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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25850 on: March 05, 2007, 03:05:50 PM »
Great post ! great points ! a 244-247 pound Ronnie is going to make a 260 pound Dorian look small lol and Ronnie 2001 may have equaled Dorian in terms of hardness & dryness in 2001 but he was smaller , had lackluster balance , lacked Yates' density ! you pick a year and the criteria still favor's Dorian .

he was perfectly balanced. please show us the lackluster balance. bwhahahah. ya lets throw out ronnies full muscle bellies, shape etc. ronnie looked bigger then dorian with better condition. you cant get over the fact that lighter people can look larger. based on bone structure and muscle shape can you.

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« Reply #25851 on: March 05, 2007, 03:21:42 PM »
he was perfectly balanced. please show us the lackluster balance. bwhahahah. ya lets throw out ronnies full muscle bellies, shape etc. ronnie looked bigger then dorian with better condition. you cant get over the fact that lighter people can look larger. based on bone structure and muscle shape can you.

true, but yates has a larger bone structure than coleman.

their condition was pretty equal.

both were very dry, but yates has the edge in hardness and ronnie has more striations, details, etc. 

dorian also has the most density of any bber of all time.

if a nasser, paul, fux, louie, etc. arent going to dwraf dorian, a 247 lbs. ronnie sure as hell aint.

ronnie was dwrafed in 01 by dennis and titus and at the 98 O, coleman was bigger and was still majorily dwrafed by nasser. 

let alone dorian.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25852 on: March 05, 2007, 03:31:10 PM »
he was perfectly balanced. please show us the lackluster balance. bwhahahah. ya lets throw out ronnies full muscle bellies, shape etc. ronnie looked bigger then dorian with better condition. you cant get over the fact that lighter people can look larger. based on bone structure and muscle shape can you.

Perfectly balanced? blanket statement which you my friend are very fond of NOTHING perfect about his balance kid at all , okay now pay attention to this critique of lackuster balance and proportion ( front double biceps )

starting at the bottom small & high calves lacking proportion in relation to his quads , although its better than when he gets heavier its still noticeable ! moving up to the quads which obviously dominate the calves but his glutes can be seen from the front thats NOT proportion not when you can see your ass from the front thats overdeveloped , he still has a relatively short tosro and long legs thats a balance issue and his biceps and triceps overwhelm his forearms again a proportion issue

back double biceps

Same high small calves in relation to his quads , same overdeveloped glutes sticking out , he has a heavyweights back and superheavyweights biceps/triceps again with the proportion issue in relation to his forearms , biceps/triceps making his deltoids look small in this pose another obvious proportion problem , same flaws as always same balance and proportion issues , nothing new

and Titus and James made Ronnie look small and NEITHER are a bone dry & rock hard 260 pounds to claim Ronnie at his smallest would look bigger than Yates is laughable , sure he looks bigger but Yates IS bigger and again a 318 pound Lou Ferrigno and a 275 pound Paul Dillett couldn't make Dorian look small but a 247 max Ronnie is LMFAO kid go away and come back when you learn something about this game.  ;)



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25853 on: March 05, 2007, 03:52:12 PM »
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lol I already explained that I'm not a big fan of Dorian's physique

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
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I respect Dorian's physique much more than I used to but I would never want to look like him , I don't follow his training style and I've gone on record as saying Flex 1993 ASC would beat ANY Dorian  ;) it's called being objective , I don't have to want to be like Dorian to think Dorian would beat Ronnie , learn this  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25855 on: March 05, 2007, 04:07:21 PM »
I have witnessed both shows live... Mr. O '93 and the Arnold Classic '01. At the O I was probably 15 rows away from the stage sitting in the center... at the Arnold I was sitting right behind the judges... I could look at their score sheets during pre-judging. I was blown away by Dorian's appearance and impressed with Coleman that he tightened up again after his lackluster 2000 showing a few months earlier at the O. However, I was not blown away by his appearance and to this day I am convinced had the '93 Dorian been on that stage he would have defeated Coleman... there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever.

