Mens physique pro on 5+ grams

[dj181]

Covered in the first 20 minutes

1 gram of test tren and mast and 700 primo and 50 winny and var and 40 halo

Brutal

They say 2-3 grams total is the ceiling and test should be 500 max and tren 200 max but the dose of mast and primo are ok

Also they say only running var is enough you don't need 3-4 hardemers

[bhank]

Covered in the first 20 minutes

1 gram of test tren and mast and 700 primo and 50 winny and var and 40 halo

Brutal

They say 2-3 grams total is the ceiling and test should be 500 max and tren 200 max but the dose of mast and primo are ok

Also they say only running var is enough you don't need 3-4 hardemers

You can take 5grams a day if you don't eat you will not grow

[dj181]

Second guy is classic BB on 350 test 1 gram of tren and 700 mast and 100 winny

They said test is fine tren way way too much 200 is cap and only use tren ace not tren e this fella was using both and he can jack the mast up to 1.5 grams the fill in for the gramage lost through reducing tren to 200

Also they gave a low end high end dose of var and set it at 10 minimumal 30 max

Once I finish the dbol I may add in var so very good news pour moi

I was going to run the var at 20 mgs but I can go with just 10 mgs thanks to the WORD from these 2 fellas also the fact that my main man vigorous Steve only runs 10 mgs of var

Less stress and strain on the body and less cash expended on the gears

[bhank]

Second guy is classic BB on 350 test 1 gram of tren and 700 mast and 50 winny

Next is the classic BB running 350 test and one gram of tren and 700 mast and 100 winny on the daily

They said test is fine tren way way too much 200 is cap and only use tren ace not tren e this fella was using both and he can jack the mast up to 1.5 grams the fill in for the gramage lost through reducing tren to 200

Also they gave a low end high end dose of var and set it at 10 minimumal 30 max

Once I finish the dbol I may add in var so very good news pour moi

I was going to run the var at 20 mgs but I can go with just 10 mgs thanks to the WORD from these 2 fellas also the fact that my main man vigorous Steve only runs 10 mgs of var

Less stress and strain on the body and less cash expended on the gears

Again everyone is different some people prefer and do better on different compounds than others. All the different compounds really do the same thing and it is just a matter of which ones cause water retention and estrogen issues or mental and which don't. Then yeah precontest they get their dosages up and get that hardened look using orals.

But there is no right or wrong dosage of any particular thing for anyone.

Beware of anyone who speaks in absolutes.

The biggest cost of bodybuilding is not gear it is FOOD if you can't afford gear you can't afford food you can't afford to bodybuild

[dj181]

You can take 5grams a day if you don't eat you will not grow

Unless you are fattish the start with if you are then you can recomp just like mentzer did back in the day

He said he started at a very fat 220 and then he deployed 25 dbol and 400 deca and then boom shreads at 210

If you eat beyond need you do not hasten the muscle gaining process you just end up getting fatter watery and bloofy happened to me more than 10 times so I'm done with that shit

Some genetic marvels can eat highish cals and not get fatter but they are very very very rare and I certainly ain't one of them

[Van_Bilderass]

Didn't watch but how the fuck do they throw out absolutes like "500 test is max" or "1 gram of Mast is ok"? Or "you don't need 2-3 hardeners." What is a "hardener" exactly? Mast is thought to be a "hardener" and so is tren so what the fuck, why do you need the var in that case? Not saying it's wrong to throw it in there but how many different drugs is acceptable or not?

You can make statements based on anecdotes like "2 to 3 grams total seems to be the ceiling," if that's what you've seen, fine, but these "acceptable doses" and acceptable amounts of different compounds in astack is pullezout of their asses.

Some could say all you "need" is a few grams of test and tren and all the rest adds only neglible results, and they'd actually have an argument, and some good bbers DO run just a couple of compounds, and in the off season some may even just run test at several grams a week. All these steroids work ROUGHLY the same, all the optimal combos are just suppositions and should be treated as theories only. The total dose is the more important number, if test is high enough it baically does "everything."

Just my opinion. Please argue with me if you disagree, these are not rules or absolutes, just a viewpoint

EDIT: didn't even see bhanks latest post when I wrote my reply but he said much the same

[dj181]

Didn't watch but how the fuck do they throw out absolutes like "500 test is max" or "1 gram of Mast is ok"? Or "you don't need 2-3 hardeners." What is a htdener exactly? Mast is thought to be a "hardener" and so is tren so what the fuck.

