Pretty cold, but consistent with what you get on get big, have seen him many times when passing through LA last few years always training with his girl, who was a throwback to the old female bodybuilding days meaning big ass juiced up, was always polite, never knew he was an ex addict. Pretty much everyone training at Venice these days is damaged in some way, fair representation of the entire drug using community. Sorry to hear he past, always thought it was strange he was still holding huge size and condition when he didn't need to anymore, especially after establishing he didn't have what it took. Guess that pretty much points to mental illness. All the same he took his life rather than moving ion with it. RIP.