Mike Mentzer - Did not build all his size with volume training - more lies

[Rmj11]

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Wrong. Meth breath certainly built his body with volume. That's been well established. The rest was steroids. Old methy was a con artist making out he only trained 30 minutes 4 x a week with hit. It's well known that once you attain the mass you can maintain it on lower volume trainiing. Yates also did this. He used higher volume to build up then lower volume (and lots of gear) to maintain.

"One of the most common misrepresentations about Mike Mentzer is that he built all of his size with volume training, but then, for some reason, recommended that people train with low volume and high intensity. The pro volume people allege that he did this solely as a means of making money. Nothing could be further from the truth."

[Titus Pullo]

i=oqfNzanqgIAUohOZ

Wrong. Meth breath certainly built his body with volume. That's been well established. The rest was steroids. Old methy was a con artist making out he only trained 30 minutes 4 x a week with hit. It's well known that once you attain the mass you can maintain it on lower volume trainiing. Yates also did this. He used higher volume to build up then lower volume (and lots of gear) to maintain.

Not this shit again :/  It's like a moth to a flame.

I don't know why you're so obsessed with so-called HIT trainers.  Larry Pullock, the same source you gleefully cite as evidence that Methzer would suck a dick for amphetamines, attested to how Mike actually trained, and he detailed how Mike went from skinny fat to pro size using moderate doses of Deca in tandem with a split and set protocol very similar to that which Mikey recommended in his '92 edition of Heavy Duty.

You never cited a source for Yates doing "high volume," either.  You claimed you had witnesses to as much, and never named one.  It was around that time that you started strawmandering everybody, including your nasty jokes at Big Ro's father's expense.

You're a bottom feeder, Rimjob.  Fuck you.

[Rmj11]

Not this shit again :/  It's like a moth to a flame.

I don't know why you're so obsessed with so-called HIT trainers.  Larry Pullock, the same source you gleefully cite as evidence that Methzer would suck a dick for amphetamines, attested to how Mike actually trained, and he detailed how Mike went from skinny fat to pro size using moderate doses of Deca in tandem with a split and set protocol very similar to that which Mikey recommended in his '92 edition of Heavy Duty.

You never cited a source for Yates doing "high volume," either.  You claimed you had witnesses to as much, and never named one.  It was around that time that you started strawmandering everybody, including your nasty jokes at Big Ro's father's expense.

You're a bottom feeder, Rimjob.  Fuck you.

If you don't like then don't read. Very simple. Just like you. 👍

[falco]

You're obcessed man..

[IroNat]

You're obcessed man..

I think correct spelling is "abcessed".

[MajorDomo]

i=oqfNzanqgIAUohOZ

Wrong. Meth breath certainly built his body with volume. That's been well established. The rest was steroids. Old methy was a con artist making out he only trained 30 minutes 4 x a week with hit. It's well known that once you attain the mass you can maintain it on lower volume trainiing. Yates also did this. He used higher volume to build up then lower volume (and lots of gear) to maintain.

So use higher volume if you want. Nobody gives a fuck.

[Humble Narcissist]

He was a heavyweight as a Mr. Pennsylvania amateur years before (s)HIT.

[French]

He never did a HIT to gain his mass. His frame was built before he was 25 and peaked in 77 with high volume training.
After retiring, he was nothing more than a salesman of dreams until the final absurdity of his ultimate 90s training program.
He never trained Dorian.
The only guy who trained intensively, heavy with extra short sessions besides Dorian was Lee Labrada.

[Griffith]

 

[French]

For photography only in 1991, Dorian trained in England.
It's a bit like Joe Weider "trainer of champions" who has never trained anyone.

[Palumboism]

[Palumboism]

Wrong. Meth breath certainly built his body with volume. That's been well established. The rest was steroids. Old methy was a con artist making out he only trained 30 minutes 4 x a week with hit. It's well known that once you attain the mass you can maintain it on lower volume trainiing. Yates also did this. He used higher volume to build up then lower volume (and lots of gear) to maintain.

How do you explain that John has 151,000 subscribers on Youtube?  It seems like many out there are interested in watching what he posts.

[Rambone]

Overheard a bald man at my gym talking about Mike Mentzer yesterday. True story.

[dj181]

He claims Arron baker went from a soft 205 to a conditioned 250 in just a few months of training with him

Also claimed Peter Paul of the barbarian brothers gained 7 pounds of pure muscle under his guidance in a matter of weeks

One of his best quotes was something like this.... "So how do you get bigger? By getting weaker?"

[beakdoctor]

How do you explain that John has 151,000 subscribers on Youtube?  It seems like many out there are interested in watching what he posts.

That's every single person who ascribes to Heavy Duty philosophy.  Half of them haven't trained since the 80's and the other half looks like shit.

John little parrots the most idiotic shit that mentzer used to say. He prefaces most of his stories by saying something like "this is nothing against Arnold, he was a great bodybuilder  BUT

Can you imagine how much better he could've been had he not overtrained?

Or

At everyone says he was the 6th or 7th best bodybuilder on stage that day.

The argument these guys always make for how great mentzer was is how well he did against the worst version of Arnold who ever stepped on stage....

