Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

Brian Buchanan anyone?

Exactly

[realkarateblackbelt]

Ronnie Coleman's front double bicep just isn't impressive to me. He lacks the 'olympian' look of a Yates. The reason being - oddly shaped abdominals and protruding stomach sticking out farther than the chest, causing a flat appearance. Dorian has a superior chest hands down, because of Coleman's total disregard for proportion. On top of that, his nipples point down to his toes. It looks positively feminine.

I can safely say, Coleman holds the dubious distinction of being the first Mr. Olympia in history with a reverse taper - a stomach that protrudes farther than the chest...

a pyramid taper if you will.

Because of Coleman's fatal flaw, and total disregard for proportion, and his "gameplan" of putting on mass for mass sake, the advantage goes to Diesel in ANY pose featuring the chest, namely, FRONT DOUBLE BICEPS, FRONT LAT SPREAD.

There is NO WAY a flat chested Ronnie Coleman overtakes a positively
HERCULEAN Dorian Yates.

[Hulkster]

ronnie's taper at his best looks fantastic:

it does not look too freaky.

[Hulkster]

I can safely say, Coleman holds the dubious distinction of being the first Mr. Olympia in history with a reverse taper - a stomach that protrudes farther than the chest...

and you can safely, and very easily be proven flat out wrong:

[Shockwave]

and you can safely, and very easily be proven flat out wrong:

Awesome way of refuting his point by showing Dorian from the side, with his chest gut further out than his chest.
Moron.

[Hulkster]

this is the taper you speak of:

it did not start with ronnie:

[Shockwave]

this is the taper you speak of:

it did not start with ronnie:

You seriously do NOTHING to defend your stance.
You either post pics of Dorians worst showings or him not just standing there.
Ive said it before, Ill say it again... you want to go down that road, there are a million more pics of Ronnie's pregnant stomach when he isnt holding it, than  there is of Dorian.

[Hulkster]

ronnie was by no means the first:

[Hulkster]

You seriously do NOTHING to defend your stance.
You either post pics of Dorians worst showings or him not just standing there.
Ive said it before, Ill say it again... you want to go down that road, there are a million more pics of Ronnie's pregnant stomach when he isnt holding it, than  there is of Dorian.

worst showings?

LOL every pics I have posted in the last 5 minutes was from 1993..

[NarcissisticDeity]

ronnie's taper at his best looks fantastic:

it does not look too freaky.

You're wrong like all his parts its exaggerated its impressive but not what would be considered natural , look no further than Cormier in that pic thats a classic type taper

[Shockwave]

worst showings?

LOL every pics I have posted in the last 5 minutes was from 1993..

Im not talking about the last 5 minutes you ignorant asshole.
Im talking about all the 96 pics you show, and then preface it by saying, well he looks just like he did in 95. Moron.

[Hulkster]

there are a million more pics of Ronnie's pregnant stomach when he isnt holding it, than  there is of Dorian

of course there are.

during dorian's reign there was no wide spread internet use, no digital cameras, no camera phones, nothing.

you had magazine pics and that was it.

and besides, ronnie having a gut is not the issue.

the statement was made that ronnie was the first mr. olympia with a gut that sticks out farther than his chest, and I simply proved (and can prove even more with 96-7 dorian pics) that DORIAN himself was the first, not Ronnie.

[Hulkster]

Im not talking about the last 5 minutes you ignorant asshole.
Im talking about all the 96 pics you show, and then preface it by saying, well he looks just like he did in 95. Moron.

he was just as smooth in all the areas we always talk about in 95 as he was in 96:

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

he was just as smooth in all the areas we always talk about in 95 as he was in 96:

 

Based on two pics? LMFAO and again you have NO basis to comment on Dorian's conditioning especially considering that pictures and video are NOT 100% accurate means of coming to the conclusion , your abilities are limited 

[realkarateblackbelt]

Ronnie Coleman looks great as far as condition goes when standing alone...

