Mike Mentzer - Did not build all his size with volume training - more lies

[dj181]

Ok but you couldn't bench 300 for 1 if your life depended on it

Never said I could but if I could bench 300 for 10 I'd have much bigger pecs delts and tris

It ain't easy adding load to the bar but I have been increasing weights and reps the last few weeks and I plan on continuing to do so

I get a much better pec contraction on machines so I stick with them it's fucking stupid to do an exercise that doesn't work the targeted muscle well and the barbell bench press is the number one pec ripper so fuck that

[delon]

Is this an MMA board or a bodybuilding board?

When I broke my wrist in high school I had to put it in a cast. It was mid wrestling season when it happened. I sawed the to part off early and this kid Paul decided it was time to pick a fight with me because I was in a cast. I hit him anyway with my broken wrist. I then sawed the rest off a few weeks later and took 2nd in states despite missing half the season with a broken wrist. It is still crooked now either from hitting Paul it never healed right.

When I had one of my shoulder surgeries I went to a bar a week later on painkillers in a sling. I got jumped by like half a dozen guys outside the bar. The shoulder never healed right.

When I get my pec done I am carrying a blade until I am fully recovered. I will absolutely stab a guy who tries to fight me. My pec is going to heal right.

Bhank why did 6 guys take it upon themselves to beat you up outside the bar ??  Obviously it wasnt your fault as you never start anything, but what was their flawed reasoning for doing so?

[bhank]

Never said I could but if I could bench 300 for 10 I'd have much bigger pecs delts and tris

It ain't easy adding load to the bar but I have been increasing weights and reps the last few weeks and I plan on continuing to do so

I get a much better pec contraction on machines so I stick with them it's fucking stupid to do an exercise that doesn't work the targeted muscle well and the barbell bench press is the number one pec ripper so fuck that

You stick to machines to hide how weak you are on bench press you would have to eat to get stronger and bigger which you don't do machines will not add any size to you when you are 157lbs and cutting calories

You are not going to get leaner losing more weight you are just cannibalizing muscle tissue you need to add about 20lbs just to get back to a healthy look you are killing yourself

[dj181]

You stick to machines to hide how weak you are on bench press you would have to eat to get stronger and bigger which you don't do machines will not add any size to you when you are 157lbs and cutting calories

You are not going to get leaner losing more weight you are just cannibalizing muscle tissue you need to add about 20lbs just to get back to a healthy look you are killing yourself

My genetics wound never allow me to be 180 in this condition

I'm not that delusional

I've got conditioning genetics not size genetics

[joswift]

You stick to machines to hide how weak you are on bench press you would have to eat to get stronger and bigger which you don't do machines will not add any size to you when you are 157lbs and cutting calories

You are not going to get leaner losing more weight you are just cannibalizing muscle tissue you need to add about 20lbs just to get back to a healthy look you are killing yourself

and you need to drop 20lbs to get in show condition

[38 returns]

You stick to machines to hide how weak you are on bench press you would have to eat to get stronger and bigger which you don't do machines will not add any size to you when you are 157lbs and cutting calories

You are not going to get leaner losing more weight you are just cannibalizing muscle tissue you need to add about 20lbs just to get back to a healthy look you are killing yourself

Oi bell end

Nathan de Asha benches 230kg

But trains exclusively on machines

so another theory of has goes.

it doesn't matter what you are doing as long as you are working harder

brain you consider 5 sets of leg extension a workout

everyone else considers it a warm up

you bitch

[dj181]

Oi bell end

Nathan de Asha benches 230kg

But trains exclusively on machines

so another theory of has goes.

it doesn't matter what you are doing as long as you are working harder

brain you consider 5 sets of leg extension a workout

everyone else considers it a warm up

you bitch

I'm not sure if he really believes this shit he types or if he just enjoys being a dickhead

Muscles don't know if it's a barbell dumbbell machine etc they just know if it's a sufficiently heavy load to stimulate it

[Rmj11]

If you want to train heavy with low sets don't do it because it doesn't work.

If you want to do volume with medium/heavy weights then do it because that does work.

Any one that puts down the other side is secure about their training and find that real world results always trumps theory.

Anyone with passionate for facts would be arguing about this stuff.

On lifting boards HIT guys in the 90’s, 2000’s and little beyond were the biggest ass holes about how HIT was the only way to Nirvana.  They acted like religious zealots. And they still do.   

Who gives a fuck if one guys uses four different exercises for chest for one work set to failure or does 20 sets? Obviously you do.

Fixed.

[oldtimer1]

Fixed.

You think you're clever changing my words around but you're just an insecure jerk. You post like a mental patient. Spend more time training and working toward a career than posting your nonsense.

[Rmj11]

You think you're clever changing my words around but you're just an insecure jerk. You post like a mental patient. Spend more time training and working toward a career than posting your nonsense.

Facts do not care about your feelings.

[illuminati]

You think you're clever changing my words around but you're just an insecure jerk. You post like a mental patient. Spend more time training and working toward a career than posting your nonsense.

Its his go to default as he's so thick & stupid he can't come up with
anything else himself.
Very Clearly a Sub normal reject obsessed with HIT 

[oldtimer1]

Its his go to default as he's so thick & stupid he can't come up with
anything else himself.
Very Clearly a Sub normal reject obsessed with HIT 

Like I said train the way you want. If you're obsessed with telling the other guy is wrong it shows he lacks confidence. HIT guys use to be rude assholes to anyone that didn't train the way they did. Now RMJ has reversed it preaching the volume side like a religious zealot. 

