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[wes]

Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.

Berry DeMey

Born February 23, 1962

1980

Mr Holland - NPBO, Junior, 2nd
Holland Hercules - NPBO, Junior, 1st
Holland Iron Man - NPBO, Junior, 1st

1981

European Championships - WABBA, Junior, 3rd
Mr Holland - BBBN, Junior, 1st

1982

European Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
Holland Grand Prix - NBBF, HeavyWeight, 1st

1983

World Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 2nd

1984

World Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 2nd

1985

Olympia - IFBB, 6th
World Games, Overall Winner
World Games, HeavyWeight, 1st

1986

Night of Champions - IFBB, 6th
Olympia - IFBB, 5th

1987

Grand Prix France - IFBB, 6th
Grand Prix Germany (2) - IFBB, 9th
Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 6th
Olympia - IFBB, 6th

1988

Grand Prix England - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix France - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 2nd
Grand Prix Greece - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Italy - IFBB, 4th
Grand Prix Spain (2) - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 3rd
Olympia - IFBB, 3rd

1990

Grand Prix Holland - IFBB, 4th

1991

WBF Grand Prix - WBF, 3rd

1993

Night of Champions - IFBB, 10th

1994

Arnold Classic - IFBB, 15th

Magazines

1985 March   Vol 46, Num 3   Muscle and Fitness
1986 July   Vol 45, Num 5   IronMan
1986 August   Vol 47, Num 8   Muscle and Fitness
1986 December   Num 62   Muscle Mag International
1987 February   Num 132   Muscle Training Illustrated
1987 July   Vol 46, Num 5   IronMan
1987 December   Vol 48, Num 12   Muscle and Fitness
1988 December   Vol 47, Num 12   IronMan
1989 January   Vol 50, Num 1   Muscle and Fitness
1989 April   Vol 7, Num 2   Flex
1989 October   Vol 50, Num 10   Muscle and Fitness
1990 June   Num 160   Muscle Training Illustrated
1990 December   Vol 49, Num 12   IronMan
1990 December   Num 103   Muscle Mag International
1991 March   Vol 1, Num 2   Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1991 March   Vol 9, Num 1   Flex
1991 August   Vol 1, Num 7   Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1992 February   Vol 2, Num 2   Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1992 June   Vol 2, Num 6   Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1993 October   Vol 52, Num 10   IronMan
1998 September   Vol 57, Num 9   IronMan
© MuscleMemory

[falco]

Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.

Maybe he did not wanted to up the dose to enter the mass monster trend. Or he did up the dose but nothing significant happened, and he quit.

[wes]

Maybe he did not wanted to up the dose to enter the mass monster trend. Or he did up the dose but nothing significant happened, and he quit.

He was smart !

[Van_Bilderass]

They were on drugs back then. Yes, it's drugs. That's a stock response because you don't really know.  Which is fine but I'm curious if someone really knows

I've thought of this some. The difference is probably growth hormone. Either they didn't take it or the dose was abysmally small. Today they all take large doses of it year round. GH is lipolytic obviously and may affect the pattern or distribution of fat deposits too. But still, and this is a real mystery, why the comparatively "fat" backs today? I've said here many times that I think the ripped glutes today, that "everyone" seems to have today, which only Gaspari seemed to have at one point, has to do with growth hormone specifically, that's really the only explanation I can see. Or they were simply fatter back then and didn't diet as hard, which oldtimers don't want to accept
But it's also true guys stay leaner offseason today, some have some striations in their glutes all year, but "thick skin" on their backs. There really is no "off season" today where guys will eat like a "normal person" like many did in the past. Some even got off all drugs periods of times and tiday no one gets off, they are just cycled up and down at best, to avoid any useless and stressful to the body crash, a big yo-yoing of weight.

That's just in my humble opinion What do you, or anyone here, think about my hypothesis?

EDIT: if competing today with today's drugs Berry would have ripped glutes and 50% bigger delts with zero striations. If you look at these pics now you are probably struck by comparative lack of delts, at least I was, but we've been fooled to require bigger delts which is only due to massive scar tissue buildup from massive oil and steroid injections, which they  pretty much ALL do these days.

[BayGBM]

Staying in the great shape year around.

