Unreal conditioning

[dj181]

Yes. Though Victor says if you are a competitor you can dial it all up in these ratios, all based on how much risk you are willing to take on. Victors acceptable dosing for some reason is about 2x human common dosing, though I think Primo and/or Mast have been trialed at like a gram or two... on females lol. Tren he sets at 100 because 50mg of pure tren was the human dose in France.

Big Paul and all the rest think Dbol is garbage, all because Victor saw some animal data where Dbol was a bit more neurotoxic lol.

Dbols not garbage

And I do not blow up like a water balloon on it

Maybe if you are fat when you go on it or you force down a bunch of food on it or both it could be

[tatoo]

Dbols not garbage

And I do not blow up like a water balloon on it

Maybe if you are fat when you go on it or you force down a bunch of food on it or both it could be

if i was forced to pick only one anabolic to use it would be dbol... shit was invented for muscles hahaha... i love dbol

[dj181]

if i was forced to pick only one anabolic to use it would be dbol... shit was invented for muscles hahaha... i love dbol

I hear ya and it kinda sucks for me that 3 out of the 4 compounds I respond well to are orals

What's the most you've used of it and what was it's sweet spot for you?

I've used anywhere from 10 to 80 mgs and the max effective dose for me was 30 as any more than that didn't really give me better gains

In fact 20 mgs was my sweet spot not quite as much as 30 but very close

And 20 was quite a bit better than 10 for me

[beakdoctor]

Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.

Berry said in an interview a few years back that after he tore his pec, it just never looked right again. He was obviously very competitive and in the thick of the line-up back in the 80's up there with Strydon, Christian, Paris, Quinn all of them neck and neck. He got a 3rd place in 88. Then in 89 got a suspension for the year they did drug testing,  so he was out a year, then was training for his return and tore his pec. He said he always strived for perfection and it was hard enough to achieve the winning look prior to the pec tear. So when WBF came along  offering contracts with set salaries he took it, knowing he would never again be 100% satisfied with his physique.

He said Joe Weider welcomed him back into the IFBB but they were all punished in the score cards. The NOC that he got 10th in he actually looked great but got 10th. I never saw his last show, an Arnold Classic where he got 15th...but i imagine he looked just as good and by then it was the new era of Flex, Levrone, Dillet, Yates, etc... so he retired and used his wbf money to start a photography business.

[Humble Narcissist]

Berry said in an interview a few years back that after he tore his pec, it just never looked right again. He was obviously very competitive and in the thick of the line-up back in the 80's up there with Strydon, Christian, Paris, Quinn all of them neck and neck. He got a 3rd place in 88. Then in 89 got a suspension for the year they did drug testing,  so he was out a year, then was training for his return and tore his pec. He said he always strived for perfection and it was hard enough to achieve the winning look prior to the pec tear. So when WBF came along  offering contracts with set salaries he took it, knowing he would never again be 100% satisfied with his physique.

He said Joe Weider welcomed him back into the IFBB but they were all punished in the score cards. The NOC that he got 10th in he actually looked great but got 10th. I never saw his last show, an Arnold Classic where he got 15th...but i imagine he looked just as good and by then it was the new era of Flex, Levrone, Dillet, Yates, etc... so he retired and used his wbf money to start a photography business.

I had forgotten about the torn pec.

[joswift]

I hear ya and it kinda sucks for me that 3 out of the 4 compounds I respond well to are orals

What's the most you've used of it and what was it's sweet spot for you?

I've used anywhere from 10 to 80 mgs and the max effective dose for me was 30 as any more than that didn't really give me better gains

In fact 20 mgs was my sweet spot not quite as much as 30 but very close

And 20 was quite a bit better than 10 for me

15 was better than 7 and 12 was worse then 13 although 9 was equal to 3 it didnt compare with 19, come to think of it I suppose 3 tablets twice a day didnt work as well as 2 tablets three times a day omitting Sundays because I have a burger on that day and I dont want the dosage to be affected by the fat in the burger

fixed

[wes]

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[Van_Bilderass]

if i was forced to pick only one anabolic to use it would be dbol... shit was invented for muscles hahaha... i love dbol

Dbol is also a testosterone derivative and is androgenic enough to where you can just use it and not lose sex drive, it usually increases it. The same is not true of Anavar or Winstrol. Dbol is the best oral, overall. Halotestin was the choice for oral HRT for decades, it was androgenic enough but otoh lacked the anabolism of Dbol.