Game fucking over Hulkster. This is an excellent post for the single reason that it is a FIRST HAND ACCOUNT of a person who was at both shows, not some retard sitting at his computer telling us Dorian is the most overrated BB of all-time ::)




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25856 on: March 05, 2007, 04:08:44 PM »
the dorian of '93 was huge, massive, rock hard, grainy and complete. like someone from another star. again, you need to see for yourself... you need to see him live.. THERE IS NO COMPARISON...PHOTOS DO NOT DO DORIAN JUSTICE... coleman was in great condition... i admit and i was impressed... overall he did not have the same wow effect... i wish you would have seen for yourself. i will think about how i can explain that better tomorrow... gotta run for now.

Great post again.

This simply confirms Bannouts statement that Dorian got "1st, 2nd, and 3rd" in 93.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25857 on: March 05, 2007, 04:14:01 PM »

you just used dorian from 95 vs. the best of ronnie for various years. 

thanks. 

Well, I couldn't find pics of Ronnie from 1 year that he is posing with all of the mandatories. If you have them, please post.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25858 on: March 05, 2007, 04:14:19 PM »
quotes are useless this sport is a visual one pictures don't lie LMFAO

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25859 on: March 05, 2007, 04:15:21 PM »
Great post again.

This simply confirms Bannouts statement that Dorian got "1st, 2nd, and 3rd" in 93.


LMFAO Hulkster has gone on record that Dorian lost in 1993 lol this is who we're dealing with lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25860 on: March 05, 2007, 04:16:55 PM »
When is this heap of shit thread gonna be shot to death and deleted?

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« Reply #25861 on: March 05, 2007, 04:31:50 PM »
Well, I couldn't find pics of Ronnie from 1 year that he is posing with all of the mandatories. If you have them, please post.

ok, fair enough.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25862 on: March 05, 2007, 05:13:42 PM »
Who has called me more biased YOU? or Hulkster? lol I already explained that I'm not a big fan of Dorian's physique I would never want to look like him and I was routing for Flex Wheeler in 1993 , the difference between ME and you guys is I can separate my personal preferences from my opinion of who would win using the IFBB criteria , it's called being objective something you guys most certainly NOT and your bias is best summed up by your comment about the rear latspreads as it being a matter of ' personal preference ' when it most certainly NOT its a matter of criteria and I've said many times that Dorian could lose to Ronnie , its not out of the question , if anything it would be close and you delusional super-groupies act like you're doing Dorian a favor by even associating his name next to Ronnie for this simple fact I'm no where near as biased as you people NOT by a long shot , so take a look into the mirror before you claim I'm biased

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Find me ONE single quote that specifically states Ronnie looks better in person than in photos , not some vague reference

completely irrelevant. Even if I can't find a quote, that still doesn't mean it's not true. Also, if you want to play that game, several writers have described Ronnie as being from another planet. The same does not hold true for Dorian.

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and NO-fucking-Kidding the pic's are out of focus you moron and they don't show Ronnie at his best it was a taste of you & Hulkster's own medicine , YOU like him are hypocrites through and through , you've posted personally shots of Dorian NOT at his best as a template for his overall conditioning and I've said its inaccurate , hell the most muscular of Dorian 1993 and Ronnie 2001 Arnold Classic is a perfect example of this and that was more of a dig against Hulkster because he said quotes were useless so using his warped logic I applied the same to Ronnie and I know its not accurate its called being the Devil's advocate and it worked because he started back peddling , so get with the program and YOU of all people have NO right to complain about the quality of pictures , the scale of pictures

epic bullshit. The only times I've posted a less-than-flattering shot of Dorian were in response to one of you guys posting the worst pics of Ronnie you can find. For example, I posted the shot of 95 Dorian looking soft as play dough after one of you guys (I think it was Pubes) posted the blurry pic of 01 ASC Ronnie hitting a rear double biceps. Regarding the most muscular comparison I made, I don't see how the pic of Dorian I used is biased. It was the best shot of Dorian I could find.

