rip DONALD SUTHERLAND

[karasan]

Many can get away with playing a role that fits their mannerisms. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone cleverly devised such careers, as did Clint Eastwood and Robert De Niro. It's really shocking when you consider how many of the Hollywood greats are mostly playing themselves or their alter egos. But you still need some kind of immense charisma, presence, or aura—however you want to call it.
The T2 bar scene that Arnold's bastard son tried to imitate made me aware of what happens when an ordinary person tries to replicate iconic scenes: a failure of grand scale.
There are movie actors, and then there are the likes of Richard Burton, Marlon Brando, Daniel Day-Lewis—massively gifted, one-in-a-million types.

[Fortress]

Many can get away with playing a role that fits their mannerisms. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone cleverly devised such careers, as did Clint Eastwood and Robert De Niro. It's really shocking when you consider how many of the Hollywood greats are mostly playing themselves or their alter egos. But you still need some kind of immense charisma, presence, or aura—however you want to call it.
The T2 bar scene that Arnold's bastard son tried to imitate made me aware of what happens when an ordinary person tries to replicate iconic scenes: a failure of grand scale.
There are movie actors, and then there are the likes of Richard Burton, Marlon Brando, Daniel Day-Lewis—massively gifted, one-in-a-million types.

“Massively gifted, one-in-a-million types”

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahaha

Save it, Poindexter.

“Immense charisma”

Hahahahahahaha

That immense charisma is largely a function of the big screen and its inherent immortalizing mojo.

Without it, you’d encounter any one of these “artists” in a convenience store and register a big nothing.

[njflex]

Many can get away with playing a role that fits their mannerisms. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone cleverly devised such careers, as did Clint Eastwood and Robert De Niro. It's really shocking when you consider how many of the Hollywood greats are mostly playing themselves or their alter egos. But you still need some kind of immense charisma, presence, or aura—however you want to call it.
The T2 bar scene that Arnold's bastard son tried to imitate made me aware of what happens when an ordinary person tries to replicate iconic scenes: a failure of grand scale.
There are movie actors, and then there are the likes of Richard Burton, Marlon Brando, Daniel Day-Lewis—massively gifted, one-in-a-million types.

lee marvin..

[Humble Narcissist]

“The science on this is quite clear.”

Give it a rest.

What a GIANT load of horseshit you’ve served up.

Acting, as a creative talent, is low rent.

Almost all the real talent in a great movie is behind the camera. The script writers, director, editors, score composer, costume/set designers, etc.

Take your drama-school bullshit somewhere else.

Being a writer would be the best job in Hollywood.

[Kwon]

He appeared in some good flicks and was likeable enough.

As far as his acting skills, well, it is acting. Not exactly a rare “talent”, seeing as how everyone, be it a kid, singer, rapper, etc., can handle the gig.

When people state so-and-so is a great actor or actress, what they almost always mean to say is, they a) like how he/she looks, b) like the actor’s natural mannerisms, etc., c) they dig the dialogue (very rarely written by the actor), d) they really enjoy the movies he or she chooses to pursue inclusion.

Very slowly the Hollywood myth of “great thespian art” is eroding.

A majority of folks can act with reasonable authenticity. And the margin between absolutely competent and “great” is almost always movie, script, direction, and editing.

Anyway, that’s my rant.

RIP Donald

Donald could play hero, villain, good, bad, crazy and everything in between,

The Rock cannot

[Van_Bilderass]

I often think about what makes a great actor. Some movies are so B where every actor looks ridiculous so some of the magic must be behind the camera. But other than that, I simply think some people are just more pleasant to look at, or look villaneous. Have pleasant voices. Memorable looks, imperfections, I'm now thinking of that negro with the droopy eye for example.

I haven't studies it but maybe some actors really have trained themselves to become great actors, versatile ones. From what I've seen Meryl Streep always gets mentioned as the top of the top.

I do sometimes think if great directors could capture a great looking scene with nice dialogue with just about anyone, even myself perhaps. Probably could, just find a quirk in someone's mannerisms and put it in a context that fits.

