Old-timer1 will love this

[dj181]

[BigRo]

Looks like he stopped training. Looks like he did not have a natural foundation prior.

[joswift]

Looks like he stopped training. Looks like he did not have a natural foundation prior.

If you stop the gear and stop training you will look untrained, its because you are.

What do people expect?

[MAXX]

steroids works big suprise.

he doesn't look untrained in the after pic. He just looks natural. Probably his natural test crashed though so maybe he would look slightly better if his natural levels bounced back.

[oldtimer1]

If you stop the gear and stop training you will look untrained, its because you are.

What do people expect?

Really, if you stopped gear and trained for a year you would retain your gains? Nope, you would look like crap after a year of zero testosterone supplements.

These guys just stopped training, right? They would have looked great if they just kept it up. (sarcasm)

[BigRo]

Yes they stopped training.

[MAXX]

Yes they stopped training.

you wouldn't train off gear either.

[oldtimer1]

Yes they stopped training.

You're in denial.  You know they would regress at warp speed off of gear.

[BigRo]

You're in denial.  You know they would regress at warp speed off of gear.

Your example is not so good because they both stopped training. I know what it is like to come off.

[BigRo]

you wouldn't train off gear either.

I would just not as much.

[oldtimer1]

Your example is not so good because they both stopped training. I know what it is like to come off.

You came off for six months or took a two month vacation off gear?

[BigRo]

You came off for six months or took a two month vacation off gear?

I came off completely for 4 years.

[visualizeperfection]

If you stop the gear and stop training you will look untrained, its because you are.

What do people expect?

In all fairness the untrained photo looks like dj with a tan and bit of extra food.

[dj181]

In all fairness the untrained photo looks like dj with a tan and bit of extra food.

Hahahaha

Nice try

[Irongrip400]

I juiced four times in college. The first time I came off I actually got bigger and stronger than I was on gear. Not by much, but a bit. Second and third time I was the same weight but not as strong. Fourth time I was a mutant and hurt myself and thus was not as big and strong the last time.

[MajorDomo]

Lots of people in denial- the reason the dude looked good in the first place was totally roids. Stop lying to yourself.

[dj181]

Lots of people in denial- the reason the dude looked good in the first place was totally roids. Stop lying to yourself.

Roids.plus a great response to them

Most fellas who use do not respond like that I'm a case in point 😁

My response is maybe a little better than average at least when it comes to the conditioning aspect but the size gaining aspect definitely subpar

I'd say most guys response is subpar as there are lots of guys who use but not too many look really good

Also you can look ok without them if you keep training and don't overeat like a fucking dipshit but of course you will not look as good

[Brenda Steunbeer]

A belly button that grows 5 times larger is a side effect from gear?

[Humble Narcissist]

I came off completely for 4 years.

What were the results?

[Marvin Martian]

Hahahaha

Nice try

I find it VERY hard to believe that this is not a natural physique. Why in the hell would anyone need drugs to obtain this??

[Van_Bilderass]

If there is a huge change, all the better. It's worse for some of us who don't get huge effects. oldtimer1 always says users don't want to admit their great physiques are completely drug dependent. But what if you don't even get a great physique lol. I like steroids because they make me feel strong and training is much more fun.

Regarding coming off. Everyone always says when you come off you will feel like shit and be depressed but for some coming off is a huge relief actually. Like my training partner just took 6 weeks off and said how much better he feels, much more stable mentally, much better sleep, no sweating, lost 15lbs of bloat and so on. But I know from experience that soon he will be itching to start again. He always does.
But this is with PED doses, like a gram of test as a base. By just restoring your levels or just a bit above you usually don't get all those sides, instead you feel more stable, sleep better and so on.

[MAXX]

A belly button that grows 5 times larger is a side effect from gear?

Just effect of having lower sub q bf and more muscle at the same time.

[Marvin Martian]

Lots of people in denial- the reason the dude looked good in the first place was totally roids. Stop lying to yourself.

I do not understand why in the absolute fck anyone CARES what someone else does? I think I would blow my brains out if I ever gave one ounce of one fck about another man so long as he doesn’t affect me or my family. Testosterone enhances the life of millions of men (and women) and dramatically improves health for those that use responsibly. There is absolutely no drug that is (safe). In fact there should be lawsuits against those touting the gene modification drug that they called a covid vaccine as safe is a word that is NEVER used about ANY drug.
Have a headache? Pop open a bottle of aspirin and take a few handfulls - you’ll no longer be able to talk, but if you could you would definitely say aspirin ain’t “safe”
But to blanketly say using steroids is bad is so pathetically stupid too.

[BigRo]

What were the results?

Depends what one defines as results. I lost interest in bodybuilding, for about half a year I trained my whole body once a week and did intensive yoga practise and hiking the rest of the time. I ate less. I did not try and maintain size and strength and therefore lost alot. Gradually I began to train more and eat more and become more grounded but I never had a major depression or anything. I still had morning wood but lost interest in following through on sexual desires. Actually for a year and a half I practiced total celibacy. I was alone at the time. No masturbation, no porn, no orgasms except for a few nocturnal emissions, no lusting after the asses of girls walking on the street. My inner energy was so elevated I would have Divine experiences of ecstasy at night during sleep, an energy so blissful and powerful would flow up and down my spine and fill my brain with bliss like nothing else could.

4 years from 2016-2020 I was natural (after a few years of blasting and cruising with a few couple of month total breaks) and looking back I wonder if I should have gone back on again but I missed the feeling in the gym, the intensity etc. It was not a career move, bodybuilding is not my career, I work as a personal trainer and still have my forties to figure out how to generate financial freedom. It wont be as another influencer basing his following and income upon his enhanced physique. I dont even want to encourage people to go this route.

[Raymondo]

Hahahaha

Nice try

Chest is shredded bro. Not bad at all.