Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh yes, such a huge difference.

The fact that you can't see a difference shows exactly why your opinion is very limited  kid you need to learn before you type.

[NarcissisticDeity]

The reality of a 260 pound Dorian and a 247 pound Ronnie and his sunken chest

[pobrecito]

Ronnie at the 2001AC was only impressive due to his lackluster competition.

Against a 93 or 95 Yates, he is insignificant.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie at the 2001AC was only impressive due to his lackluster competition.

Against a 93 or 95 Yates, he is insignificant.

I respect McGough's opinion obviously but I disagree with it and why? Dorian was bigger , has better density .and better balance and conditioning may be a tie , and Ronnie sucks as physique presentation , how is he supposed to win? lol

[pobrecito]

In before the "loose skin" argument

LOL....you know you are desparate when you start insinuating that Yates had fat and water in his lower back hahahahahah

[NeoSeminole]

Well with your limited abilities I now why you said they ' tie ' in the pose it doesn't mean they do  Dorian meets the criteria better than Ronnie plain and simple , period end of sentence , Arnold Schwarzenegger specifically stated it doesn't matter how could the rest of your rear latspread is , if you flex your calf and nothing happens the whole effect is ruined and he used Yates as the template for a complete rear latspread , Dorian has everything the criteria asks for , density , bulk , definition , balance , Ronnie doesn't its that simple

Ronnie's calves don't ruin the whole effect of his rear lat spread here.



As for meeting the criteria better, each offers something the other doesn't. Dorian has better balance and density while Ronnie has better definition and muscular bulk.

NO one is arguing Yates looks bigger in person , hell thats a given obvious any pro with any size will obviously much look bigger in person than in print or video its NOT the size its everything else

you missed the crux of my post. No shit that no one is arguing Dorian looks bigger in person. Likewise, no one is arguing that Dorian doesn't look better in person. My point is that you are wrong if you think this only applies to Dorian.

I don't have to find a better most muscular from 1993 there is a better one from 1995 thats been posted dozens of times and its clearly better than the one you posted , and big deal its his best year and NOT one of the best shots I mean how fucking stupid can you get? I posted the 2001 pictures of Ronnie ( his best ) and they look very unspectacular , he looks soft and smooth but I know damn well he isn't , I picked those pictures to show that picture's aren't always accurate and that Hulkster's analogy that pic's don't lie is nonsense

bwahahahahaha, you don't have time to find a better most muscular of Dorian from 93? What a load of bullshit. You have a whole folder of scanned pics from the 93 Mr. Olympia on your computer. If anyone has a better most muscular shot, it's you. I don't see what's so hard about clicking on a folder on your computer and looking for a pic. You're just looking for any excuse to weasel your way out of this situation.

And you comparison leaves a lot to be desire ( what else is new? ) Ronnie is 10 pounds lighter yet he looks bigger , you may want to take into consideration that when you're super sharp you look super big and aply that to Yates has well Titus & James make Ronnie look small and neither of them are Yates and a 318 pound Ferrigno couldn't do it but a 247 pound Ronnie would LMFAO

yawn, you're more than welcome to make a more accurate comparison using the pic I scanned. Until then, I'll assume that your accusations are unfounded and motivated by jealousy. You're wrong about Titus and Dennis James making Ronnie look small. It was quite the opposite.

Do you know more about the criteria than Dorian Yates , Lee Priest , Ronnie Coleman , Mike Mattarrazo , Bev Francis , Jim Rockell , and Roger Schwab? I may not know the criteria better than the guys you mentioned but I sure as hell know it a LOT better than you balance & proportion ring a bell? lol

considering that almost all of them commented on his conditioning (not who would win), I have no problem admitting they know more about the judging criteria than I do.

[NeoSeminole]

The fact that you can't see a difference shows exactly why your opinion is very limited kid you need to learn before you type.

go back to playing in your sandbox, little kid. The only difference between the two pics is that the one you posted is magnified. So you can see the veins in his left delt a little better. Other than that, there's hardly any difference at all. In fact, Dorian's arms seem to have better definition in the pic I used.