You can make statements based on anecdotes like "2 to 3 grams total seems to be the ceiling," if that's what you've seen, fine, but these "acceptable doses" and acceptable amounts of different compounds in astack is pullezout of their asses.

Some could say all you "need" is a few grams of test and tren and all the rest adds only neglible results, and they'd actually have an argument, and some good bbers DO run just a couple of compounds, and in the off season some may even just run test at several grams a week. All these steroids work ROUGHLY the same, all the optimal combos are just suppositions and should be treated as theories only. The total dose is the more important number, if test is high enough it baically does "everything."

Just my opinion. Please argue with me if you disagree, these are not rules or absolutes, just a viewpoint

Yep mast primo and tren are hardeners too but they were talking about the oral hardemers ie. Winny, halo, proviron and var

I've run pretty high mast like 700 mgs and it did dickola for me

I'm now on 200 mgs of deca and it shits all over 700 mgs of mast not even close

Chavez says if you are flat and stringy like me you need mainly deca, dbol and drol which is spot for me and that naturally chubby guys thrive on mast and primo I think he is more correct than these 2 fellas

Also vigorous Steve says mast sucks ass and in my experience it sure as hell does

[bhank]

Unless you are fattish the start with if you are then you can recomp just like mentzer did back in the day

He said he started at a very fat 220 and then he deployed 25 dbol and 400 deca and then boom shreads at 210

If you eat beyond need you do not hasten the muscle gaining process you just end up getting fatter watery and bloofy happened to me more than 10 times so I'm done with that shit

Some genetic marvels can eat highish cals and not get fatter but they are very very very rare and I certainly ain't one of them

How the fuck do you think he got to 220lbs before recomping? So he was very fat at 220 and shredded at 210? Yeah that makes sense. What the fuck are you talking about you are done with that shit when did you ever do that shit? You are 157lbs when did you bulk up?

[bhank]

Didn't watch but how the fuck do they throw out absolutes like "500 test is max" or "1 gram of Mast is ok"? Or "you don't need 2-3 hardeners." What is a "hardener" exactly? Mast is thought to be a "hardener" and so is tren so what the fuck, why do you need the var in that case? Not saying it's wrong to throw it in there but how many different drugs is acceptable or not?

You can make statements based on anecdotes like "2 to 3 grams total seems to be the ceiling," if that's what you've seen, fine, but these "acceptable doses" and acceptable amounts of different compounds in astack is pullezout of their asses.

Some could say all you "need" is a few grams of test and tren and all the rest adds only neglible results, and they'd actually have an argument, and some good bbers DO run just a couple of compounds, and in the off season some may even just run test at several grams a week. All these steroids work ROUGHLY the same, all the optimal combos are just suppositions and should be treated as theories only. The total dose is the more important number, if test is high enough it baically does "everything."

Just my opinion. Please argue with me if you disagree, these are not rules or absolutes, just a viewpoint

EDIT: didn't even see bhanks latest post when I wrote my reply but he said much the same

Exactly

Another issue is Anti estrogens have advanced you used to have to take these weird formulas because if you just took test you would be bloated from all the estrogen conversion. Now guys can take Anti estrogens and stay lean and dry on heavy doses of Test so why bother droping it for non aromatizing compounds that are not as strong?

But you are 52 years old and 157lbs why do you care about the max dosages of competitive Pro bodybuilders? 3-500mg is way more than you will ever need. You are not going to blow up at 52 years old and at 157lbs you don't have enough receptor sites to use more and you can grow like a weed if you just added food because you are starving yourself.

[visualizeperfection]

DJ is obsessed with drugs. It’s mental illness.

Doesn’t eat like he cares, doesn’t train like he cares, just load the barrel and pray for muscles. It just hasn’t happened yet. Never will honestly.

[Van_Bilderass]

Chavez says if you are flat and stringy like me you need mainly deca, dbol and drol which is spot for me and that naturally chubby guys thrive on mast and primo I think he is more correct than these 2 fellas

If you think critically that is baloney too. "Flat and stringy" just means a lean guy with little muscle. "Chubby guys" simply means fat. These are not 2 different guys who "need" different drugs for optimal results. If a drug is potent it will work well whether you are flat or fat. "Flat"? As if that is somehow different from small lol.

