Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

Here you go: Striated and soft quads Consider yourself owned as well



Oh, and Hardness most definitely is visible...you can clearly see when one competitor is harder than another...do you think people just made this up? NO...they clearly saw that Dorian's was the hardest man on stage.

Man you just owned them ALL with one pictures LMFAO you beat me to it but great job .

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes but that softness is a result of OIL at that point.

not water retention.

Among your dumbest posts ever lol OIL in his quad lmmfao

[NarcissisticDeity]

what do you mean, im not saying hardness isnt able to be deciphered, its just not a quality in itself like you meatbags are suggesting.


if it is please tell me how to see hardness, how to judge hardness? HOW DO I SEE HARDNESS OBJECTIVELY?

Hey moron you were just proven dead-wrong , your assessment that one cannot be striated and holding water is like all your other claims WRONG go away now. 

[Hulkster]

Among your dumbest posts ever lol OIL in his quad lmmfao

you obviously did not see my last post.

I was referring to the smoothness of his arm/delts.

[Hulkster]

When it comes to arms, Yates reeks of mediocrity. The worst attributes mixed together with a few saving graces that allow him one good side-tri shot.

very true.

dorian has the somewhat dubious distinction of being the only Mr. Olympia in history to have arms that look like utter garbage from any conceivable angle- except one:


the side tri.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I don't think I have ever seen a post that has less substance than this one...

LOL - "do not comment on who is better conditioned"?

why not? because I might be correct? and have visual proof to back it up?



lol - not an accurate depiction of dorian's conditioning knowing what we know?



what is it that we know?

that ronnie is more ripped and detailed? and probably in better condition as a result?

damn right:


 - biased garbage?

no ND here is a lesson for you:

saying ronnie is better conditioned  overall is not 'biased garbage'

on the contrary.

It is easily supported:

Your argument is contingent on photos and ignorance ( striations & detail ) that are according to eyewitnesses are an inaccurate means to properly gauge his overall conditioning , were you there in 1993? NO were you there in 2001? NO so spare me who is better conditioned , even if you were there the following prevents you from giving an accurate description of his conditioning , bias , ignorance , position , etc for you two claim one has better conditioning than the other based on a few photos shows just how stupid you really are , but then again you've shown us all just how stupid you are with each post lol Oil in the quad LMMFAO I'm still laughing at that one.

[Necrosis]

I've posted at least 5 different quotes all all from eyewitnesses saying Dorian looks 10 times better in person than he does in print or film , and you cannot accurately determine Dorian's conditioning with A ) taking this information in and B ) not being their in person on both mentioned occasions with both bodybuilders , and I never once claimed Ronnie doesn't look better or the same , I said I've never once said I read that attribute about Ronnie , if you have it feel free to post it until then stop crying and please quote me correctly or don't quote me at all because any misinformation from you will be quickly corrected

I didn't say pictures if Dorian could have been taken better , the photographer of that particular series of shots said they were terrible from a technical standpoint and couple that with his quote that a bodyweight of 280-285 pounds his conditioning has not been surpassed , now factor in the black & whites aren't the best representation of that physique and why? lets see gym shots in dark light , sure it helps to an extent but given time to be tanned , have posing oil applied and under contest lighting he would be that more impressive to argue to the contrary is just nonsense hence why all of those things are done at a show to fully accentuate the physique to its maximum potential

I never once claimed this , is this what you've been reduced to? you don't have anything to work with and now you're making stuff up? lol


I never once claimed Ronnie's lighting has always been optimal thats another LIE you pulled that rabbit out of your ass , I said sometimes harsh lighting can effect Dorian MORE than Ronnie in pics & video ( and in person to an extent ) because he has naturally fair skin and Ronnie obviously doesn't , both Ronnie & Dorian have had contests were the lighting hasn't been optimal , but my point was YOU CANNOT ascertain his level of conditioning knowing this information based on a faulty means such as photos & videos , you'd be working with more if you live & in person but you'd still have problems with intangibles , bias , preference , ignorance ( seeing we're having the conversation it proves you're ignorant  ) etc so either way you're fucked

absolute BULLSHIT this statement among the others show how little you know , muscle dryness is just another term for conditioning and ' definition ' how does one become dry ? shedding excess water & subcutaneous fat , what happens when muscles are rid of water & fat the muscles become DRY & HARD you know the opposite of SOFT & HOLDING water , well for the idiots how does one tell if a person is DRY & HARD ? they don't hydrostatically weigh each competitor before , during a contest , well of course not silly , the judges do it VISUALLY for the retarded that was visually , well how does one visually tell if a competitor is DRY & HARD ? a number of ways including , thinness of skin , muscle separations and yes even striations , yet one can carry a film of water and still be striated so while its a part of the ' definition ' its NOT the only part and not always accurate , with every post you make you reveal how little you know