It's like everyone saying Trevor Berbick is better than Muhammad Ali, lol... preposterous

[Rmj11]

So use higher volume if you want. Nobody gives a fuck.

No, just you.

[Rmj11]

How do you explain that John has 151,000 subscribers on Youtube?  It seems like many out there are interested in watching what he posts.

That's easy. Just look at his views compared to his subscribers. Not many viewing his vids. The hit marketing gimmick appeals to the lazy and the naive. Little is just milking methzer's name since he owns some of the methzer estate. So he uploads tons of methzer bs but funny how he never shows any real evidence of methzer's methods actually working. There has never been a successful hit only bodybuilder. And no that does not include Yates.

[Rmj11]

That's every single person who ascribes to Heavy Duty philosophy.  Half of them haven't trained since the 80's and the other half looks like shit.

John little parrots the most idiotic shit that mentzer used to say. He prefaces most of his stories by saying something like "this is nothing against Arnold, he was a great bodybuilder  BUT

Can you imagine how much better he could've been had he not overtrained?

Or

At everyone says he was the 6th or 7th best bodybuilder on stage that day.

The argument these guys always make for how great mentzer was is how well he did against the worst version of Arnold who ever stepped on stage....

It's like everyone saying Trevor Berbick is better than Muhammad Ali, lol... preposterous

Exactly. It's very cult like thinking. If you try to debate Little with actual real world results that debunks the hit myth he will block you. If Little is so smart then why can't he defend his position? It's all a con to suck in the naive and the lazy.

[dj181]

Exactly. It's very cult like thinking. If you try to debate Little with actual real world results that debunks the hit myth he will block you. If Little is so smart then why can't he defend his position? It's all a con to suck in the naive and the lazy.

Most of the big guys like the guys on thinkbig bodybuilding YouTube said they built the vast majority of their size on brief and infrequent training ie. Dog crap training

So how do you explain this? Dog crap is not volume training btw

[bhank]

Most of the big guys like the guys on thinkbig bodybuilding YouTube said they built the vast majority of their size on brief and infrequent training ie. Dog crap training

So how do you explain this? Dog crap is not volume training btw

Why not try different training methods and see what works for you we are not all the same

[beakdoctor]

You know, the funny thing is....

Mentzer looked great in 77, 78, 79.... he had an awesome,  powerful physique. In fact Arnold's Education of a Bodybuilder was the reason I started lifting at 13 / 14 years old until my mid 20's but then I quit for s long time until my late 40's when I came across a thread of Mike mentzer pictures and saw his most muscular shot on muscle rock, I was so motivated I began lifting again and haven't stopped since

I started again by using his training methods (since it was his phpho that inspired me) but I quickly found that he didn't build his physique with those methods and those methods don't work! I switched to a more conventional volume workout,  which not inly worked but was more fun.

The worst thing about mentzer is his annoying fans who loved repeating everything he says, while not making any progress!

[Humble Narcissist]

That's every single person who ascribes to Heavy Duty philosophy.  Half of them haven't trained since the 80's and the other half looks like shit.

John little parrots the most idiotic shit that mentzer used to say. He prefaces most of his stories by saying something like "this is nothing against Arnold, he was a great bodybuilder  BUT

Can you imagine how much better he could've been had he not overtrained?

Or

At everyone says he was the 6th or 7th best bodybuilder on stage that day.

The argument these guys always make for how great mentzer was is how well he did against the worst version of Arnold who ever stepped on stage....

It's like everyone saying Trevor Berbick is better than Muhammad Ali, lol... preposterous

This. Some of those (s)HIT warriors post their own videos. They look like complete shit when they start and they use some excuse (like work) for not working out in years. The first few workouts they act amazed that they are getting stronger every workout not realizing it's just muscle memory. After 3 or 4 weeks the experiment must have stopped because there are no more videos.

[Rmj11]

Most of the big guys like the guys on thinkbig bodybuilding YouTube said they built the vast majority of their size on brief and infrequent training ie. Dog crap training

So how do you explain this? Dog crap is not volume training btw

Easy. They don't. They've used other methods to get big.

[Rmj11]

This. Some of those (s)HIT warriors post their own videos. They look like complete shit when they start and they use some excuse (like work) for not working out in years. The first few workouts they act amazed that they are getting stronger every workout not realizing it's just muscle memory. After 3 or 4 weeks the experiment must have stopped because there are no more videos.

Exactly. Then you get the real delusional ones that claim they've made "phenomenal" gains on HD hit yet never show any evidence. The hit cult are the flat earthers of the bodybuilding community. They're a joke.

[irishdave]

He never did a HIT to gain his mass. His frame was built before he was 25 and peaked in 77 with high volume training.
After retiring, he was nothing more than a salesman of dreams until the final absurdity of his ultimate 90s training program.
He never trained Dorian.
The only guy who trained intensively, heavy with extra short sessions besides Dorian was Lee Labrada.

This makes the most sense and I have friends who totally buy into HIT and I don’t want to insult royalty however Yates and the boys are lying if they say they achieved that mass without volume in the beginnings