Casey Viator use volume and plenty of it for his best ever condition for the 1982 Olympia.  A guy that posted here whose name escapes me use to write for Ironman. He said he counted Casey's sets and he counted 16 for one body part when he was in the gym with him.

In the track world guys that train for the sprints don't go out for long distance runs. They are doing short hard repeats. The hardest sprint event is the 400 meters. You will never hear a 400 meter runner say to a 10K guy your training is easy because you use volume to train. On the same token you will never hear a 10K guy say to a 400 meter guy your training is easy because you hard high intensity repeats of 800 meters to 100 meter repeats and never go for 10 mile runs. Both are hard training. Yet in the lifting world one side always insults the other.

I realize why Arnold got mad when Mentzer said your training is easy. Arnold busted his ass day in and day out. It's apples to oranges. If intensity was the key we would all be doing sets of one rep to work out in the most intense possible manner.

My opinion doesn't matter. Train the way you want. For a busy guy a high intensity routine like Yates will take you far without the crazy time commitment. I do think muscles get bigger through muscular endurance training as in volume. When I do one set to failure I look good. When I do two working sets close to failure per exercise I look better.  Nothing wrong with using 3 or 6 sets of an exercise either. Just a different type of stimulus.  A person using 6 sets of a barbell curl might do the first 5 sets stopping before failure and the last set to failure. That's a lot time under tension and certainly hits the check marks for using muscular endurance.

I think Jeff Everson talking about the topic said it best, "Until pigs fly you don't have to be a scientist to be a bodybuilder."
On a side not Jeff was watching the ABC's Superstars show and watched Big Lou and Mentzer struggle with push jerking 300lbs. Jeff went into the gym the same day as the program aired and did it ten times in a row.

[Rmj11]

Its my go to default as I'm so thick & stupid I can't come up with
anything else myself.
I'm Very Clearly a Sub normal reject obsessed with HIT 

You sure are

[Rmj11]

Like I said train the way you want. If you're obsessed with telling the other guy is wrong it shows he lacks confidence. HIT guys use to be rude assholes to anyone that didn't train the way they did. Now RMJ has reversed it preaching the volume side like a religious zealot. 

Casey Viator use volume and plenty of it for his best ever condition for the 1982 Olympia.  A guy that posted here whose name escapes me use to write for Ironman. He said he counted Casey's sets and he counted 16 for one body part when he was in the gym with him.

In the track world guys that train for the sprints don't go out for long distance runs. They are doing short hard repeats. The hardest sprint event is the 400 meters. You will never hear a 400 meter runner say to a 10K guy your training is easy because you use volume to train. On the same token you will never hear a 10K guy say to a 400 meter guy your training is easy because you hard high intensity repeats of 800 meters to 100 meter repeats and never go for 10 mile runs. Both are hard training. Yet in the lifting world one side always insults the other.

I realize why Arnold got mad when Mentzer said your training is easy. Arnold busted his ass day in and day out. It's apples to oranges. If intensity was the key we would all be doing sets of one rep to work out in the most intense possible manner.

My opinion doesn't matter. Train the way you want. For a busy guy a high intensity routine like Yates will take you far without the crazy time commitment. I do think muscles get bigger through muscular endurance training as in volume. When I do one set to failure I look good. When I do two working sets close to failure per exercise I look better.  Nothing wrong with using 3 or 6 sets of an exercise either. Just a different type of stimulus.  A person using 6 sets of a barbell curl might do the first 5 sets stopping before failure and the last set to failure. That's a lot time under tension and certainly hits the check marks for using muscular endurance.

I think Jeff Everson talking about the topic said it best, "Until pigs fly you don't have to be a scientist to be a bodybuilder."
On a side not Jeff was watching the ABC's Superstars show and watched Big Lou and Mentzer struggle with push jerking 300lbs. Jeff went into the gym the same day as the program aired and did it ten times in a row.

If you did more sets you would look way better.

[illuminati]

You sure are

You just proved me Correct.

[Rmj11]

I just proved you correct.

Exactly.

[Dalnet]

When I had one of my shoulder surgeries I went to a bar a week later on painkillers in a sling. I got jumped by like half a dozen guys outside the bar. The shoulder never healed right.

When I get my pec done I am carrying a blade until I am fully recovered. I will absolutely stab a guy who tries to fight me. My pec is going to heal right.

I've been to hundreds of bars. Never once been jumped by one guy, let alone half a dozen. What kind of aura are you giving off for that to happen?

You sound like you're looking for trouble wherever you go. Aren't you past that phase in your life, now? Can't you get a gun permit where you are? That would make more sense.

[Royalty]

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[Humble Narcissist]

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But only for one set.

[Rmj11]

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Yeah, didn't enjoy it much since HIT guys are too brief. Very disappointing.

[Humble Narcissist]

Yeah, didn't enjoy it much since HIT guys are too brief. Very disappointing.

Yeah, they only last a minute but at least it's a fuck to failure.

[Royalty]

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[beakdoctor]

Royalty is posting FAR beyond what is optimal.  If done correctly,  Royalty should only post once every 6 or 7 days.

Anything beyond that is over posting. Something Royalty is guilty of. It's why his posts suck. If he were to post less he'd be a much better poster but he insists on a volume approach and his progress has stalled.

[Royalty]

Royalty is posting FAR beyond what is optimal.  If done correctly,  Royalty should only post once every 6 or 7 days.

Anything beyond that is over posting. Something Royalty is guilty of. It's why his posts suck. If he were to post less he'd be a much better poster but he insists on a volume approach and his progress has stalled.

Posting about posting

[beakdoctor]

Posting about posting

No. I was posting about an idiot. Turns out you're too much of an idiot to have "gotten it."