Trump Assassination Attempt - 07-13-24

[joswift]

What would you need to see at this point to prove to you it was not an inside job?  What would do it?

You are starting from a false premise , what makes you think people think it was an inside job?

[visualizeperfection]

I don’t need a conspiracy explanation when incompetence is a simple enough explanation.

[Dokey111]

Someone said it earlier - how did he KNOW that he would be able to get on top of that roof and fire those shots?  He KNEW no one would stop him.

At least Oswald, you know he was up there hidden in that book depository (if that's what happened), you couldn't see him in broad daylight like you could this guy.

[Never1AShow]

You are starting from a false premise , what makes you think people think it was an inside job?

All of obsidian and others posts above. Isn’t that what they’re claiming? And I’m not trying to be cute, by inside job, I’m just referring to people within govt/secret service actually being involved in the shooting plot, or even intentionally setting up a flawed security plan to put Trump at risk. Like telling people to leave that roof open and ignoring any objection.

One thing that I think could do it would be a no holds barred answer any questions asked public televised hearing with SS/FBI and cops on scene. Public release of law enforcement radio traffic logs and audio. Public release of the operation plan. Stuff like that. And then I’d still need to know more about the shooter, things identifying the motive and political valence so his doing this made more sense.

Maybe we can get a similar press conference with Hankins after the Cutler.

[Never1AShow]

Someone said it earlier - how did he KNOW that he would be able to get on top of that roof and fire those shots?  He KNEW no one would stop him.

At least Oswald, you know he was up there hidden in that book depository (if that's what happened), you couldn't see him in broad daylight like you could this guy.

Speaking of this, if anyone is ever in Dallas I highly recommend going to that place. It’s a museum and I think free to get in. You can look right out the window Oswald was at and it’s arranged just like it was. Also can see grassy knoll, overpass where car drives through after the shots, all that stuff. You absolutely won’t regret taking a couple hours to see it. Plus there’s often people there hawking stuff or wanting to discuss or who were there that day.

[beakdoctor]

Someone said it earlier - how did he KNOW that he would be able to get on top of that roof and fire those shots?  He KNEW no one would stop him.

At least Oswald, you know he was up there hidden in that book depository (if that's what happened), you couldn't see him in broad daylight like you could this guy.

He didn't know. He took the path of leadt resistance.  If that roof was secure, he would've went to another spot that was poorly covered.... then THAT would be the question. How did he know no one was guarding the tree? How did he know no one was guarding the water silo? How did he know no one was guarding the tool shed? Or wherever he wound up.

[WrongAdvices]

Well, one way I guess he knew is that he flew a drone over earlier that day and did a lot of scouting it out.  We know about drones and porn on the phone but with all the drip, drip, drip narrative managing still no recent photos of the long haired freak

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/trump-gunman-flew-drone-over-rally-site-hours-before-attempted-assassination-2d0e2e1a?mod=hp_lead_pos8

[obsidian]

You guys do know that the government has developed more sophisticated ways to eliminate politicians.

The rooftop gunman? Really? This was the work of an inside operation? This kid was a loon, he took advantage of a lax security detail.

The secret service? It's not like they get a whole lotta action. Maybe once every decade or every other decade they are required to spring into action. Most of tgeir time is spent chasing paper hangers (counterfeiters) it's not like their a crack unit who see a lot of action in the field. They train for stuff that 99.9999999% of them will never actually see. Federal law enforcement are some of the most arrogant people,  wholly lacking in common sense and actual experience.

The sniper on the roof. Thats original. Inside operators are trying to figure out the most ironclad way to eliminate a political liability and they come up with..... a gunman on a roof. Only an idiot/mentally ill person would attempt it. One did and in doing so exposed the secret service as totally unprepared.

You are saying the government can kill in more sophisticated ways and that a sniper on the roof is too obvious.

Did you ever stop and think that perhaps they anticipate that people like you would claim that? So now they can go and do the obvious thing and you will buy the loony kid argument because that's what you think they are thinking.

LMFAO! You are giving them an alibi. They can now kill in obvious ways, it will be blamed on government incompetence and loony shooters, because you think they would not possibly kill in obvious ways.

Brilliant!

Oh, and they are very sophisticated when it comes to killing. But incompetent when it comes to protecting an ex-President.