I doubt the "mast does dickola for me" statement. When you did 700 mast did you have way less absolute lean body mass than now on 200 Deca? I doubt it, right?

I mean some of these experts are idiotic where they try to invent elegant solutions to non-problems. Advicing "chubby guys" on choice of drugs is ridiculous. They are simply fat, they don't react differently to drugs. Get a fatty on a diet on 3 grams of test without an antiestrogen and see how his "estrogen problems" and "water retention" was simply fat.

[dj181]

3rd guy is an open BB on 3.5 grams test 1.4 grams tren and 100 mgs of dbol and drol daily total dosage 6 + grams and 12 iu gh

They said they know this guy and he looked even better on 25% of that total doseage so less than 2 grams total

They said dbol is useless on or off season and that it is much more neurotoxic than either test or deca very bad news

And they said gh cap is 6 iu but maybe just maybe 8 iu at the very top

[dj181]

DJ is obsessed with drugs. It’s mental illness.

Doesn’t eat like he cares, doesn’t train like he cares, just load the barrel and pray for muscles. It just hasn’t happened yet. Never will honestly.

Hahahaha

I like learning about this shit it is fascinating for me, knowledge is power

I have structured eating now counting calories and making sure I am not gaining any bodyfat

So far I have added 1 full inch to my chest and 1/2 to my shoulders and 1/3 inch to my arms and my waist is still 28.5 inches so it's working 💪😎

[Van_Bilderass]

They said dbol is useless on or off season and that it is much more neurotoxic than either test or deca very bad news

And they said gh cap is 6 iu but maybe just maybe 8 iu at the very top

Absolute fucking shit lol. "Useless"? These guys are useless. "Much more neurotoxic" is fucking baloney too based on something Victor Black claimed. As far as orals go, dbol is the fucking best there is, it's only been the "breakfast of champions" for half a century. Sure you can get the approximate same results on other combos but saying it's useless is just a shit take 100%.

GH cap at 6iu? I guess that's why NONE of the pros run it that low lol.

[gib]

Nassar was on 5gs apparently too.

[Van_Bilderass]

Furthermore these bitches should be ashamed of ripping off Victor Black word for word without giving credit. I've said Victor is the biggest piece of shit I've seen on social media BUT most of these guys just use VC's talking points without anything original coming from themselves. Jewett was "coached" for free by Victor. Then Jewett starts a money making scam selling Victor's info in his "University" course for 2 thousand bucks or whatever it was! When Victor sold his original info and more for 50 bucks lol. I wasn't a member of Vic's site but could probably cite his main talking points in one page, just based on his instagram posts lol. Even Vic says there's practically nothing to succes in bb, you could condense all the necessary important info on how to become a champion into just a
few centences.

I don't feel bad for Victor but this is just shameless lol. This whole "coaching" scene is a joke.

Nassar was on 5gs apparently too.

Just the test was probably 5 grams, maybe total was like 10 grams. Just the Anadrol was at times 3.5 grams a week lol. Not that it's important info "for us" but these absolute freaks have all been "up there." I say, and apparently others do too, that the average pro dose for shows is 4 grams plus nowadays. Maybe it's not even needed but they still do it.

[dj181]

Last guy is a classic BB on 500 test 400 mast ,900 primo 50.drol on training days and 6 iu gh

They agree with all in this case, but they said they would pull out the drol and basically only use drol the last few days before a contest if needed

[dj181]

Absolute fucking shit lol. "Useless"? These guys are useless. "Much more neurotoxic" is fucking baloney too based on something Victor Black claimed. As far as orals go, dbol is the fucking best there is, it's only been the "breakfast of champions" for half a century. Sure you can get the approximate same results on other combos but saying it's useless is just a shit take 100%.

GH cap at 6iu? I guess that's why NONE of the pros run it that low lol.