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most of the statements are just pointing out the obvious , how Ronnie dominated the field in 2003 and Flex & Fux feel Ronnie is the best ever more power to them , I have opinions of Pros as well the bottom like on such a subjective matter no one is wrong but these type of quotes I don't rely on for validation its others like balance , conditioning , criteria , etc , so nice try at playing MY GAME but you've proved nothing

there's a difference between your opinion and theirs. All of the quotes I posted are from people who understand the judging criteria better than you. Guess what? They all say that Ronnie is unbeatable. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25863 on: March 05, 2007, 05:17:03 PM »


completely irrelevant. Even if I can't find a quote, that still doesn't mean it's not true. Also, if you want to play that game, several writers have described Ronnie as being from another planet. The same does not hold true for Dorian.



there's a difference between your opinion and theirs. All of the quotes I posted are from people who understand the judging criteria better than you. Guess what? They all say that Ronnie is unbeatable. ;)

the dorian of '93 was huge, massive, rock hard, grainy and complete. like someone from another star. again, you need to see for yourself... you need to see him live.. THERE IS NO COMPARISON...PHOTOS DO NOT DO DORIAN JUSTICE... coleman was in great condition... i admit and i was impressed... overall he did not have the same wow effect... i wish you would have seen for yourself. i will think about how i can explain that better tomorrow... gotta run for now.

Ronnie at the 01ASC was a myth.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25864 on: March 05, 2007, 05:32:13 PM »
yawn, "I'm not biased, but you are b/c I said so." ::)

completely irrelevant. Even if I can't find a quote, that still doesn't mean it's not true. Also, if you want to play that game, several writers have described Ronnie as being from another planet. The same does not hold true for Dorian.

epic bullshit. The only times I've posted a less-than-flattering shot of Dorian were in response to one of you guys posting the worst pics of Ronnie you can find. For example, I posted the shot of 95 Dorian looking soft as play dough after one of you guys (I think it was Pubes) posted the blurry pic of 01 ASC Ronnie hitting a rear double biceps. Regarding the most muscular comparison I made, I don't see how the pic of Dorian I used is biased. It was the best shot of Dorian I could find.

there's a difference between your opinion and theirs. All of the quotes I posted are from people who understand the judging criteria better than you. Guess what? They all say that Ronnie is unbeatable. ;)

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yawn, "I'm not biased, but you are b/c I said so." ::)

No you're biased because YOU said so with dumb comments and statements , like ' it all comes down to personal preference ' all the while ignoring established criteria that clearly favor Yates , I can be objective you cannot big difference  ;)

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completely irrelevant. Even if I can't find a quote, that still doesn't mean it's not true. Also, if you want to play that game, several writers have described Ronnie as being from another planet. The same does not hold true for Dorian.

Of course it's irrelevant because it doesn't fit your opinion lol and it is most relevant to the topic because you're basing your opinion on inaccurate means , and I've yet to see the same quote applied to Ronnie in every single contest report I've read and many times I've read it about Dorian


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epic bullshit. The only times I've posted a less-than-flattering shot of Dorian were in response to one of you guys posting the worst pics of Ronnie you can find. For example, I posted the shot of 95 Dorian looking soft as play dough after one of you guys (I think it was Pubes) posted the blurry pic of 01 ASC Ronnie hitting a rear double biceps. Regarding the most muscular comparison I made, I don't see how the pic of Dorian I used is biased. It was the best shot of Dorian I could find.

Nonsense the pic you posted of Yates in the most muscular is NOT an accurate depiction of Yates yet YOU choose it specifically to prove a point and it only proved you're biased and fear a more accurate pic and that would be the most muscular from 1995 and again Dorian may appear soft in that picture but is he? NO the contest report from Peter McGough stated specifically

Flex magazine Dec 1995

Dorian Yates : Skin like tissue paper. In the crucial front double-biceps shot , the left bicep is short , but NOT fatally so. Traps look as if they have the capacity to render him deaf. Back , upper and lower , is sensational in EVERY respect : width , thickness and detail. Side triceps is a masterpiece that he's made into a Broadway production number. Thighs have more sweep than before . Calves? Yates wrote the book on calves . In muscle thickness , he's in a class of his own . Today's combination of size , proportion , shape and condition make this his peak form.


you're ignorant if you think he was soft , Dorian 1995 was bone dry and rock hard his conditioning was spot on period , end of sentence . and spare me the line that was 1995 and bodybuilder improve because Ronnie has NEVER been 260 pounds bone dry & rock hard , in fact who has equaled Dorian in this respect? I can't think of anyone

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there's a difference between your opinion and theirs. All of the quotes I posted are from people who understand the judging criteria better than you. Guess what? They all say that Ronnie is unbeatable. ;)

LMFAO understanding the criteria better than me? then the same can be said with the quotes I posted which crush your notion that Ronnie has better balance and conditioning , and thats a moot point because at the end of the day its an opinion on a very subjective matter and the judges decide who is the superior bodybuilder in terms of balanced development , muscular bulk , muscle density and definition and seeing my UNDERSTANDING of the criteria crushes yours and all of your cohorts I'll say Dorian meets that criteria better than Ronnie  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25865 on: March 05, 2007, 05:34:26 PM »
Ronnie at the 01ASC was a myth.