First of all if you knew anything about how bodybuilding contests are judged you'd know that in the symmetry round competitors are NOT judged on symmetry alone as its own separate entity , ALL ROUNDS are physique rounds , same with the muscularity round , symmetry refers to right/left exactness and I hate to break it to you nothing in nature is truly symmetrical , you think both of Ronnie Colemans arms measure lets say 22' 5'16" ? NO of course NOT while I'm sure they do look at this to an extent the symmetry round is more based in proportional & balanced development , which my friend Dorian has the clear edge in regardless if you disagree

Again striations are genetic , hence why Ronnie never had them in his rectus femoris , or long head triceps not matter how great his conditioning was and you're right some people do get striations after a while and its usually dependent of conditioning factors and even well conditioned bodybuilders cane be striated in other places but not in the glutes , why? because they're one of the last places to be rid of excess water & fat

Absolutely see Ronnie Coleman 2000 Mr Olympia its very possible to be dry in one area and be holding water in others , and its possible to have a film of water over striated muscle

More filler because you don't have ZERO to work with

I never said they don't make you look better , I said given the right set of circumstances all the black & white shots of Dorian would look even better

MONSTER stupid insanely moronic statement of epic proportions , this isn't worthy or a honest reply , you should be ashamed of every typing this again , seriously dude if you want to EVERY even for a pico-second be taken seriously spare yourself

Symmetry under what context? right/left exactness? well it was never symmetrical to begin with , under the context of proportion in relation not it wouldn't hurt his ' symmetry ' or should I say it never effected his symmetry 


All of your ignorant nonsense if addressed , dismantled , dismissed and corrected , I don't need to run from ANYTHING you claim , you're not even a worthy adversary , like 10 out of 10 Coleman fans that preceded you , you DO NOT KNOW how physique contests are judged , you don't know the criteria ( definition round ring a bell ? ) and you don't know the terminology , I have exposed you for what you are..........simple , so do yourself a favor and run along back to the religious board because maybe you had better luck there then you ever had here and thats only because I wasn't there 

jesus everything you said was wrong, nothing is symmetrical the most symmetrical is awarded. you cant see dryness or hardness apart from seperations, cuts and striations. please tell me how.

his calves are way to big for his tiny quads, they are as narrow as shit, with no shape, little size compared to ronnie,little seperation.

you have no idea what your talking about you cling to the same arguments that have already been shown to be false but your ignorance keeps this thread going.

so according to you since nothing is symmetrical i could have one 22 inch arm and one 14 inch arm and it wouldnt matter? this is the logic your are portraying, its fantastical.

how did he own me with a picture, you guys have comprehension problems as has already been pointed out. soft quads that hold water are not seperated, not striated, not cut.

your picture has inadvertenly given me ammo. how are the quads soft, there is little seperation and faint striations. there is no upper seperation and he totally lacks cuts. please post a pic of ronnies and dorians legs and tell me how one is hard and the other soft. hardness is not an objective criteria. you cant see hardness in itself.

his level of cuts is poor, seperation is superficial and striations are poor, equals a less then striated quad.

[NarcissisticDeity]

you obviously did not see my last post.

I was referring to the smoothness of his arm/delts.

LMFAO what does that have to do with his striated quad covered in a flim of water? LMFAO

[delta9mda]

I swear sometimes I can't help but think dorian's arms are among the smoothest ever seen on a bb stage.

seriously.

have you ever seen smoother arms than these?:

polished marble is smooth, hope this helps.

[Necrosis]

ive already said, go back and read, that using ronnie as an example the level of striations and cuts, and seperation is negatively correlated with dryness using his glutes for an example. what does your picture prove if not that? he has shit seperation, shit cuts, and shit striations, his hams from the side, and upper quad has no seperation etc hence he is holding water. here is an example of a seperated quad, with cuts, compare that to the week before and you can see that water levels reflect these qualities.

[NarcissisticDeity]

jesus everything you said was wrong, nothing is symmetrical the most symmetrical is awarded. you cant see dryness or hardness apart from seperations, cuts and striations. please tell me how.

his calves are way to big for his tiny quads, they are as narrow as shit, with no shape, little size compared to ronnie,little seperation.

you have no idea what your talking about you cling to the same arguments that have already been shown to be false but your ignorance keeps this thread going.

so according to you since nothing is symmetrical i could have one 22 inch arm and one 14 inch arm and it wouldnt matter? this is the logic your are portraying, its fantastical.

how did he own me with a picture, you guys have comprehension problems as has already been pointed out. soft quads that hold water are not seperated, not striated, not cut.

your picture has inadvertenly given me ammo. how are the quads soft, there is little seperation and faint striations. there is no upper seperation and he totally lacks cuts. please post a pic of ronnies and dorians legs and tell me how one is hard and the other soft. hardness is not an objective criteria. you cant see hardness in itself.

his level of cuts is poor, seperation is superficial and striations are poor, equals a less then striated quad.

esus everything you said was wrong, nothing is symmetrical the most symmetrical is awarded. you cant see dryness or hardness apart from seperations, cuts and striations. please tell me how.