Bay likey.

[joswift]

I've thought of this some. The difference is probably growth hormone. Either they didn't take it or the dose was abysmally small. Today they all take large doses of it year round. GH is lipolytic obviously and may affect the pattern or distribution of fat deposits too. But still, and this is a real mystery, why the comparatively "fat" backs today? I've said here many times that I think the ripped glutes today, that "everyone" seems to have today, which only Gaspari seemed to have at one point, has to do with growth hormone specifically, that's really the only explanation I can see. Or they were simply fatter back then and didn't diet as hard, which oldtimers don't want to accept
But it's also true guys stay leaner offseason today, some have some striations in their glutes all year, but "thick skin" on their backs. There really is no "off season" today where guys will eat like a "normal person" like many did in the past. Some even got off all drugs periods of times and tiday no one gets off, they are just cycled up and down at best, to avoid any useless and stressful to the body crash, a big yo-yoing of weight.

That's just in my humble opinion What do you, or anyone here, think about my hypothesis?

EDIT: if competing today with today's drugs Berry would have ripped glutes and 50% bigger delts with zero striations. If you look at these pics now you are probably struck by comparative lack of delts, at least I was, but we've been fooled to require bigger delts which is only due to massive scar tissue buildup from massive oil and steroid injections, which they  pretty much ALL do these days.

Look at Lunsford last year, shredded glutes and yet a bloofy soft chest arms and delts

You see lots of ripped glutes these days but it comes with fat backs and even smooth quads FFS

[Van_Bilderass]

Look at Lunsford last year, shredded glutes and yet a bloofy soft chest arms and delts

You see lots of ripped glutes these days but it comes with fat backs and even smooth quads FFS

Exactly, but as I said it's kind of strange why the backs don't lose fat as much. Could insulin affect the distribution? Somehow I don't think so but maybe it would.

I still would like to know what exactly he injected in his lats. Very strange deformity with seeming pin pricks too A few pros like Milos said they completely missed it live, only saw it in pics.

[Taffin]

Doesn’t strike me like a guy who’s having health issues,but who knows.
Great to see guys like him Gaspari, Labrada, Benfatto, Strydom ,Vince Taylor, etc etc to keep grinding.

IIRC he only jumped back on the gas a few years ago to start promoting his brothers business - he was pretty lean the years before that

Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.

I don't think he was ever really forgiven for joining the WBF

I've thought of this some. The difference is probably growth hormone. Either they didn't take it or the dose was abysmally small. Today they all take large doses of it year round. GH is lipolytic obviously and may affect the pattern or distribution of fat deposits too. But still, and this is a real mystery, why the comparatively "fat" backs today? I've said here many times that I think the ripped glutes today, that "everyone" seems to have today, which only Gaspari seemed to have at one point, has to do with growth hormone specifically, that's really the only explanation I can see. Or they were simply fatter back then and didn't diet as hard, which oldtimers don't want to accept
But it's also true guys stay leaner offseason today, some have some striations in their glutes all year, but "thick skin" on their backs. There really is no "off season" today where guys will eat like a "normal person" like many did in the past. Some even got off all drugs periods of times and tiday no one gets off, they are just cycled up and down at best, to avoid any useless and stressful to the body crash, a big yo-yoing of weight.

That's just in my humble opinion What do you, or anyone here, think about my hypothesis?

EDIT: if competing today with today's drugs Berry would have ripped glutes and 50% bigger delts with zero striations. If you look at these pics now you are probably struck by comparative lack of delts, at least I was, but we've been fooled to require bigger delts which is only due to massive scar tissue buildup from massive oil and steroid injections, which they  pretty much ALL do these days.

I wonder how much cardio has to do with it - treadmill, stepper, whatever, for 30/60 mins nowadays seems normal even in the 'offseason' - not sure I ever remember it coming up in interviews with the '80s and '90s guys... just spitballing...

