Coach Greg: How They Dope At The 2024 Olympics

[Taffin]

So they are dwarfs on PEDS.

Oh..
My..
God...

I just got my cock out...

[Van_Bilderass]

I haven't watched the video but Doucette knows nothing about this stuff. Just another youtube bullshitter.

IMO they should just give athletes a higher t/e ratio limit and the moment you go over you get a ban. Right now, there's too much of an advantage to athletes who know how to micro dose better.

I can't bear to watch his videos either but the T:EpiT ratio is far too blunt an instrument. Because they HAVE methods to catch every athlete who has normal ratios, just apply the isotope test to every athlete, but I suspect it"s probably too cost prohibitive or takes too much time.

I watched something a few years back about the Tour De France where a statistician used data to show very clearly when people had a sudden 'positive performance anomaly' when it was matched against a full log of their competitive careers.  It was as clear as day as I remember, but of course it couldn't be used to prove the inclusion of substances...

Yes I know which is why they instituted these biological passports where you may test clean but are still disqualified if your body behaves abnormally. They are supposed to immediately flag you for example if your red blood cells always increase just before races or your crit  keeps increasing after a race, when it always should go down.

The tests are hard to beat, which is why Russian secret service have been involved in switching out tests.

Like bhanks said, PEDs are almost yesterdays news, we are in the age of gene doping and I'm almost positive they use this in China.

[Deacon Jeschin]

I read a report recently on the use of carbon monoxide. Athletes utilising training at altitude for the increased haemoglobin levels it yields can maintain the higher than normal levels via inhalation of calculated doses of carbon monoxide. Effectively mimicking EPO doping.

A few pro cycling teams don't hide the fact they carbon monoxide use to test athletes' fitness (this is a valid use of the technology) but I'd be amazed if there aren't athletes out there using it for performance enhancing.

I read this recently too.  So I guess everyone who closed the garage and ran the engine until their heart stopped didn’t commit suicide - turns out they were just overtrained!

[MajorDomo]

I follow bodybuilding so drug use means nothing. Why would I care if an Olympic athlete uses?

[Mayday]

Didn't watch the vid but did they mention microdosing testosterone? I think females have been doing it all along, fairly easy to make it look like everything is normal while you are shooting only say 2-3mg per week. Of course they can find synthetic test now but I don't think it's routinely done, only when your levels are abnormal.

Microdosing in cycling was in full swing back in 2012 for men. Levels are low, stable and clears quickly. The blood passport doesn’t pick it up because you always stay on.

 Many cyclists got popped going off, I recall one young British rider who was roped up before he made it big and into the blood passport program. Gets a new contract, idiot then comes off and get popped by the passport because his levels dropped. Dude got banned straight away.

[Mayday]

I read a report recently on the use of carbon monoxide. Athletes utilising training at altitude for the increased haemoglobin levels it yields can maintain the higher than normal levels via inhalation of calculated doses of carbon monoxide. Effectively mimicking EPO doping.

A few pro cycling teams don't hide the fact they carbon monoxide use to test athletes' fitness (this is a valid use of the technology) but I'd be amazed if there aren't athletes out there using it for performance enhancing.

The tents were all the rage about 20yrs ago but they didn’t work. In one of my circles there was a pro triathlon dude who had his cranked up to essentially Mt Everest levels and he’d sleep in it at night. Didn’t do shit for his blood.

It was actually a vitamin regime which got his blood up halfway between standard and 250/wk test. 

‘Doping is the finishing touch’ essentially. Pro cyclists would claim it’s not worth it for a 3% increase. lol more like 30% increase.

It’s no different to BB. If you want alien performance, you’re doping. Nothing else remotely comes close.

[falco]

If only they knew Cell-Tech™ .

[Dave D]

Isn't that Victor Conte in the beginning of the video saying there are loop holes?  Didn't many of his athletes get caught by testing including Ben Johnson? How come he didn't use the loop holes?

He did. Then his facility was raided by the FBI and they discovered and outlawed the loopholes.

[Van_Bilderass]

He did. Then his facility was raided by the FBI and they discovered and outlawed the loopholes.

Patrick Arnold was behind the doping, Conte was a zink supplement huckster, "ZMA" 

oldtimer was a little off with the Johnson reference. Conte came like a decade later.
Johnson's doping regimen was so amateurish that he was shooting fake drugs which is why he was caught! LOL

[Dave D]

Patrick Arnold was behind the doping, Conte was a zink supplement huckster, "ZMA" 

oldtimer was a little off with the Johnson reference. Conte came like a decade later.
Johnson's doping regimen was so amateurish that he was shooting fake drugs which is why he was caught! LOL

I missed the Ben Johnson reference, I was thinking of Marion Jones who worked with Conte and Balco. So Patrick invented the cream and the clear and Conte administered it?