Next to Doz, he just looks like 'water-logged mass'. Ever pic of Coleman is an 'epic' display of water retention under the skin. I mean seriously... It looks like a film of water under his delt and back. The phrase "all drugs" comes to mind when looking at Coleman. I mean, shit, no doubt he trains hard, but the combination of fucking outrageous gynocomastea(droopy nipples), unprecedented stomach bloat causing the chest to look flat, and water retention makes for a second placing.

He must be using massive doses...there is no other explanation for the sever side effects, and the fast weight gain since he began his career. The poor bastard probably won't live to see 50.

Again, next to Doz it becomes necessary to take these small advantages into account. We are talking about the best of the best here, two great champions.

[Hulkster]

Based on two pics? LMFAO and again you have NO basis to comment on Dorian's conditioning especially considering that pictures and video are NOT 100% accurate means of coming to the conclusion , your abilities are limited 

so, pics and videos are not accurate, but biased people's opinions  ARE?

the camera does not lie like people do.

the camera is not influenced by ulterior motives for making statements.

[Hulkster]

Based on two pics? LMFAO and again you have NO basis to comment on Dorian's conditioning especially considering that pictures and video are NOT 100% accurate means of coming to the conclusion , your abilities are limited 

you honestly have no clue.

pics and videos are  a lot more objective than people's opinions are..

once again, note the pattern:

when the ronnie side proves something with pics and videos, rather than admit that they were wrong, the dorian side simply dismisses all pics and videos as being inaccurate...
 

can you not see how stupid this is??

[NarcissisticDeity]

so, pics and videos are not accurate, but biased people's opinions  ARE?

the camera does not lie like people do.

the camera is not influence by ulterior motives for making statements.

LMFAO that other idiot tried that logic , pics don't lie people do , retarded people cringe when you type lol

one , why would people lie about him looking better in person than in videos or print? there is no logical reason why people would state this unless true ? I have 5 different quotes all saying the same thing lol

two , pictures are extremely brief moments in a whole scene they can be deceptive and NOT 100% accurate representation regardless of what you claim

You're fished guy , I mean you just are

[NarcissisticDeity]

you honestly have no clue.

pics and videos are  a lot more objective than people's opinions are..

once again, note the pattern:

when the ronnie side proves something with pics and videos, rather than admit that they were wrong, the dorian side simply dismisses all pics and videos as being inaccurate...
 

can you not see how stupid this is??

Thats the problem you haven't proved a God damn thing lol what have you proved ? you looked at pictures on the internet and deduced he's NOT as conditioned as Ronnie without ever seeing them live and in person  , without taking into consideration that 5 different people all say pictures and video don't do Yates justice , and you proved what? you think your opinion trumps that of eye witnesses ? you proved one thing you're a complete and utter fucking moron , I know I've said this before but you really are lol I mean you really , really are lol you're the most clueless person I ever came across on the internet since I've been online

[NarcissisticDeity]

you honestly have no clue.

pics and videos are  a lot more objective than people's opinions are..

once again, note the pattern:

when the ronnie side proves something with pics and videos, rather than admit that they were wrong, the dorian side simply dismisses all pics and videos as being inaccurate...
 

can you not see how stupid this is??

flesh in blood is a lot more objective than pics and video and peoples opinions based on eye witnessing the event and basing an opinion on the topic is a hell of a lot more objective than an ignorant Hulkster basing his opinion on pictures and video 

[NeoSeminole]