[IroNat]

Berry DeMey

Born February 23, 1962

1980

Mr Holland - NPBO, Junior, 2nd
Holland Hercules - NPBO, Junior, 1st
Holland Iron Man - NPBO, Junior, 1st

1981

European Championships - WABBA, Junior, 3rd
Mr Holland - BBBN, Junior, 1st

1982

European Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
Holland Grand Prix - NBBF, HeavyWeight, 1st

1983

World Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 2nd

1984

World Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 2nd

1985

Olympia - IFBB, 6th
World Games, Overall Winner
World Games, HeavyWeight, 1st

1986

Night of Champions - IFBB, 6th
Olympia - IFBB, 5th

1987

Grand Prix France - IFBB, 6th
Grand Prix Germany (2) - IFBB, 9th
Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 6th
Olympia - IFBB, 6th

1988

Grand Prix England - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix France - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 2nd
Grand Prix Greece - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Italy - IFBB, 4th
Grand Prix Spain (2) - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 3rd
Olympia - IFBB, 3rd

1990

Grand Prix Holland - IFBB, 4th

1991

WBF Grand Prix - WBF, 3rd

1993

Night of Champions - IFBB, 10th

1994

Arnold Classic - IFBB, 15th

Magazines

1985 March   Vol 46, Num 3   Muscle and Fitness
1986 July   Vol 45, Num 5   IronMan
1986 August   Vol 47, Num 8   Muscle and Fitness
1986 December   Num 62   Muscle Mag International
1987 February   Num 132   Muscle Training Illustrated
1987 July   Vol 46, Num 5   IronMan
1987 December   Vol 48, Num 12   Muscle and Fitness
1988 December   Vol 47, Num 12   IronMan
1989 January   Vol 50, Num 1   Muscle and Fitness
1989 April   Vol 7, Num 2   Flex
1989 October   Vol 50, Num 10   Muscle and Fitness
1990 June   Num 160   Muscle Training Illustrated
1990 December   Vol 49, Num 12   IronMan
1990 December   Num 103   Muscle Mag International
1991 March   Vol 1, Num 2   Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1991 March   Vol 9, Num 1   Flex
1991 August   Vol 1, Num 7   Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1992 February   Vol 2, Num 2   Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1992 June   Vol 2, Num 6   Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1993 October   Vol 52, Num 10   IronMan
1998 September   Vol 57, Num 9   IronMan
© MuscleMemory

I see no mention of the Charlotte Cup.

[wes]

I see no mention of the Charlotte Cup.

Way too advanced for Berry ! 

[38 returns]

I recall him at the world games in 85

he did a mad wobble type pose with his thighs- it looked freaky as hell I think dorian competed too and got either 5th or 7th I think??

[wes]

Look at Lunsford last year, shredded glutes and yet a bloofy soft chest arms and delts

You see lots of ripped glutes these days but it comes with fat backs and even smooth quads FFS

Similar to what I`ve been saying for a while now.....ripped glutes,yet no striated pecs.

REGRESSION OF PEACE

[Brenda Steunbeer]

Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.

Tore a pec while bench pressing in 1989:

https://www.musculardevelopment.com/news/the-mcgough-report/11830-berry-demey-a-dutch-master-the-day-his-dream-died-by-peter-mcgough.html

Photo I believe is 6 months after the injury / operation:

[LurkerNoMore]

It was such a bad week to be a dem that lurker started posting about bodybuilding. 

It's a bad week to be you any week to start posting about posting.  But then again, you really have nothing else to post about.

[LurkerNoMore]

Still haven't had anyone answer something for me. He was insanely shredded from the waist up. Yes, you don't see modern pros looking like that. From the waist down though, modern pros smoke him. Shredded glutes and carved out hamstrings that nobody had in the 80's. Or 90's for that matter. Why? What are modern guys doing to get like that from the waist down?

Just a guess here, but probably putting more emphasis on the lower half.  The guys in the 80s and 90s probably didn't attempt to make their lower half as freaky as someone people now days are emphasizing. 

[LurkerNoMore]

Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.

Again, just a guess but looking over the placings that Wes posted, it seemed that as a pro, he was mid card level basically.  Might have reached a point where he decided all the work and risk was not worth the rewards he was getting.

I bet if he were in his prime today, Instagram would be printing money for him.

[affeman]

Probably been posted before but you don’t see back striations like this anymore.  DeMey was very underrated

Funny, many old-school guys had a bone-dry back while being completely smooth (almost fast) in the glute/hamstring area.