Glad to hew this as dbol is one of the very few compounds that actually work for me

Big Paul also says to throw dbol in the trash

[dj181]

Furthermore these bitches should be ashamed of ripping off Victor Black word for word without giving credit. I've said Victor is the biggest piece of shit I've seen on social media BUT most of these guys just use VC's talking points without anything original coming from themselves. Jewett was "coached" for free by Victor. Then Jewett starts a money making scam selling Victor's info in his "University" course for 2 thousand bucks or whatever it was! When Victor sold his original info and more for 50 bucks lol. I wasn't a member of Vic's site but could probably cite his main talking points in one page, just based on his instagram posts lol. Even Vic says there's practically nothing to succes in bb, you could condense all the necessary important info on how to become a champion into just a
few centences.

I don't feel bad for Victor but this is just shameless lol. This whole "coaching" scene is a joke.

Just the test was probably 5 grams, maybe total was like 10 grams. Just the Anadrol was at times 3.5 grams a week lol. Not that it's important info "for us" but these absolute freaks have all been "up there." I say, and apparently others do too, that the average pro dose for shows is 4 grams plus nowadays. Maybe it's not even needed but they still do it.

You're probably right about open pros being on 4+ grams

Big Paul is on 3 gram a gram of test mast and primo and it looks like he will be 230's on stage at 6'2

Pros are like 240-250 onstage at 5'9 so 5 inches shorter than him and 10-20 pounds heavier

[joswift]

You're probably right about open pros being on 4+ grams

Big Paul is on 3 gram a gram of test mast and primo and it looks like he will be 230's on stage at 6'2

Pros are like 240-250 onstage at 5'9 so 5 inches shorter than him and 10-20 pounds heavier

really?
You never said....

[falco]

Bodybuilding is a very ungratefull thing. 2+2 doesnt always equal 4. Sometimes it's 3, sometimes it's 5. If you are a 3, like OP and myself, own it. No matter how much food or hormones you take, it's not going to happen.  Just enjoy what you have and move on.

[Van_Bilderass]

Glad to hew this as dbol is one of the very few compounds that actually work for me

Big Paul also says to throw dbol in the trash

This is all based on Victor citing some study on mouse brains or test tube or something where Dianabol was more "neurotoxic" than other steroids. Note that all steroids are neurotoxic at high doses. Victor saidto observe older bodybuilders and note how they appear "off" in their cognitive abilities. I don't know if this is others' experience but older bodybuilders may be a little "flat" or emotionless, or that's how I often perceive them. If this is actually a roid side or just my ingination, I don't know. But Victor warns of perhaps dementia developing, or at least earlier, if you use lots of steroids. Maybe that is a legit concern. But most don't use Dianabol year round these days. Tren is supposedly the worst in this aspect from what they say. Well it's very potent overall so it makes sense in this aspect as well. But anyway, if Dianabol is slightly more potentially neurotoxic, or even a lot more, it does not necessarily that actual neural damage occurs to a degree that is acrually relevant. "They" also recommend antioxidants that are potentially protective for the brain, and specialised braindrugs like Noopept. If they will actually offset brain damage from steroids is anyone's guess though. But sure, you the demonstratably effective antioxidants when blasting a lot of roids, probably protective for the not just the brain but also the heart, kidneys, liver etc. NAC, glutathione injects or glut boosters, melatonin (for the brain), herbal antioxidants, vitamin c and so on.

But to then say Dianabol is useless and belongs in the trash? Come on, everyone knows it's very effective as oral steroids go, plus it makes many feel wonderful which is fucking important lol, who wants to use anabolics that make you feel shit. Then others will say for example, but Turinabol works great but without the water! But ever think the water is some of the effect you may actually want? Just because you had moon face with Dianabol and Sustanon 3 decades ago when you were a fat kid doesn't mean you'd be extremely water logged from it today. No one does it nowadays because it's become a truism that Dianabol is for off season only, MAYBE, but I already know it would work just fine even in the last phase of prep. When was actual water REALLY the problem for a competing bb? 99% of the time the "water" is fat. Anyone disagree? Dianabol rarely actually make you hold extracellular water in your ankles or whatever where you know you actually have a problem.

These guys belong in the trash lol. But again, this is just MY perspective, no ansolute statements where there are no exceptions etc. 

I would still say a first cycle of testosterone and Dianabol is a wonderful choice for first cycle, probably the best! Feel great, near immediate gains, get strong, what's not to love?