Your reasoning is full of holes.

[obsidian]

Well, one way I guess he knew is that he flew a drone over earlier that day and did a lot of scouting it out.  We know about drones and porn on the phone but with all the drip, drip, drip narrative managing still no recent photos of the long haired freak

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/trump-gunman-flew-drone-over-rally-site-hours-before-attempted-assassination-2d0e2e1a?mod=hp_lead_pos8

I thought drones were banned. And doesn't the Secret Service clear a site well in advance? This sounds like more bullshit to me.

As I said, the Secret Service is very competent when they want to be per their Deep State orders.

Drones weren't allowed at a Biden event before Trump's assassination attempt.

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/dont-fly-drones-during-biden-visit-faa-warns/

AUSTIN (KXAN) — Drone owners need to be aware of flight restrictions Monday during President Joe Biden’s visit to Austin, and that their drones could be seized or destroyed by federal agents.

Starting at 11:15 a.m. on Monday, the Federal Aviation Administration will have “temporary flight restrictions for VIP movement” in place, per a notice to air missions (NOTAM) issued Friday morning.

The area covers a radius of 30 nautical miles, centered on a point in east Austin. That area stretches from Georgetown and Liberty Hill in the North, to San Marcos and Lockhart in the South. In the East, it covers TX-95 from Taylor to Bastrop. In the West, Dripping Springs, Wimberly and Bee Cave.

[obsidian]

All of obsidian and others posts above. Isn’t that what they’re claiming? And I’m not trying to be cute, by inside job, I’m just referring to people within govt/secret service actually being involved in the shooting plot, or even intentionally setting up a flawed security plan to put Trump at risk. Like telling people to leave that roof open and ignoring any objection.

One thing that I think could do it would be a no holds barred answer any questions asked public televised hearing with SS/FBI and cops on scene. Public release of law enforcement radio traffic logs and audio. Public release of the operation plan. Stuff like that. And then I’d still need to know more about the shooter, things identifying the motive and political valence so his doing this made more sense.

Maybe we can get a similar press conference with Hankins after the Cutler.

If your job is to protect Trump, why would you do the things they did? It's beyond incompetence. They were complicit. The Secret Service is trained for scenarios like these and is supposed to act IMMEDIATELY without thinking. There is no waiting until 8 rounds go off.

[WrongAdvices]

If your job is to protect Trump, why would you do the things they did? It's beyond incompetence. They were complicit. The Secret Service is trained for scenarios like these and is supposed to act IMMEDIATELY without thinking. There is no waiting until 8 rounds go off.

Because of the information we do not know (and may never know), I think yours is the more reasonable view, past pure incompetence and into some degree of culpability/complicity in placing Trump in danger. 

If the facts are as they seem to be: 1) not finding and talking to the shooter despite early reports (at least an hour before); 2) having no one on that roof; 3) knowing of an armed person on roof several minutes in advance of Trump taking stage; 4) still allowing Trump to take stage; and 5) still having time to take him out before he shot but, not doing so, it seems pretty damning. Add to these 6) the bullshit excuses being offered (sloped roof) and it's even moreso.

[Brenda Steunbeer]

I don’t need a conspiracy explanation when incompetence is a simple enough explanation.

American secret service often seems to think they are an international rock band on tour.

In reality they are civil servants often behaving very unprofessionally. This usually is the case with parts of the government doing whatever they like due to arrogance, and a lack of oversight and discipline.

[visualizeperfection]

American secret service often seems to think they are an international rock band on tour.

In reality they are civil servants often behaving very unprofessionally. This usually is the case with parts of the government doing whatever they like due to arrogance, and a lack of oversight and discipline.

They’re dogshit. Not really a new thing. They’ve always been dogshit.

Former operators and other high end special operations guys don’t go secret service. You more than likely need a degree, that crushes any chance of anyone worth a shit.

[beakdoctor]

You are saying the government can kill in more sophisticated ways and that a sniper on the roof is too obvious.

Did you ever stop and think that perhaps they anticipate that people like you would claim that? So now they can go and do the obvious thing and you will buy the loony kid argument because that's what you think they are thinking.

LMFAO! You are giving them an alibi. They can now kill in obvious ways, it will be blamed on government incompetence and loony shooters, because you think they would not possibly kill in obvious ways.

Brilliant!