Nothing I said was wrong it all holds up , you wouldn't know this because you're lost in this debate because you don't have the tools to compete , again nothing in nature is truly symmetrical and taking that into consideration all rounds are physique rounds , symmetry in itself is NOT judged as a separate entity the same with muscularity , and Dorian's biceps pre-tear were NOT symmetrical how do you think he won the symmetry round pre & post tear? and you can't see dryness & hardness ? sure you can its visual the byproduct of being hard & dry is , muscle separations , muscle detail and striations and you can clearly see when a bodybuilder is soft & holding water , it obscures the muscular separations , it smooths muscle and the detail can appear blurry , here is a direct quote from an IFBB judge commenting on Dorian's HARDNES not definition 

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.

Why would a IFBB judge comment on a criteria YOU say isn't a criteria? how can this be? I'll tell you you're fucking wrong

Hey wait here is another IFBB judge commenting of Kevin Levrone being SOFT during pre-judging

Added Rockell: Dorian had a SLIGHT injury but as far as I'm concerned , it had NO bearing whatsoever. He was just so dense it made no overall difference. Paul's major deficiencies were in his back : not enough muscularity for his large frame. also basic stamina throughout was in question ; during call-outs , he was breathing heavy and bending over.

Kevin has it all but was a little soft in prejudging , which hurt him. He wasn't quite as sharp as Shawn , but it was very close between second and third. It came down to the posedown ( Which Shawn won by a single point ).

hey wait a different IFBB judge commenting of the opposite of HARDNESS and thats SOFTNESS how can this be if its not a part of the IFBB judging criteria ? why didn't he say " Kevin has it all but his ' definition ' was a little off in prejudging. " how can this be? I'll tell you because you're fucking dead wrong 

his calves are way to big for his tiny quads, they are as narrow as shit, with no shape, little size compared to ronnie,little seperation.

It seems all Coleman fans are fond of melodramatic statements , his calves are way to big for his ' tiny ' quads lol tiny? his calves are in proportion with his quads , you're to used to looking at Ronnie as a baseline refrain from that he's NOT a good template , and the irony of a Coleman fan talking about lower-leg imbalance is mindboggling lol pre-tear there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with Dorian's lower balance & proportion , shape ( thats a preference issue with you ) size ( tiny  ) little size compared to Ronnie depending on the year Ronnie does have an obvious size advantage as well as sweep , however the other problem with Dorian's separation lies with his rectus femoris it's never been outstanding , however the rest of his quads show great separation especially in the satorius & tensor fasciae latae much more ' defined '  than Ronnie's and there is nothing wrong with his vastus medialis or laterialis

you have no idea what your talking about you cling to the same arguments that have already been shown to be false but your ignorance keeps this thread going.

Ha ha ha ha meltdown statement , I know exactly what I'm talking about and thats why you're so frustrated because you know damn well your assessments are easily disposed of like the trash they are , if I really didn't know what I was talking about this thread would have NEVER been this long the length of this thread is spent on Camp-delusional trying every concievable angle to win the argument , from Ronnie would win because of his superior x-frame , more lumpiness in his back ( lol I love that one ) he's better balanced ( another gem ) he has better conditioning , and Ronnie 1999 actually had more detail in his calves than Dorian lol all dismissed , corrected and they keep trying new angles and yet to succeed , much like you

so according to you since nothing is symmetrical i could have one 22 inch arm and one 14 inch arm and it wouldnt matter? this is the logic your are portraying, its fantastical.

Monster melodramatic statement , first NO bodybuilder has that much of a size discrepancy , and once again all rounds are physique rounds , symmetry isn't judged as its own separate entity , now factor in Dorian pre-tear never has ' symmetrical biceps ' yet he still managed to win the symmetry round with straight firsts and factor in post-tear he still did and the judges addressed the point specifically and said the tear made NO OVERALL difference your claim that A ) the symmetry round is a separate is distinct criteria judged in the symmetry round is WRONG and B) its moot even if it were judged that way because he  B.1) he never had symmetrical biceps to begin with and B.2 ) the judges said it made NO overall difference and B.3 ) Not all Ronnie's muscles are exactly the same size and shape I can post pictures to prove this but I wont because they whole point is its REDUNDANT its not what you think it is

how did he own me with a picture, you guys have comprehension problems as has already been pointed out. soft quads that hold water are not seperated, not striated, not cut.