Just some thoughts 

[BayGBM]

My favorite Donald Sutherland role was in Klute.  Jane was great in this movie too.

x2.  Both have been around forever.  Fonda got her first Oscar for that role.

[BB]

Donald could play hero, villain, good, bad, crazy and everything in between,

The Rock cannot

.

.

Case in point.

I suppose the best complement I can give him is that even if I didn't like a film he was in, I'd always enjoy his performances. He was the rare combination of a leading actor with character actor chops.

[Fortress]

Donald could play hero, villain, good, bad, crazy, and everything in between,

The Rock cannot.

And you know this how?

Also, Rock got into movies well into his adulthood with zero training.

Says pretty much everything that needs to be said.

Note: Some actors are better than others, sure, but the sheer amount if people who, a considerable percentage who’ve never had formal classes, can jump cold into it, and perform at least adequately, is staggering.

Mountains of CHILDREN do it, with zippo experience.

To pen a killer story, or dialogue its script for a movie, now that is a heck of a talent.

Or to direct something into a viewable masterpiece.

[Kwon]

I often think about what makes a great actor. Some movies are so B where every actor looks ridiculous so some of the magic must be behind the camera. But other than that, I simply think some people are just more pleasant to look at, or look villaneous. Have pleasant voices. Memorable looks, imperfections, I'm now thinking of that negro with the droopy eye for example.

Forrest Whittaker or Tommy Wiseau?

Which actor do you prefer in Action , Drama , Comedy , Sci Fi, Horror, X-rated

[dj181]

lee marvin..

John Wayne

[pamith]

R.I.P.

[Goliathon]

Acting, as a creative talent, is low rent.

Almost all the real talent in a great movie is behind the camera. The script writers, director, editors, score composer, costume/set designers, etc.

What do you suppose directors, writers, editors do?

They get actors to do what they want, the worst the actor the harder they have to work to have the same effect on the audience.

Great actors make things happen, when they otherwise wouldn't. Small things like how someone frames their shoulders and hips makes a huge difference in how a shot is made by the director. A good actor can make lines work and create continuity from lines used in previous shots. The editor has to be really active when dialogue doesn't fly naturally and communicate to the audience, their job is much easier when people are well timed with their lines and can carry something.

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about. 

Take your drama-school bullshit somewhere else.

I love how I have to be some libtard to know the basics of acting. It's not some uber secret, that some people can really act. It's common knowledge you just insist on snowflaking.

EDIT: I detest when someone tries to trivialise the skills of people who have real skill . I don't give a shit if it's a carpenter, lawyer, actor, musician, athletes, you name it. It just leads us to a godless society where we trivialise the greatness of the world.

[Goliathon]

And you know this how?

Also, Rock got into movies well into his adulthood with zero training.

Says pretty much everything that needs to be said.

Imagine random actors playing a celebrity sports tournament, that's how most people feel about the rock.

No one is signing him up to win the world series. He's never ever ever ever ever getting an Oscar.

In addition to all that he was literally a wrestler before he became an actor. He got famous because of his ability to speak on the mic, otherwise he was just a generic Samoan.

Note: Some actors are better than others, sure, but the sheer amount if people who, a considerable percentage who’ve never had formal classes, can jump cold into it, and perform at least adequately, is staggering.

Anyone can dribble a ball and shoot a few hoops. If you don't understand the sport, sure you can be convinced random person x got the chops.

Mountains of CHILDREN do it, with zippo experience.

Are you seriously fucking thinking an ordinary child is gonna win an Oscar?

The rare kid that can actually act usually can do so because their parents trained them endlessly since the day they could literally speak.

To pen a killer story, or dialogue its script for a movie, now that is a heck of a talent.

Or to direct something into a viewable masterpiece.

You can write the absolute best dialogue ever written, and if you don't have the acting chops to make it work it's just words on a page. It's the same with framing shots and editing, heck even costumes and music. The actors are integral to setting the tone.

Great Directors/writers are always forced to deal with the limitations of their actors. Films get edited and recut all the time because a relatively well known name can't carry the directors vision for what the movie should be.

[ChristopherA]

What do you suppose directors, writers, editors do?