Oh, and they are very sophisticated when it comes to killing. But incompetent when it comes to protecting an ex-President.

Your reasoning is full of holes.

Obsidian, you're completely melting down. You're applying 20/20 hindsight to a lens of paranoia no less.

You said 'they are trained to act, without thinking' No. You are wrong.

Im not 'giving them an alibi.' I'm giving you my opinion.

You know next to nothing about the secret service, what they do or how they train. Your imagination is running wild.

You forget this security detail does this every single day. Day in, day out. City to city, town to town, and it is not exciting. It is monotonous. When not doing executive protection, your average secret service agent sees about as much action as a computer engineer.  They were lax, they were lazy and they were caught lacking.

When was the last time there was an assassination attempt on a US president? Its not like the secret service sees a lot of action. It's not like they're some crack unit or a well oiled
machine. Especially the frumpy crew Trump had.

Yeah, this kid, Crook, he's not a government assassin. And your argument is - people like me thinking like this is EXACTLY  why they used him? Why? Because my opinion matters? Or because he was so stealth? Seen by so many people? For a half hour to a hour before,  seen getting on the roof, reported on the roof?  Well then it mustve been the most poorly executed  assassination attempt of all time.

It was fucking amatuer hour and that kid was 100 % an amatuer. He made it as far as he did in spite of himself.

Yes, for an inside operation the government,  any government,  has so many ways to eliminate a political threat. I mean read a book for FFS about the shit the CIA was doing 60 years ago.

This whole thing is so fanciful to you that you can't help but get carried away with it.

Yeah, the deepest evil within the government is putting together a plan to kill the president... well it was the most idiotic plan in the history of assassinations. Yeah... this kid was the master assassin, and his 100% conspicuous approach to the building, to the rooftop, on the rooftop, was the airtight plan that almost worked. Face it IF the SS got their shots off first and killed crook before he took a shot, you wouldn't think it was an inside job. It's only because the secret service sucks that your imagination is running wild.

[obsidian]

Obsidian, you're completely melting down. You're applying 20/20 hindsight to a lens of paranoia no less.

You said 'they are trained to act, without thinking' No. You are wrong.

Im not 'giving them an alibi.' I'm giving you my opinion.

You know next to nothing about the secret service, what they do or how they train. Your imagination is running wild.

You forget this security detail does this every single day. Day in, day out. City to city, town to town, and it is not exciting. It is monotonous. When not doing executive protection, your average secret service agent sees about as much action as a computer engineer.  They were lax, they were lazy and they were caught lacking.

When was the last time there was an assassination attempt on a US president? Its not like the secret service sees a lot of action. It's not like they're some crack unit or a well oiled
machine. Especially the frumpy crew Trump had.

Yeah, this kid, Crook, he's not a government assassin. And your argument is - people like me thinking like this is EXACTLY  why they used him? Why? Because my opinion matters? Or because he was so stealth? Seen by so many people? For a half hour to a hour before,  seen getting on the roof, reported on the roof?  Well then it mustve been the most poorly executed  assassination attempt of all time.

It was fucking amatuer hour and that kid was 100 % an amatuer. He made it as far as he did in spite of himself.

Yes, for an inside operation the government,  any government,  has so many ways to eliminate a political threat. I mean read a book for FFS about the shit the CIA was doing 60 years ago.

This whole thing is so fanciful to you that you can't help but get carried away with it.

Yeah, the deepest evil within the government is putting together a plan to kill the president... well it was the most idiotic plan in the history of assassinations. Yeah... this kid was the master assassin, and his 100% conspicuous approach to the building, to the rooftop, on the rooftop, was the airtight plan that almost worked. Face it IF the SS got their shots off first and killed crook before he took a shot, you wouldn't think it was an inside job. It's only because the secret service sucks that your imagination is running wild.

You're the one melting down with that wall of text. And look at your spelling. Your heart is racing so fast you can't even think. Relax bro!!

It's simple. People like you don't want to accept that there can be conspiracies. The government and CIA know that. They are the ones that came up with the Conspiracy Theory label.

So given that, they can do anything out in the open because they know people like you will reason the way you do. Do you get that?!

You also claim the CIA and government is sophisticated and at the same time incompetent. Please, give me a break.