[BB]

I missed the Ben Johnson reference, I was thinking of Marion Jones who worked with Conte and Balco. So Patrick invented the cream and the clear and Conte administered it?

Yes, Conte was the face of things. Conte knows a bit, he's not totally dumb, but he subcontracted out the chemical parts to others. Victor is likeable, and is good at smoozing, putting people together, and office type work. Patrick, at least back then, was kind of a loner and a bit mercurial. Also I don't remember the timeline well, but he might've been starting or ending some legal woes.

Conte met with the high end trainers, athletes, etc.... then he went back and war gamed a steroid plan with Arnold, etc.... And Arnold cooked up the Clear, and other things they thought might be useful.

Conte, Arnold, and a bunch of other guys were all around the internet back then in private groups and regular forums back then, and you see them post ideas, and get a feel for their personality, etc....

[Dave D]

Yes, Conte was the face of things. Conte knows a bit, he's not totally dumb, but he subcontracted out the chemical parts to others. Victor is likeable, and is good at smoozing, putting people together, and office type work. Patrick, at least back then, was kind of a loner and a bit mercurial. Also I don't remember the timeline well, but he might've been starting or ending some legal woes.

Conte met with the high end trainers, athletes, etc.... then he went back and war gamed a steroid plan with Arnold, etc.... And Arnold cooked up the Clear, and other things they thought might be useful.

Conte, Arnold, and a bunch of other guys were all around the internet back then in private groups and regular forums back then, and you see them post ideas, and get a feel for their personality, etc....

Great info BB. It’s funny how much I forgot about the conte deal.
It’s interesting what a small world it tends to be when you start getting close to the elite be of anything .

[Van_Bilderass]

Great info BB. It’s funny how much I forgot about the conte deal.
It’s interesting what a small world it tends to be when you start getting close to the elite be of anything .

Considering what's at stake, the "program" IMO was kinda amateurish and small. I mean Patrick is very smart but there wasn't like millions and millions of dollars and teams of chemists developing doping programs. What I mean is is that it wasn't like East Germany or what everyone suspects of China, what Russia has been and so on. And it was only a matter of time before they were caught but it came soon because of the one syringe thrown in a trash can. So very risky if you care about careers, reputations, legacies and so on.

[Humble Narcissist]

So they are dwarfs on PEDS.

Musclebound midgets.

[joswift]

Considering what's at stake, the "program" IMO was kinda amateurish and small. I mean Patrick is very smart but there wasn't like millions and millions of dollars and teams of chemists developing doping programs. What I mean is is that it wasn't like East Germany or what everyone suspects of China, what Russia has been and so on. And it was only a matter of time before they were caught but it came soon because of the one syringe thrown in a trash can. So very risky if you care about careers, reputations, legacies and so on.

I always suspected Ben Johnson was spiked with a water bottle after the race, Lewis was livid he lost and with winstrol being water based it would be easy to get it in a water bottle.

Johnson passed many tests before so why would he fuck it up in the biggest race of his life?

Lewis failed multiple tests leading up to the Olympics but they swept them under the carpet

[Humble Narcissist]

I always suspected Ben Johnson was spiked with a water bottle after the race, Lewis was livid he lost and with winstrol being water based it would be easy to get it in a water bottle.

Johnson passed many tests before so why would he fuck it up in the biggest race of his life?

Lewis failed multiple tests leading up to the Olympics but they swept them under the carpet

Seems like something Lewis would do.

[ThisisOverload]

Lewis failed multiple tests leading up to the Olympics but they swept them under the carpet

I watched a documentary on something, don't remember what, but it went into great detail the special treatment Lewis got.

He got away with so much.

[Van_Bilderass]

I always suspected Ben Johnson was spiked with a water bottle after the race, Lewis was livid he lost and with winstrol being water based it would be easy to get it in a water bottle.

Johnson passed many tests before so why would he fuck it up in the biggest race of his life?

Lewis failed multiple tests leading up to the Olympics but they swept them under the carpet

I doubt he was spiked, but can't say for sure obviously. Ben's trainer Charlie Francis said they bought a certain steroid, in Mexico I think, also a milky white water suspension, but it was fake and was Winstrol. I forget the specifics but this explained everything and I see zero reason for why Charlie would make it up as he was admitting doping, just not consciously doping with the substance he was caught with. So it was a very amateurish operation, just like the BALCO dopers were pretty amateurish. They weren't extremely high tech at all.