No this post quotes mean nothing , give the hypocrites 20 more posts to find a ' pro-Ronnie ' quote then quotes will matter again lol they work with nothing thats why they're hypocrites .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25866 on: March 05, 2007, 05:43:48 PM »
Which most muscular looks better? and thats all Neo could find  ::) its not like this pic hasn't been posted dozens of times , you choose that one as a slanted comparison to try and prove a point that Dorian is softer than Ronnie and its b.s bias at its best , if thas what you're working with it shows how confident you are in Ronnie  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25867 on: March 05, 2007, 06:15:45 PM »
And I have already answered this one several times: grain. When you drop bodyfat and water, it is not only the amount of separations and striaitons that increase, but the texture o the skin also changes. Look at the skin of someone who's morbidly obese and that of a bodybilder in top contest shape. Obviously, the bodybuilder will have a more separated musculature. Now, howwever, ignore the separation and striation lines and ocus exclusively on the skin. What is apparent to the eyes? That the bodybuilder's in top shape skin has a harder appearance to it. The less subcutaeous water one has, the "stonier" a muscle looks. Some bodybuilders show improvements in conditioning more through grain than through an increase in separations and striations.

you assume that a grainy appearance is indicative of good conditioning. To me, it's a sign of bad skin. I've seen tanners with 12% body fat look "hard" and leathery b/c their skin is so unhealthy. Conversely, both Ronnie and Flex have good skin and they never looked grainy.

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Coleman's 2001 ASC shape is by no means an epitome of conditioning. It was the best for Coleman, but that's it. When Dorian stepped ostage during the first call-out of pre-judging at the 1995 Olympia, the contest was over. He wasn't the biggest guy onstage, but it was over. He would have won that contest even if he had nothing besides his conditioning; his coditioning instantly became legendary. Bodybuilding writers were raving about how he set the gold-standard for dryness that has never been equalled. Was the same said about Coleman's 2001 ASC shape? No. The buzz is that it was the best for him, not when compared with others.

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Between two bodybuilders who are at 3% bodyat, does the one who has the least subcutaneous water look harder? Sure he does. Among two bodybuilders who are dehydrated, but one has 3% bodyfat and the other has 7%, will the one with 3% bodyat look harder? Sure. Now, does acne as an independent variable make one look harder? No, it doesen't. Sorry, sport, but you're wrong. But then, since you have already conceded that Dorian's graininess is at least partially the result of low subcutaneous fat and water levels, the discussion is over.

between two bodybuilders, each with 4% body fat, I contend the one with acne will look more grainy. Obviously the effect won't be as pronounced if we compared them with higher fat and water levels. The same applies to dryness. If we compare two obese individuals - one with normal water levels and one who is dehydrated - the difference that dryness makes is less noticable than if we compared both at 4% body fat.

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Judging by your pics, my guess is that you and Pumpy are both Bowflex aficionados...

oh man, I can't wait to see your Mr. Getbig pics. This will be good. ;D

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Like saying that you're a competitive bodybuilder, as an example?

if competing in multiple bodybuilding contests makes me a competitive bodybuilder, then I suppose I am.

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But you're still a virgin, correct?

no

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25868 on: March 05, 2007, 06:25:02 PM »
You keep posting this like its a matter of fact , just in case you missed it , did you see the question mark at the end? it's posed as question not stated as fact .

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« Reply #25869 on: March 05, 2007, 06:38:38 PM »
No you're biased because YOU said so with dumb comments and statements , like ' it all comes down to personal preference ' all the while ignoring established criteria that clearly favor Yates , I can be objective you cannot big difference

bwahahahahaha, I wonder if you actually believe this shit. The reason I said they tie in both rear poses is b/c Ronnie and Dorian each have something the other doesn't have to offer. Dorian has better definition in his back while Ronnie has better muscular bulk. Dorian looks slightly harder in his upper body while Ronnie looks harder in his lower body. Dorian has more proportionate calves while Ronnie has more proportionate arms. Neither bodybuilder convincingly edges out the other from the back. You're biased if you think one criteria outweighs another.