Of course if you are running test you can take other orals, but for an oral steroid run solo, Dbol is it.

Dbol is a wonderful mood brightener for a lot of people also.

[IroNat]

if i was forced to pick only one anabolic to use it would be dbol eggs... shit was invented for muscles hahaha... i love dbol eggs

 

[LurkerNoMore]

maybe it's the drugs or smth... tren?

but it also looks like he's not flexing his glutes and hams. They didn't focus on that back then.

Other than Platz, the only person I can think from that era that had outstanding legs overall like today's pros would be Paul Demayo. 

[LurkerNoMore]

People who blow up with water on dbol and anadrol are usually people with high BF%.  Body fat contributes to estrogen.  Having a high level of bodyfat can lead to higher estrogen levels which in turn lead to more water retention.  Steroids basically give you more of what you already have.  If you are 25% BF with no visible abs, then roids are going to give you a +1 to that.  The leaner you are, the more you are going to see an actual benefit and change from. 

This is why Var and Halotestin have the myth of "hardening you up".  Which is inaccurate basically, it is just that the people who use them correctly do so the last 5-6 weeks before a comp.  When they are already low BF and cutting back on androgenic compounds.    Then you have the idiots that think if they take it took, it will reduce their waistline and chisel in their abs.  When it doesn't happen, they start crying that their source is selling fake shit.

[joswift]

People who blow up with water on dbol and anadrol are usually people with high BF%.  Body fat contributes to estrogen.  Having a high level of bodyfat can lead to higher estrogen levels which in turn lead to more water retention.  Steroids basically give you more of what you already have.  If you are 25% BF with no visible abs, then roids are going to give you a +1 to that.  The leaner you are, the more you are going to see an actual benefit and change from. 

This is why Var and Halotestin have the myth of "hardening you up".  Which is inaccurate basically, it is just that the people who use them correctly do so the last 5-6 weeks before a comp.  When they are already low BF and cutting back on androgenic compounds.    Then you have the idiots that think if they take it took, it will reduce their waistline and chisel in their abs.  When it doesn't happen, they start crying that their source is selling fake shit.

steroids were not designed for fat people, they were made for underdeveloped or malnourished and victims of burns or wasting diseases

[tatoo]

I hear ya and it kinda sucks for me that 3 out of the 4 compounds I respond well to are orals

What's the most you've used of it and what was it's sweet spot for you?

I've used anywhere from 10 to 80 mgs and the max effective dose for me was 30 as any more than that didn't really give me better gains

In fact 20 mgs was my sweet spot not quite as much as 30 but very close

And 20 was quite a bit better than 10 for me

ive used anywhere from 15-50mg over the last 20 years on and off.... early on id take 6 pink thai dbol and id blow up... now it takes 50mg lol for whatever reason.

[joswift]

ive used anywhere from 15-50mg over the last 20 years on and off.... early on id take 6 pink thai dbol and id blow up... now it takes 50mg lol for whatever reason.

the reason is pretty obvious.

[dj181]

ive used anywhere from 15-50mg over the last 20 years on and off.... early on id take 6 pink thai dbol and id blow up... now it takes 50mg lol for whatever reason.

That sucks

20 works very well for me

[dj181]

Dbol is also a testosterone derivative and is androgenic enough to where you can just use it and not lose sex drive, it usually increases it. The same is not true of Anavar or Winstrol. Dbol is the best oral, overall. Halotestin was the choice for oral HRT for decades, it was androgenic enough but otoh lacked the anabolism of Dbol.

Of course if you are running test you can take other orals, but for an oral steroid run solo, Dbol is it.

Dbol is a wonderful mood brightener for a lot of people also.

I'm really curious how var will go with deca

Actually I think I look better now off the dbol and only on test deca

But I just started training my arms the way I need to train them so maybe that's why?

Check your pms brosef

[LurkerNoMore]

steroids were not designed for fat people, they were made for underdeveloped or malnourished and victims of burns or wasting diseases

Exactly!

[joswift]

Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.

Banned for a year in 89 failed drug test, tore his pec in comeback prep, signed for WBF , came back to IFBB got shit on, retired.