[Iceman1981]

In before the "loose skin" argument

LOL....you know you are desparate when you start insinuating that Yates had fat and water in his lower back hahahahahah

It's not an argument. It is a fact.

Well, Roach. Explain the LOOSE SKIN HANGING?

I've asked you nuthuggers too explain it, but all you dumb a$$e$ can say is that yates is "bone dry" or yates doesn't "hold water" or "find me a quote", LOL. Pathetic. Give me a break. He holds water in many places, but you blind morons deny it everytime you see the pics that I show you.

[Hulkster]

I just bought a new computer and now I actually have a good monitor.

It is now even more apparent how much better ronnie is than dorian.

I see more detail now than I did before.

and the difference is even more pronounced how much better ronnie is.

I mean, this is just hilarious!:

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie's calves don't ruin the whole effect of his rear lat spread here.



As for meeting the criteria better, each offers something the other doesn't. Dorian has better balance and density while Ronnie has better definition and muscular bulk.

you missed the crux of my post. No shit that no one is arguing Dorian looks bigger in person. Likewise, no one is arguing that Dorian doesn't look better in person. My point is that you are wrong if you think this only applies to Dorian.

bwahahahahaha, you don't have time to find a better most muscular of Dorian from 93? What a load of bullshit. You have a whole folder of scanned pics from the 93 Mr. Olympia on your computer. If anyone has a better most muscular shot, it's you. I don't see what's so hard about clicking on a folder on your computer and looking for a pic. You're just looking for any excuse to weasel your way out of this situation.

yawn, you're more than welcome to make a more accurate comparison using the pic I scanned. Until then, I'll assume that your accusations are unfounded and motivated by jealousy. You're wrong about Titus and Dennis James making Ronnie look small. It was quite the opposite.





considering that almost all of them commented on his conditioning (not who would win), I have no problem admitting they know more about the judging criteria than I do.

Ronnie's calves don't ruin the whole effect of his rear lat spread here.



As for meeting the criteria better, each offers something the other doesn't. Dorian has better balance and density while Ronnie has better definition and muscular bulk.

Well your of the opinion they don't ruin the effect and your opinion is biased and limited , his calves still suck they still lack proportion , they're still high and they still lack separation of the gastrocnemious inner and outter heads , they still diamond shape , lacking especially compared to Dorian and because it doesn't ruin the effect to YOU doesn't mean it would to a judge 

And again this is why your opinion is biased and limited you see what you want , Dorian has the edge in balance & proportion , density and CONDITIONING ( especially 1999 ) and BULK how you made the leap Ronnie 1999 is carrying more bulk despite being 3 pounds lighter and one inch taller , Dorian has ALL the bases covered , great math Ronnie has more bulk by being lighter lmao

you missed the crux of my post. No shit that no one is arguing Dorian looks bigger in person. Likewise, no one is arguing that Dorian doesn't look better in person. My point is that you are wrong if you think this only applies to Dorian.

No usmoke & Hulkster are exactly arguing that Dorian doesn't look better in person than in print or video , that he doesn't pocess some magical property , and I never said that this ONLY applies to Dorian I said I've seen at least 5 references to this to Dorian specifically and I've never once read this about Ronnie in all the contest reports I've read , so until you find me a quote specifically stating this to Ronnie it applies to Dorian  and in fact I've never read that about anyone else , McGough states specifically that Dorian looks better in person than in video or pictures and Shawn doesn't 

bwahahahahaha, you don't have time to find a better most muscular of Dorian from 93? What a load of bullshit. You have a whole folder of scanned pics from the 93 Mr. Olympia on your computer. If anyone has a better most muscular shot, it's you. I don't see what's so hard about clicking on a folder on your computer and looking for a pic. You're just looking for any excuse to weasel your way out of this situation.

