavar and never had hair issues.

Wanting to try a test/mast/primo cycle, but a little nervous on the mast since its dht based.  I know it can't be 100% answered, but do you think if running 250test c, 100 primo, 100 mast per week is a safe cutting cycle (safe for hair that is)?

Also, does the finasteride basically ruin the mast anyways since its countering the DHT or is that OK?

Have you tried any SARM's?

[efanhowz]

It’s not a binary, hair loss can be accelerated or slowed.

Totally agree. My hair brush now gets full every 2 days so pulling the plug on mast. I doubt dropping the 62.5 primo will have a drastic effect so I will use the remaining test/mast mix but slightly bump the test and shoot eod to increase test to mast ratio.

Maybe 600 test 400 mast for the next 3 weeks if I can work out the math, then the mast will be done.
 
I’ll start low dose oral dutasteride and then test eq into a bulk, redraw labs to see how my estrogen reacts to eq.

There is no one size fits all for AAS. Labs are imperative, so is your own response, so are your own goals and own priorities.

[bhank]

Meanwhile I'll just keep on looking better and better

Bigger arms delts and chest with a smaller and tighter waist

How big are your hips? You claim a 28 inch waist you think you are going to diet down to 27, 26? You don't think there is a limit? Also how do you propose you are going to get bigger and smaller at the same time? You are 157lbs with 15.25 inch arms when are you going to get bigger?


What did you eat yesterday? I guarantee it was starvation rations