They get actors to do what they want, the worst the actor the harder they have to work to have the same effect on the audience.

Great actors make things happen, when they otherwise wouldn't. Small things like how someone frames their shoulders and hips makes a huge difference in how a shot is made by the director. A good actor can make lines work and create continuity from lines used in previous shots. The editor has to be really active when dialogue doesn't fly naturally and communicate to the audience, their job is much easier when people are well timed with their lines and can carry something.

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about. 
 

I love how I have to be some libtard to know the basics of acting. It's not some uber secret, that some people can really act. It's common knowledge you just insist on snowflaking.

EDIT: I detest when someone tries to trivialise the skills of people who have real skill . I don't give a shit if it's a carpenter, lawyer, actor, musician, athletes, you name it. It just leads us to a godless society where we trivialise the greatness of the world.

You're arguing with someone devoid of personality and charisma. Two things valuable to actors. Of course he dismisses other with those traits

[Humble Narcissist]

And you know this how?

Also, Rock got into movies well into his adulthood with zero training.

Says pretty much everything that needs to be said.

Note: Some actors are better than others, sure, but the sheer amount if people who, a considerable percentage who’ve never had formal classes, can jump cold into it, and perform at least adequately, is staggering.

Mountains of CHILDREN do it, with zippo experience.

To pen a killer story, or dialogue its script for a movie, now that is a heck of a talent.

Or to direct something into a viewable masterpiece.

Pro wrestling is acting.

[Van_Bilderass]

What do you suppose directors, writers, editors do?

They get actors to do what they want, the worst the actor the harder they have to work to have the same effect on the audience.

Great actors make things happen, when they otherwise wouldn't. Small things like how someone frames their shoulders and hips makes a huge difference in how a shot is made by the director. A good actor can make lines work and create continuity from lines used in previous shots. The editor has to be really active when dialogue doesn't fly naturally and communicate to the audience, their job is much easier when people are well timed with their lines and can carry something.

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about. 
 

I love how I have to be some libtard to know the basics of acting. It's not some uber secret, that some people can really act. It's common knowledge you just insist on snowflaking.

EDIT: I detest when someone tries to trivialise the skills of people who have real skill . I don't give a shit if it's a carpenter, lawyer, actor, musician, athletes, you name it. It just leads us to a godless society where we trivialise the greatness of the world.

Question. Can great acting really be learned? Even something like posing in bodybuilding is innate, either you know how to move or you don't, you can't really learn it. In other words, are the actors really thinking how "they are framing the shoulders" or is it more subconscious?

As in so much, I believe genes are what matter most. But maybe some can really train themselves to be great actors, I'm not saying it can't happen but I bet it's mostly innate. This probably isn't even disagreeing with your point.

[Palumboism]

Pro wrestling is acting.

I was thinking the same thing. 

[njflex]

Question. Can great acting really be learned? Even something like posing in bodybuilding is innate, either you know how to move or you don't, you can't really learn it. In other words, are the actors really thinking how "they are framing the shoulders" or is it more subconscious?

As in so much, I believe genes are what matter most. But maybe some can really train themselves to be great actors, I'm not saying it can't happen but I bet it's mostly innate. This probably isn't even disagreeing with your point.

Can great acting be learned ? There are thousands and thousands of people Itake acting classes and then they acting schools and then there’s plenty of actors that never took an acting class got plucked out of a crowd and became a star who knows.

[BB]

It's empathy, plus technical knowledge. The highest level actors have a high level of empathetic functioning, and are able to cycle through it fast enough to make it look good on screen. Schooling can make you better at it, but it's still natural talent. 

[joswift]

Can great acting be learned ? There are thousands and thousands of people Itake acting classes and then they acting schools and then there’s plenty of actors that never took an acting class got plucked out of a crowd and became a star who knows.

you need to be good looking or quirky, being Jewish is a huge benefit as well..
Emma Stone one of the ugliest kunts in Hollywood is flavour of the month right now because she got her horrible tits out in "Poor Things"

They create this "oh she must be good"
Timothy Chalamet just turned up and has been in nearly every movie made in the last 4 years