Again stop judging Dorian using Ronnie as the criteria , lets say he has everything you just mentioned , HE STILL DOMINATED EVERYONE he doesn't ( entertaining your nonsense ) need bigger arms , a smaller waist and muscles that appear like Ronnies , he does not need to look like Ronnie to beat Ronnie , he beat everey single competitor he faced in a resounding and dominating fashion despite not having the biggest biceps , despite not having a small waist & hips , despite his muscles ' appearing ' smooth , despite not being aesthetic , despite all of his assumed flaws he still managed to dominate NOT just barely win , not win by a few points I mean he walked all over everyone , you ever wonder why? the man never placed below second in a professional contest in his career , do you realize how insane that is? in such a subjective sport he won 15 out of 17 contests in GRAND FASHION with his only two loses being close , in order to win with  perfect scores 13 different , independent judges all look at the same bodybuilder and come to the same conclusion he meets the criteria better than the competition and is above & beyond everyone else , so keep hyperfocusing on his flaws and what you think his flaws are because they mean nothing compared to his strengths and don't use Ronnie has the criteria because he's a bad base especially considering Dorian won all of his Olympias with straight firsts and Ronnie didn't so Dorian satisfied the criteria more so than Ronnie so if anything Dorian's strengths should be used as a template and NOT Ronnies

oh what a load of crap. First of all, none of what you said has to do with comparing Dorian and Ronnie at their respective bests. Samir Bannout won the Mr. Olympia only once yet I consider him at his prime in 83 a much better bodybuilder than Arnold who won it 7 times. Second, I'm not judging Dorian using Ronnie. Where do you come up with this bullshit? I've always judged Dorian using established bodybuilding criteria - size, symmetry, definition, shape, etc. I never once said that Dorian would lose b/c he has smaller arms or worse vascularity than Ronnie. Third, Ronnie dominated the same competition that Dorian faced. Ronnie has beaten Flex, Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Nasser, and Paul Dillet with perfect scores too. In 03, people were saying that Ronnie was first place the moment he stepped foot onstage. He made everyone else - the top 10 bodybuilders in the world - look like amateurs. If that isn't domination, then I don't know what is.

[NeoSeminole]

Yeah, but the bitch would insist on it to save face, so I went into a long mathematical/physiological analyses to demonstrate, without a shadow of a doubt, what a retard this guy is. He's still bitching, but no one is listening anymore.

save face? Hell, I'll admit right now that I'm probably wrong about Ronnie gaining lean mass. I strongly disagree for obvious reasons. You're claiming that not only did he shrink from 99-01 but that he was also smaller than he was in 96. According to your theory, Ronnie was able to magically put on 15 lbs of muscle in 7 months for the Mr. Olympia when it usually takes him 3 yrs to gain that much. If anyone has tried to save face, it's been you. I've apologized before when I made a mistake and I always try to respond to you unless you type a marathon post. On the other hand, you conveniently leave the board for days when given a challenge (brachialis muscle anyone?) or backpeddle to weasel your ass out of an embarrassing situation (how quickly 52 cm became 53 cm).

[Patrik15]

fucking retard ronnie is obiously better than dorian shits

[Necrosis]

LMFAO that other idiot tried that logic , pics don't lie people do , retarded people cringe when you type lol

one , why would people lie about him looking better in person than in videos or print? there is no logical reason why people would state this unless true ? I have 5 different quotes all saying the same thing lol

two , pictures are extremely brief moments in a whole scene they can be deceptive and NOT 100% accurate representation regardless of what you claim

You're fished guy , I mean you just are

are you actually arguing that people are more accurate then photographs, or that eye-witness testimony is more accurate then photos?

if so your a moron. read some psychology, its called confirmation bias, the bystander effect, overexaggeration,belief preseverance etc.... people are biased cameras are not they simple show things as they were/are.


however, angles of pics etc can favor one person or the other, but obviously the camera is the best evidence in a visual sport.

peter already said that ronnie had the best back, and was the best ever.

[delta9mda]

ive already said, go back and read, that using ronnie as an example the level of striations and cuts, and seperation is negatively correlated with dryness using his glutes for an example. what does your picture prove if not that? he has shit seperation, shit cuts, and shit striations, his hams from the side, and upper quad has no seperation etc hence he is holding water. here is an example of a seperated quad, with cuts, compare that to the week before and you can see that water levels reflect these qualities.

cutler is posing his quad the same way as yatesused to.