John Little wrong again

[jwb]

Chris Lund article on Casey Viator right before 1982 Olympia.

Chest

incline press 4 sets
incline flys 5 sets
crossovers 2 sets
dip machine 2 sets

Biceps

alternate curls 3 sets
incline curls 4 sets
1 arm pulley curl 4 sets

[snx]

Hands down, the best synopsis of the entire topic.

I can't imagine most of you will watch the entire video. But it validates that both approaches work...with caveats.

[Rmj11]

Hands down, the best synopsis of the entire topic.

I can't imagine most of you will watch the entire video. But it validates that both approaches work...with caveats.

Nope.

[Rmj11]

More stupidity from little

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[MAXX]

More stupidity from little

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You're stupid....

alot of scientific backing,, nowdays many studies showing heart damage from overtraining the cardiovascular system

here's one:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6179786/

[Rmj11]

You're stupid....

alot of scientific backing,, nowdays many studies showing heart damage from overtraining the cardiovascular system

here's one:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6179786/

Nope. It's very hard for one to actually overtrain.

[pamith]

Brutal if true

[Royalty]

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[Rmj11]

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Dorian proves nothing. He was a pharmaceutical walking experiment. A result of using massive amounts of growth hormone. His training had little to do with it. He never did hit.

[wes]

Who gives a flying fuck just do whatever works for you.

[oldtimer1]

Dorian proves nothing. He was a pharmaceutical walking experiment. A result of using massive amounts of growth hormone. His training had little to do with it. He never did hit.

If Dorian didn't use HIT give me an example of what HIT training is. 

[Rmj11]

If Dorian didn't use HIT give me an example of what HIT training is.

You don't know? Course you do.

[Humble Narcissist]

You don't know? Course you do.

Do tell.

[Rmj11]

Do tell.

Yes, old timer will tell.

[oldtimer1]

Yes, old timer will tell.

You are against high intensity training but you can't define it. What is you defect that you are so neurotic and OCD about this? 

[Rmj11]

You are against high intensity training but you can't define it. What is you defect that you are so neurotic and OCD about this?

I've defined it many times. Just you can't accept it.

[IroNat]

I know HIT when I see it.

[Humble Narcissist]

I know HIT when I see it.

Or feel it.

[Rmj11]

You are against high intensity training but you can't define it. What is you defect that you are so neurotic and OCD about this?

Bench presses to (concentric) positive failure, then you do assisted forced reps (need a spotter) to failure, then more negative reps (spotter needed) to complete failure then drop sets...complete, utter, paralysis!

That's HIT.

Dorian never trained like that.

[oldtimer1]

Bench presses to (concentric) positive failure, then you do assisted forced reps (need a spotter) to failure, then more negative reps (spotter needed) to complete failure then drop sets...complete, utter, paralysis!

That's HIT.

Dorian never trained like that.

That isn't HIT.  That's your definition of HIT. No one can define it.  The best illustration is low sets to failure whether or not drop sets or assisted reps are used. Go back to the father of high intensity training wrote in his Nautilus bulletin one. The most authentic HIT is one set to failure.  If someone claims they are doing two sets to failure the first set couldn't have been to failure because you wouldn't be able to do the second set with the same amount of reps.

Typical trainers like you who do four to six sets of an exercise might only hit failure on the the last set or not at all. No one can do failure for four sets getting the same amount of reps. A certain amount of pacing is used so sets are stopped with  gas remaining in the tank.  A good way to train for muscular endurance. Personally I find it hard to train that way.  It hardly feels heroic to end a set when I could have gotten 5 more reps.  If I did get those 5 more reps I would be shot and finished with that exercise.

[joswift]

That isn't HIT.  That's your definition of HIT. No one can define it.  The best illustration is low sets to failure whether or not drop sets or assisted reps are used. Go back to the father of high intensity training wrote in his Nautilus bulletin one. The most authentic HIT is one set to failure.  If someone claims they are doing two sets to failure the first set couldn't have been to failure because you wouldn't be able to do the second set with the same amount of reps.

Typical trainers like you who do four to six sets of an exercise might only hit failure on the the last set or not at all. No one can do failure for four sets getting the same amount of reps. A certain amount of pacing is used so sets are stopped with  gas remaining in the tank.  A good way to train for muscular endurance. Personally I find it hard to train that way.  It hardly feels heroic to end a set when I could have gotten 5 more reps.  If I did get those 5 more reps I would be shot and finished with that exercise.

From doing a set to failure your muscles recover enough to do another rep in less than 5 seconds

Just look at a drop set, go to failure, drop the weight by 5 kilos and you can do another set, hell you can do it without dropping the weight

Are you saying a single set to failure is more intense than a drop set?

[oldtimer1]

From doing a set to failure your muscles recover enough to do another rep in less than 5 seconds

Just look at a drop set, go to failure, drop the weight by 5 kilos and you can do another set, hell you can do it without dropping the weight

Are you saying a single set to failure is more intense than a drop set?

You're missing the difference between intensity and endurance.  Train how ever you want. I won't put down your methods.

 Yes you can fail at say 9 reps rest for 15 seconds  then you can  get another rep. Once you hit that failure rep addition reps are just killing your compensation adaption.

  Yes, fail at 9 reps. Rest 40 seconds and get then fail at 6 reps to failure. Rest another 40 seconds and now fail at 4 reps. That is not productive training.

  I won't respond to what every you type in response. You are not changing my mind. Train how every you want. Yes, multiple sets work. So those short intensity training.

[joswift]

You're missing the difference between intensity and endurance.  Train how ever you want. I won't put down your methods.

 Yes you can fail at say 9 reps rest for 15 seconds  then you can  get another rep. Once you hit that failure rep addition reps are just killing your compensation adaption.

  Yes, fail at 9 reps. Rest 40 seconds and get then fail at 6 reps to failure. Rest another 40 seconds and now fail at 4 reps. That is not productive training.

  I won't respond to what every you type in response. You are not changing my mind. Train how every you want. Yes, multiple sets work. So those short intensity training.

I think Dorian did enough without pushing too far, apart from later when he got injured.

I dont think you have to go to failure to make gains, most people never really go to failure

[Rmj11]

That is HIT.  That's the very definition of HIT. The best illustration is low sets to failure with drop sets or assisted reps. Go back to the father of high intensity training wrote in his Nautilus bulletin one. The most authentic HIT is one set to failure plus beyond failure techniques. That's true failure.  If someone claims they are doing two sets to failure the first set could have been to failure because you would be able to do the second set with the same amount of reps if you rest long enough between sets or just drop the weight down by 10%.

Correct trainers like you who do four to six sets of an exercise might only hit failure on the the last set or not at all as failure is not needed for growth. But you can do failure for four sets getting the same amount of reps if you drop the weight down by 5 yo 10% each succeeding set.

A certain amount of pacing can be used also so sets are stopped with some as remaining in the tank.  A good way to train for muscular endurance and muscle gains since multiple sets have been proven to be 40% superior than single sets to failure.

Personally I find it hard to train that way as I'm lazy.

Fixed.

[illuminati]

Dorian proves nothing. He was a pharmaceutical walking experiment. A result of using massive amounts of growth hormone. His training had little to do with it. He never did hit.

HOW DO YOU KNOW ? DID YOU TRAIN AT TEMPLE GYM ?  DID YOU KNOW DORIAN - WHAT DID HE TELL YOU ?
YOUR JUST MAKING CRAP UP BECAUSE HE FUCKED YOUR GIRL OR SOME OTHER THING YOU COULDN’T
DO SHIT ABOUT.


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