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Of course it's irrelevant because it doesn't fit your opinion lol and it is most relevant to the topic because you're basing your opinion on inaccurate means , and I've yet to see the same quote applied to Ronnie in every single contest report I've read and many times I've read it about Dorian

it's irrelevant b/c you assume if nobody said that about Ronnie, then it doesn't apply to him. Obviously this is not true. If someone said that Tamali looks bigger in person than he does in pics, does that mean he's the only bodybuilder this applies to and no one else? No.

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Nonsense the pic you posted of Yates in the most muscular is NOT an accurate depiction of Yates yet YOU choose it specifically to prove a point and it only proved you're biased and fear a more accurate pic and that would be the most muscular from 1995 and again Dorian may appear soft in that picture but is he? NO the contest report from Peter McGough stated specifically

bullshit, I challenge you to post a better most muscular pic of Dorian from 93. That is the best one I could find. I don't see how you can say it's not an accurate depiction of Dorian when it's from his best year. Least of all, I don't understand how you can claim that I fear a most muscular comparison between Ronnie and Dorian. Are you kidding me? The fact that you're bitching over arguably the best shot of Dorian hitting that pose is proof enough that Ronnie owns Dorian in the most muscular.

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LMFAO understanding the criteria better than me? then the same can be said with the quotes I posted which crush your notion that Ronnie has better balance and conditioning , and thats a moot point because at the end of the day its an opinion on a very subjective matter and the judges decide who is the superior bodybuilder in terms of balanced development , muscular bulk , muscle density and definition and seeing my UNDERSTANDING of the criteria crushes yours and all of your cohorts I'll say Dorian meets that criteria better than Ronnie

so now you know more about judging criteria than Peter McGough, Flex Wheeler, Jean Pierre Fux, Paul Dillet, and Dexter Jackson? ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25870 on: March 05, 2007, 06:42:28 PM »
Which most muscular looks better? and thats all Neo could find its not like this pic hasn't been posted dozens of times , you choose that one as a slanted comparison to try and prove a point that Dorian is softer than Ronnie and its b.s bias at its best , if thas what you're working with it shows how confident you are in Ronnie

oh yes, such a huge difference. ::)




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25871 on: March 05, 2007, 06:43:24 PM »
NeoSemen,

this member just rendered all your typing useless hahahahahahaha


the dorian of '93 was huge, massive, rock hard, grainy and complete. like someone from another star. again, you need to see for yourself... you need to see him live.. THERE IS NO COMPARISON...PHOTOS DO NOT DO DORIAN JUSTICE... coleman was in great condition... i admit and i was impressed... overall he did not have the same wow effect... i wish you would have seen for yourself. i will think about how i can explain that better tomorrow... gotta run for now.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25872 on: March 05, 2007, 06:49:05 PM »
Sir NeoSeminole

this member just rendered all your typing useless hahahahahahaha

not really, do I need to find the posts from several members on Getbig who saw Dorian compete and said that he should have lost? By the way, Peter McGough has seen Ronnie and Dorian on stage. Guess what? He says Ronnie is unbeatable. No offense to the guy you quoted, but I would rather take Peter's word. When your guy starts writing the Mr. Olympia commentary for a reputable bodybuilding magazine, then maybe I'll listen. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25873 on: March 05, 2007, 06:52:51 PM »
not really, do I need to find the posts from several members on Getbig who saw Dorian compete and said that he should have lost? By the way, Peter McGough has seen Ronnie and Dorian on stage. Guess what? He says Ronnie is unbeatable. No offense to the guy you quoted, but I would rather take Peter's word. When your guy starts writing the Mr. Olympia commentary for a reputable bodybuilding magazine, then maybe I'll listen. ;)

I have never heard a member say Dorian should have lost.