Another long ass post onjust Dianabol 

[dj181]

Bodybuilding is a very ungratefull thing. 2+2 doesnt always equal 4. Sometimes it's 3, sometimes it's 5. If you are a 3, like OP and myself, own it. No matter how much food or hormones you take, it's not going to happen.  Just enjoy what you have and move on.

Problem is these dudes never really address fellas like you and I

Can't speak for you but I know I don't have size genetics but I have The Shape genetics and I know I could never be 200 @ 5% no matter what I did or took it just ain't in my cards

But I can have The Shape at 165 or so which I'm in fact headed for right now as my waist is still 28.5 inches and my chest and shoulders are only one inch away from thier maxed out size which I had weighing 20 more pounds than I weigh now but my waist was 4.5 inches bigger than so as I said I'm heading in the right direction

Anyways they should address this as not everyone wants to weigh or can weigh 220+

Wish to fuck Zane's cycle of 100 primo and 15 dbol worked for.me but it seems that 200 test and 200 deca might be all I need

[38 returns]

Again everyone is different some people prefer and do better on different compounds than others. All the different compounds really do the same thing and it is just a matter of which ones cause water retention and estrogen issues or mental and which don't. Then yeah precontest they get their dosages up and get that hardened look using orals.

But there is no right or wrong dosage of any particular thing for anyone.

Beware of anyone who speaks in absolutes.

The biggest cost of bodybuilding is not gear it is FOOD if you can't afford gear you can't afford food you can't afford to bodybuild

bullshit

take 300mg aspirin you will be fine
take 30gm you will die

you are a moron and have noe xpeirece of anything other than yourself. and after 20 years you look like a swimmer on first cycle. you just reiterate anything you have heard and pass it off.

[dj181]

This is all based on Victor citing some study on mouse brains or test tube or something where Dianabol was more "neurotoxic" than other steroids. Note that all steroids are neurotoxic at high doses. Victor saidto observe older bodybuilders and note how they appear "off" in their cognitive abilities. I don't know if this is others' experience but older bodybuilders may be a little "flat" or emotionless, or that's how I often perceive them. If this is actually a roid side or just my ingination, I don't know. But Victor warns of perhaps dementia developing, or at least earlier, if you use lots of steroids. Maybe that is a legit concern. But most don't use Dianabol year round these days. Tren is supposedly the worst in this aspect from what they say. Well it's very potent overall so it makes sense in this aspect as well. But anyway, if Dianabol is slightly more potentially neurotoxic, or even a lot more, it does not necessarily that actual neural damage occurs to a degree that is acrually relevant. "They" also recommend antioxidants that are potentially protective for the brain, and specialised braindrugs like Noopept. If they will actually offset brain damage from steroids is anyone's guess though.

But to then say Dianabol is useless and belongs in the trash? Come on, everyone knows it's very effective as oral steroids go, plus it makes many feel wonderful which is fucking important lol, who wants to use anabolics that make you feel shit. Then others will say for example, but Turinabol works great but without the water! But ever think the water is some of the effect you may actually want? Just because you had moon face with Dianabol and Sustanon 3 decades ago when you were a fat kid doesn't mean you'd be extremely water logged from it today. No one does it nowadays because it's become a truism that Dianabol is for off season only, MAYBE, but I already know it would work just fine even in the last phase of prep. When was actual water REALLY the problem for a competing bb? 99% of the time the "water" is fat. Anyone disagree?

These guys belong in the trash lol. But again, this is just MY perspective, no ansolute statements where there are no exceptions etc. 

I would still say a first cycle of testosterone and Dianabol is a wonderful choice for first cycle, probably the best! Feel great, near immediate gains, get strong, what's not to love?

They say tren is the most neurotoxic BY FAR so not a good choice for.someone with BPD like me😄 They also say it and eq are very kidney toxic which is very bad

I'm on dbol now and I'm very lean and  pretty dry but these dudes got me worried that I probably have high estrogen running dbol with deca and test so I'm really curious how and if my look will change once I stop the dbol and then if I replace it with var I can also see what happens and if I will be drier and harder

Since I'm like 5-6% bodyfat extrogen would be raised less in my case right? Also I'm not running a high dose of any of those 3 compounds 200/200/20

Vigorous Steve is gonna drop his deca vid real soon so I'll be learning lots there and maybe have some answers