He owned you and anyone else who agreed with you that striations can be visible while holding water & fat , I know you're a proud man but you're obviously wrong on this , be a man and admit you're wrong I mean seriously , I mean this is getting sad

your picture has inadvertenly given me ammo. how are the quads soft, there is little seperation and faint striations. there is no upper seperation and he totally lacks cuts. please post a pic of ronnies and dorians legs and tell me how one is hard and the other soft. hardness is not an objective criteria. you cant see hardness in itself.

his level of cuts is poor, seperation is superficial and striations are poor, equals a less then striated quad.

see above I mean get serious , its check mate

[Hulkster]

polished marble is smooth, hope this helps.

no it doesn't, since this is bodybuilding competition.

smoothness is not an advantage.

[NarcissisticDeity]

no it doesn't, since this is bodybuilding competition.

smoothness is not an advantage.

Again Dorian was NEVER smooth in the context you're implying , stop saying he's smooth that refers to holding water & fat thats NOT Yates , his overall conditioning is legendary not 70% of his conditioning but his complete conditioning.

[Hulkster]

Your argument is contingent on photos and ignorance ( striations & detail ) that are according to eyewitnesses are an inaccurate means to properly gauge his overall conditioning

oh, and light waves bouncing off of dorian's muscle fibres fooling our retina's into thinking dorian is smooth is accurate?

 

you make no sense what so ever.

Let me ask you this:

you are so quick to point out that it is 'garbage' that ronnie might be more conditioned than dorian, yet you say this given that there is lots of evidence (pics/screencaps) that show that he probably IS better conditioned at his very best.

BUT you say that the pics and screencaps are "inaccurate"

therefore, HOW EXACTLY DO YOU KNOW THAT IT IS "GARBAGE" THEN?

 I would love an answer to this one...

personally, I  believe that the ONLY reason why you claim that pics/screencaps are 'inaccurate' is that they show EXACTLY what you DON'T WANT them to show:

that peak ronnie was better conditioned than dorian yates.

[Necrosis]

Again Dorian was NEVER smooth in the context you're implying , stop saying he's smooth that refers to holding water & fat thats NOT Yates , his overall conditioning is legendary not 70% of his conditioning but his complete conditioning.

you agian have a reading comprehension problem you dont even have the tools to understand a simple post.HARDNESS AND SMOOTHNESS EXIST I NEVER DENIED IT MORON. they are not entities you can judge apart from level of seperations, cuts, and striations.

HARDNESS EXISTS, IT IS THE LEVEL OF SEPERATIONS, CUTS AND STRIATIONS, IT REFERS TO THE LEVEL OF WATER AND FAT, BUT IN ITSELF IS NOT A CRITERIA BUT CONDITIONING IS A BY-PRODUCT OF LOW WATER AND FAT.

the caps should help you understand.

if ronnies quads were to big for his calves how arent dorians quads to small for his calves.

[pobrecito]

This is legendary.

Coleman is not.

[pobrecito]

if ronnies quads were to big for his calves how arent dorians quads to small for his calves.

  Please tell me you are not this stupid

[Hulkster]

This is legendary.

Coleman is not.

what a great post

notice how since the dorian side has been getting destroyed by reality and its own patheticness (fake pics/photoelectric effects) you have not been posting here as much.

I don't blame you.

If I were you, I'd be embarrased too.

[Hulkster]

you agian have a reading comprehension problem you dont even have the tools to understand a simple post.

apparently, ND is still struggling at the foothills of the mountain:


 

[Necrosis]

heres some pics of yates calves being too large for his quads. not to mention ray totally dominating him in quad size and condition, with better quad to calf proportion.

[pobrecito]

Damn, Dorian is owning kevin and the midget there 

[Necrosis]

another shot of yates imbalance. theres better ones but my shit pc wont load them. whos balance and condition looks better here, anyone with eyes can see ronnie is dominating.

[pobrecito]

hahahah....Yates is owning Coleman there.....too bad the picture cuts off at half-calf or else the owning would be even worse!!! hahahahahahaha

[Necrosis]

Damn, Dorian is owning kevin and the midget there 

his upperbody is for sure, his lower body is losing badly to ray though, on every level. his quads are even smaller even though he is way heavier. ray has better proportion,conditioning,symmetry,size and shape in the lower body.

[Necrosis]

hahahah....Yates is owning Coleman there.....too bad the picture cuts off at half-calf or else the owning would be even worse!!! hahahahahahaha

you must be on something, his calves to quads looks good there, not to mention his bigger better shaped quads. more cut, and seperated quads, and his waist is smaller. dorian has a teardrop for a quad hahahaha