Also, Ronnie is the only Mr. Olympia to be booed off the stage.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25874 on: March 05, 2007, 07:01:57 PM »
bwahahahahaha, I wonder if you actually believe this shit. The reason I said they tie in both rear poses is b/c Ronnie and Dorian each have something the other doesn't have to offer. Dorian has better definition in his back while Ronnie has better muscular bulk. Dorian looks slightly harder in his upper body while Ronnie looks harder in his lower body. Dorian has more proportionate calves while Ronnie has more proportionate arms. Neither bodybuilder convincingly edges out the other from the back. You're biased if you think one criteria outweighs another.

it's irrelevant b/c you assume if nobody said that about Ronnie, then it doesn't apply to him. Obviously this is not true. If someone said that Tamali looks bigger in person than he does in pics, does that mean he's the only bodybuilder this applies to and no one else? No.

bullshit, I challenge you to post a better most muscular pic of Dorian from 93. That is the best one I could find. I don't see how you can say it's not an accurate depiction of Dorian when it's from his best year. Least of all, I don't understand how you can claim that I fear a most muscular comparison between Ronnie and Dorian. Are you kidding me? The fact that you're bitching over arguably the best shot of Dorian hitting that pose is proof enough that Ronnie owns Dorian in the most muscular.

so now you know more about judging criteria than Peter McGough, Flex Wheeler, Jean Pierre Fux, Paul Dillet, and Dexter Jackson? ::)

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bwahahahahaha, I wonder if you actually believe this shit. The reason I said they tie in both rear poses is b/c Ronnie and Dorian each have something the other doesn't have to offer. Dorian has better definition in his back while Ronnie has better muscular bulk. Dorian looks slightly harder in his upper body while Ronnie looks harder in his lower body. Dorian has more proportionate calves while Ronnie has more proportionate arms. Neither bodybuilder convincingly edges out the other from the back. You're biased if you think one criteria outweighs another.

Well with your limited abilities I now why you said they ' tie ' in the pose it doesn't mean they do  ;) Dorian meets the criteria better than Ronnie plain and simple , period end of sentence , Arnold Schwarzenegger specifically stated it doesn't matter how could the rest of your rear latspread is , if you flex your calf and nothing happens the whole effect is ruined  ;) and he used Yates as the template for a complete rear latspread , Dorian has everything the criteria asks for , density , bulk , definition , balance , Ronnie doesn't its that simple

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it's irrelevant b/c you assume if nobody said that about Ronnie, then it doesn't apply to him. Obviously this is not true. If someone said that Tamali looks bigger in person than he does in pics, does that mean he's the only bodybuilder this applies to and no one else? No.

NO one is arguing Yates looks bigger in person , hell thats a given obvious any pro with any size will obviously much look bigger in person than in print or video its NOT the size its everything else  ;)

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bullshit, I challenge you to post a better most muscular pic of Dorian from 93. That is the best one I could find. I don't see how you can say it's not an accurate depiction of Dorian when it's from his best year. Least of all, I don't understand how you can claim that I fear a most muscular comparison between Ronnie and Dorian. Are you kidding me? The fact that you're bitching over arguably the best shot of Dorian hitting that pose is proof enough that Ronnie owns Dorian in the most muscular.

I don't have to find a better most muscular from 1993 there is a better one from 1995 thats been posted dozens of times and its clearly better than the one you posted , and big deal its his best year and NOT one of the best shots I mean how fucking stupid can you get? I posted the 2001 pictures of Ronnie ( his best ) and they look very unspectacular , he looks soft and smooth but I know damn well he isn't , I picked those pictures to show that picture's aren't always accurate and that Hulkster's analogy that pic's don't lie is nonsense

And you comparison leaves a lot to be desire ( what else is new? ) Ronnie is 10 pounds lighter yet he looks bigger , you may want to take into consideration that when you're super sharp you look super big and aply that to Yates has well  ;) Titus & James make Ronnie look small and neither of them are Yates and a 318 pound Ferrigno couldn't do it but a 247 pound Ronnie would LMFAO

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so now you know more about judging criteria than Peter McGough, Flex Wheeler, Jean Pierre Fux, Paul Dillet, and Dexter Jackson? ::)

Do you know more about the criteria than Dorian Yates , Lee Priest , Ronnie Coleman , Mike Mattarrazo , Bev Francis , Jim Rockell , and Roger Schwab?  ;) I may not know the criteria better than the guys you mentioned but I sure as hell know it a LOT better than you  ;) balance & proportion ring a bell? lol