I don't know what Lewis was caught with, all I remember was that one ephedrine failure was supposedly swept under the carpet. I don't remember any steroid fails but that doesn't mean he didn't use them. Every single one in that race was doped

Edit.

TORONTO -- Furazabol, the steroid implicated in Ben Johnson's record-breaking success, is a mystery to Canadian experts in the synthetic hormones.

Canadian experts are baffled by mention of the drug, which coach Charlie Francis has testified he was injecting into Johnson and his fellow athletes up until just weeks before the Seoul Olympics, on the advice of Dr. Mario Astaphan.

Francis testified Johnson carried around a small bottle of furazabol bearing a handwritten label that said: 'Do not take within 28 days of competition.'

Johnson failed his urine test at the Summer Games, losing a world record and gold medal and receiving a two-year ban from international competition.

'I've never heard of furazabol, I've never heard of estrogol at all,' said University of Toronto physiologist Prof. Barry Lubek, who has studied anabolic steroids for 13 years.

Estrogol is another name for furazabol, Francis had earlier told the government inquiry into drugs in sports.

Lubek researched the drug and found it to be a little-known product produced by only one company in the world -- Daiichi of Japan.

The drug is also known as Miotolon and Androfuragol, Lubek said.

Dr. Astaphan is expected to testify at the inquiry within the next few weeks.Last week, another baffled Canadian expert, Dr. Mauro di Pasquale, had said he hadn't heard of furazabol and suggested it might be another name for stanozolol -- the drug Johnson tested positive for in Seoul.

Sterling Drug Ltd., admitted in October to selling Winstrol (a brand name of stanozolol), to Dr. Astaphan. Sterling said there are six anabolic steroids marketed in Canada and there may be only several dozen people in the country with legitimate medical uses for the compounds.

There are less than two dozen anabolic steroids available in North America, Lubek said.

Anabolic steroids are used for tissue building in protein wasting illnesses such as aplastic anemia and Raynaud's Syndrome, Lubek said.

Francis has testified that he started Johnson and other athletes on a stanozolol intake program in 1982, but Johnson and the others complained the drug made them stiff, and they tried it again in the fall of 1986 with the same results. Johnson preferred furazabol, Francis said.

[Hulkotron]

I watched a documentary on something, don't remember what, but it went into great detail the special treatment Lewis got.

He got away with so much.

I saw a documentary on Ben Johnson / Carl Lewis some years ago, maybe it was the same one.  Ben was like 55 years old and still squatting 500 lbs for reps, guy was a beast.

Anyone who thinks Ben wasn't really on gas though is delusional.

Lewis supposedly didn't lift weights until very late in his career, but I've always suspected that was a fable for misdirection purposes ("Why would he take steroids if he didn't even lift?").

Calvin Smith was the last clean champion in the 100 meters.

[SweetDaddySiki]

And Coach Greg is back with another video about Olympic doping!   

Purple Face Olympic Swimmers!

[Taffin]

I missed the Ben Johnson reference, I was thinking of Marion Jones who worked with Conte and Balco. So Patrick invented the cream and the clear and Conte administered it?

I remember seeing just how much faster she was and then learning her boyfriend was an Olympic Powerlifter - that was case closed for me

[Hulkotron]

I remember seeing just how much faster she was and then learning her boyfriend was an Olympic Powerlifter - that was case closed for me

[jude2]

I saw a documentary on Ben Johnson / Carl Lewis some years ago, maybe it was the same one.  Ben was like 55 years old and still squatting 500 lbs for reps, guy was a beast.

Anyone who thinks Ben wasn't really on gas though is delusional.

Lewis supposedly didn't lift weights until very late in his career, but I've always suspected that was a fable for misdirection purposes ("Why would he take steroids if he didn't even lift?").

Calvin Smith was the last clean champion in the 100 meters.

Are you aking why Lewis would take steroids if he did't lift?  They take the peds for recovery and edge, has nothing to do with lifting.

[Hulkotron]

Are you aking why Lewis would take steroids if he did't lift?  They take the peds for recovery and edge, has nothing to do with lifting.

You will need to improve your reading comprehension if you want to discuss this with me.

[ThisisOverload]

You will need to improve your reading comprehension if you want to discuss this with me.

He totally missed it.