[dj181]

Staying in the great shape year around.

Outstanding aesthetics

That waist was a legit 30-31 inches

Wonder what he ran back then?

Probably deca and var or winny

They weren't really using test in the 70s and 80s

Test came into the picture in the 90s

[Van_Bilderass]

 Wonder what he ran back then?

Probably deca and var or winny

They weren't really using test in the 70s and 80s

Test came into the picture in the 90s

LOL this again. I think if there was one steroid that most liked for bb it was Deca or Durabolin. Dorian who came up in the late 80s said everyone seemed to love Winstrol whereas he didn't think much of it, he loved Dbol instead, like us 

[oldschoolfan]

Probably been posted before but you don’t see back striations like this anymore.  DeMey was very underrated

demey had a great flow to him for sure, didnt he tear is pec at one time.

[dj181]

LOL this again. I think if there was one steroid that most liked for bb it was Deca or Durabolin. Dorian who came up in the late 80s said everyone seemed to love Winstrol whereas he didn't think much of it, he loved Dbol instead, like us 

Hahahaha

Just watched doc tood lee and he did a profile on superdrol

And he said if you are not a competitive BB you shouldn't ever use any orals

And he said superdrol should only be used by competitive BB who are flat and then it should only be used 3-5 days before the show and that's it

He says take enough test to produce enough estrogen which for most is 20-40 mgs a day and fill the test with mast

Mast is just such a shitty ass compound for me

And yeah many love the winny

Platz interviewed 6 big name pros from the 90s and every single one of them except Coleman I think used winny most all the time

[Van_Bilderass]

Hahahaha

Just watched doc tood lee and he did a profile on superdrol

And he said if you are not a competitive BB you shouldn't ever use any orals

And he said superdrol should only be used by competitive BB who are flat and then it should only be used 3-5 days before the show and that's it

He says take enough test to produce enough estrogen which for most is 20-40 mgs a day and fill the test with mast

Mast is just such a shitty ass compound for me

And yeah many love the winny

Platz interviewed 6 big name pros from the 90s and every single one of them except Coleman I think used winny most all the time

It's irritating because the Mast/Primo idea as well as the test to estrogen ratio is based only on the theories by Victor Black. I mean he could be mostly right but these guys aren't thinking for themselves and they don't even give him credit because they all hate him! Lol. Victor also says other acceptable compounds include Deca and Anavar but they have drawbacks Mast and Primo don't have.

[dj181]

It's irritating because the Mast/Primo idea as well as the test to estrogen ratio is based only on the theories by Victor Black. I mean he could be mostly right but these guys aren't thinking for themselves and they don't even give him credit because they all hate him! Lol. Victor also says other acceptable compounds include Deca and Anavar but they have drawbacks Mast and Primo don't have.

Yep I actually have notes on his suggested dosing of all those compounds and here they are,,,,

Test 400
Var 40
Tren 100
Primo 800
Mast 600
Deca 400

And yep BB are fucking sheeple

[Van_Bilderass]

Yep I actually have notes on his suggested dosing of all those compounds and here they are,,,,

Test 400
Var 40
Tren 100
Primo 800
Mast 600
Deca 400

And yep BB are fucking sheeple

Yes. Though Victor says if you are a competitor you can dial it all up in these ratios, all based on how much risk you are willing to take on. Victors acceptable dosing for some reason is about 2x human common dosing, though I think Primo and/or Mast have been trialed at like a gram or two... on females lol. Tren he sets at 100 because 50mg of pure tren was the human dose in France.

Big Paul and all the rest think Dbol is garbage, all because Victor saw some animal data where Dbol was a bit more neurotoxic lol.

[MAXX]

Still haven't had anyone answer something for me. He was insanely shredded from the waist up. Yes, you don't see modern pros looking like that. From the waist down though, modern pros smoke him. Shredded glutes and carved out hamstrings that nobody had in the 80's. Or 90's for that matter. Why? What are modern guys doing to get like that from the waist down?

maybe it's the drugs or smth... tren?

but it also looks like he's not flexing his glutes and hams. They didn't focus on that back then.