I can understand one Secret Service agent being incompetent but the whole bunch of them? And the police as well? No way. And like I said, if they were all this incompetent Biden, Pelosi, Obama and many others would have been taken out a long time ago. There's a long list of people that hate the fuck out of them. Wake up lemming!

[obsidian]

They’re dogshit. Not really a new thing. They’ve always been dogshit.

Former operators and other high end special operations guys don’t go secret service. You more than likely need a degree, that crushes any chance of anyone worth a shit.

It's not rocket science to secure an area. You put a body on each roof, you have people cover all areas, and confront and escort out any suspicious characters. Especially when spectators are there to help you find them! Fuck me it's not that hard people. This entire thing would have been avoidable if there was simply an agent or two on that roof. It's right across the lawn looking at Trump for fucks sake. The roof slope excuse is bullshit because they had agents on steeper sloped roofs already.

[obsidian]

Are we all being played? Are most events scripted? 

[Earl1972]

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[WrongAdvices]

GODDAMMIT CAN WE GET A PICTURE OR VIDEO OF HIM FROM THE LAST YEAR OR TWO?  HIGH SCHOOL WAS LONG AGO FOR THIS KID BUT THAT'S ALL THEY'RE SHOWING.

Wonder why?

[WrongAdvices]

Are we all being played? Are most events scripted? 

Seriously, if they scripted things they'd be more believable.

[joswift]

Set up arranged by the secret services with multiple people involved in the planning and all managing to keep it secret or a fuck up because people are generally morons?

why such an elaborate plan when it would be much easier to kill him in another way

Occams Razor

[Donny]

They want Tump gone simple as that.
The Democrats in the US are beyond evil.
The very people who shout about human rights.

[beakdoctor]

You're the one melting down with that wall of text. And look at your spelling. Your heart is racing so fast you can't even think. Relax bro!!

It's simple. People like you don't want to accept that there can be conspiracies. The government and CIA know that. They are the ones that came up with the Conspiracy Theory label.

So given that, they can do anything out in the open because they know people like you will reason the way you do. Do you get that?!

You also claim the CIA and government is sophisticated and at the same time incompetent. Please, give me a break.

I can understand one Secret Service agent being incompetent but the whole bunch of them? And the police as well? No way. And like I said, if they were all this incompetent Biden, Pelosi, Obama and many others would have been taken out a long time ago. There's a long list of people that hate the fuck out of them. Wake up lemming!

No. Im just trying to explain to you. You can't tell tone from text. My heart isn't racing and misspelled words only indicate that i don't care as much as you think I do. I wrote as much as I did so that i could illustrate the point and maybe get you to think a little bit.

Most federal agents are inept. Not all but an awful lot. And truth be told, there's not as much incompetence here as indifference.  I realize law enforcement,  fbi agents and secret service are all things you only see on TV and you are totally clueless so you make assumptions- assumptions based on what-you-dont know. So your imagination is indulging conspiracy tgeories that make no sense. You don't even need to be familiar with executive protection,  you just need to apply a little logic. But then again some people have logic AND experience.

Some were incompetent,  some were indifferent or lazy, some were certain that it would be just like every other town theyve been to with no problems, some were bored. A lot probably were prepared and ready but when every other person in your team isn't then the team breaks down. They were too comfortable with nothing like this happening beforehand.  Theres also an intelligence piece to executive protection that looks for an online footprint of any radical behavior, and threat assessments.  Almost all of them were over confident that would be just another "day in the office."

Lemming? Far from it. I have an informed opinion. Which you're interpreting as a 'racing heart' lol... It's the other way around. You only have TV as your base of knowledge for how these things go down...If you only knew what I know...  and if I told you, you wouldn't believe me anyway.... so carry on with your meltdown.

*BTW I usually agree with just about everything Ive seen you post... as far as I remember anyway. Normally I appreciate your take and opinion.  I think you are way off base here though.

[Kwon]

What would you need to see at this point to prove to you it was not an inside job?  What would do it?

It was an outside job.

If it was windier outside he wouldn't even have made the shot.

[Donny]

It was an outside job.

If it was windier outside he wouldn't even have made the shot.

Definitely wasn't a Pro ..5 shots & one near miss.
An amateur.
I don't need to be a sniper to get one hit at that range.
Any experienced person could have killed him.
Center of mass 2 rounds.