I have four most muscular shots of Dorian from the 1993 contest and none of them are as good as the one from 1995 , which again has been posted many times and obviously you decided to pick the one from 1993 for a reason  so nice try to divert the fact you choose the one you did , in fact all 4 shots of Yates' most muscular from 1993 have been posted and were available to you  you picked that one because it's not the best thats obvious just compared to the one from 1995 , you know the one Hulkster claimed was photoshopped

yawn, you're more than welcome to make a more accurate comparison using the pic I scanned. Until then, I'll assume that your accusations are unfounded and motivated by jealousy. You're wrong about Titus and Dennis James making Ronnie look small. It was quite the opposite.

jealousy? lmfao I thought I read this wrong lol I'm jealous of your comparisons? you post a pic of a 257 pound Dorian and a 247 pound Ronnie and Ronnie is bigger than Yates and I'm jealous  kid its who who is jealous of me  hence why you keep using my lines and I'm not wrong about Titus and James either , you posted one pic of each and the pic Ronnie with Titus , Ronnie is closer to the camera and the one with Dennis is not the best angle its the same with the Cutler 03 pic with Ronnie lol

considering that almost all of them commented on his conditioning (not who would win), I have no problem admitting they know more about the judging criteria than I do.

Alright then we've established that Dorian has the edge specifically over Ronnie in balance & proportion and conditioning , couple that with density what does Ronnie have left? size? lol maybe in 2003 but 2001 NO 1998 NO 1999 NO so what do you have left? fantasy comparisons bases on ' personal preference ' ? 

see pictures of Cormier making Ronnie look small , and Titus and James

[NarcissisticDeity]

I just bought a new computer and now I actually have a good monitor.

It is now even more apparent how much better ronnie is than dorian.

I see more detail now than I did before.

and the difference is even more pronounced how much better ronnie is.

I mean, this is just hilarious!:

LMFAO among your dumbest posts ever lol what a loser.

[NarcissisticDeity]

go back to playing in your sandbox, little kid. The only difference between the two pics is that the one you posted is magnified. So you can see the veins in his left delt a little better. Other than that, there's hardly any difference at all. In fact, Dorian's arms seem to have better definition in the pic I used.

Neo your biased , your ignorant and your stupid thats a bad combo  you have much to learn about competitive bodybuilding , the is an obvious difference stop trying to minimize the difference to appear right , you're dead wrong period , just like you were dead wrong about balance & proportion , just like your dead wrong about Ronnie 99 and 01 being the same size , just like your dead wrong Ronnie 01 is thicker in the back than Dorian 95 , just like your dead wrong about Ronnie 99 having more bulk than Yates despite weight 3 pounds less and being 1 inch taller , your knowledge , especially compared to mine leaves a lot to be desire , go back and read some more instead of trying to figure out what you see in pictures because you have done a very poor job thus far but don't worry all your mistakes I will correct 

[IceCold]

I just bought a new computer and now I actually have a good monitor.

It is now even more apparent how much better ronnie is than dorian.

I see more detail now than I did before.

and the difference is even more pronounced how much better ronnie is.

I mean, this is just hilarious!:

thanks for the update.

your excuses and delusions are about the eclipse the number of pages in this thread.

[IceCold]

this quote in direct contradiction to hulkster's claim about a ronnie from 1998 or 1999.

explain it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

this quote in direct contradiction to hulkster's claim about a ronnie from 1998 or 1999.

explain it.

Great post ! this quote is useless because it contradicts what he always said lol until a pro-quote comes along and then quotes will carry weight again lol

[suckmymuscle]

you assume that a grainy appearance is indicative of good conditioning. To me, it's a sign of bad skin. I've seen tanners with 12% body fat look "hard" and leathery b/c their skin is so unhealthy.

  So now Dorian's grainy condition is the result of aged skin? Make up your mind, NeoSeminole. Is it acne or aged skin? So now the elderly are grainy and people with sunburns are grainy? They don't look the part.

Conversely, both Ronnie and Flex have good skin and they never looked grainy.

  But then, there are several bodybuilders who compete with their bodies covered in acne and pustules, and yet I never saw anyone refer to them as grainy, either. So how do you explain the contradiction?

  The issue here is conditioning, and this quote seems to directly contradict what McGough has said in 2006 about the fact that no man has ever been as hard and dry as Dorian. McGough is contradicting himself.

  Regardless, I used the word in the plural. My point is that Ronnie's 2001 ASC codition was nothing special overral; it was special only compared to what Ronnie had brough to then table before. Read the reviews of the 1993 and 1995 Olympias and you'll see that several bodybuilding writers defined Dorian's condition as the gold-standard. If Coleman had surpassed him in 2001, then they would have bragged about the never seen before condition of Coleman.

between two bodybuilders, each with 4% body fat, I contend the one with acne will look more grainy. Obviously the effect won't be as pronounced if we compared them with higher fat and water levels. The same applies to dryness. If we compare two obese individuals - one with normal water levels and one who is dehydrated - the difference that dryness makes is less noticable than if we compared both at 4% body fat.

  But why is subcutaneous fat and water levels relevant to cause a grainy look if it is exclusively caused by bad skin? You are parroting my argument about the graduation of conditioning seen when you drop fat and water. The problem here is that it doesen't apply in the case of bad skin. Why? Because I have already said that losing both fat and water are necessary for one to look grainy. Small improvements in one, the other or both combined will make the person look grainier. If you argue that acne can only work it's magic and make one look grainy like Dorian Yates if one also drops fat and water, then you are conceding that Dorian's grainy conditioning is only partially the result of bad skin.

oh man, I can't wait to see your Mr. Getbig pics. This will be good.

  Even better will be seeing you getting your ass handed to you in a virtual posedown, just like you got it handed to you intellectually in this discussion.

if competing in multiple bodybuilding contests makes me a competitive bodybuilder, then I suppose I am.

  Contests held in your imagination on Saturday nights while you lay dateless on your bad do not count as legit...

no

  Oh, come on...tell us the truth...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pobrecito]

Oh brother....now NeoSemen has reduced Dorian's sick condition and grainyiness to acne

[IceCold]

Great post ! this quote is useless because it contradicts what he always said lol until a pro-quote comes along and then quotes will carry weight again lol

not if those quotes saying anything positive about yates.

if mcgough does, he's biased against dorian.

if pete says something positive about ronnie, hulkster, bowflex, etc. deem PM as the smartest man who ever lived!

[NarcissisticDeity]

not if those quotes saying anything positive about yates.

if mcgough does, he's biased against dorian.

if pete says something positive about ronnie, hulkster, bowflex, etc. deem PM as the smartest man who ever lived!

Exactly , I remember someone actually said once that McGough was biased because he's English and so is Dorian lol hypocrisy is a common trait among these Coleman fans

[IceCold]

Exactly , I remember someone actually said once that McGough was biased because he's English and so is Dorian lol hypocrisy is a common trait among these Coleman fans

that was bowflex.

[NarcissisticDeity]

that was bowflex.

lol I should have guessed

[Necrosis]

I NEVER said that dorian might not look better in person. in fact i gave example of why pics might not do him justice. you however, are arguing that we have to take into account that dorian doesnt look as good in photos. this indicates that ronnie looks the same, while dorian improves. since your not saying the same for ronnie. otherwise why take dorians improvment into account and not colemans, if both possesed it?



i argued that ronnie, billy bobby and mike will look better in person not JUST dorian. hence, its a moot argument.

i also told you that melvin said it to my face that you have to see him to beleive him etc etc.

stop misrepresenting everyones posts.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I NEVER said that dorian might not look better in person. in fact i gave example of why pics might not do him justice. you however, are arguing that we have to take into account that dorian doesnt look as good in photos. this indicates that ronnie looks the same, while dorian improves. since your not saying the same for ronnie. otherwise why take dorians improvment into account and not colemans, if both possesed it?



i argued that ronnie, billy bobby and mike will look better in person not JUST dorian. hence, its a moot argument.

i also told you that melvin said it to my face that you have to see him to beleive him etc etc.

stop misrepresenting everyones posts.

You said pictures " DO NOT LIE "  this is your quote you also said it's illogical to think that Dorian pocesses some magical property that makes him look better in person lol you can't even keep track of your own bull shit lol

[RocketSwitch625]

One for the Coleman nuthuggers. Enjoy. LOL

[IceCold]

ronnie at his greatest condition from the 2001 AC getting embarrassingly owned by a 94 yates.


ouch.