Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

I've ALWAYS said that Yates wins in terms of density & dryness-one of the all-time best in this regard, and something Coleman never excelled at. On density and calves Yates was excellent!

The only problem is everything else:

-Taper
-Shape
-Size
-Overall cuts
-Vascularity
-Arms
-Lat width
-Thigh size
-Delts
-Waist-Ron never had the waist width & blockiness, even with a gut!!

Great post! 

[NarcissisticDeity]

this is the pose that Dorian will supposedly obliterate Ronnie in. And as we can see, Dorian is hiding his quads to cover up his huge flaw. And Ronnie holds up surprisingly well.

This right here shows you how little you know about bodybuilding judging criteria , he's not hidding his quads , the judges in fact ask for one leg to be placed forward while doing this shot , and you pic a bad comparison pic to put against Yates lol thats Yates 96 and 96 was diuretic tested and he's a lot dryer than Ronnie 99 , not to mention he has a lot better balance & continuity between his muscles , as well as seperation yes you heard me correctly , where is the seperation between Ronnie's ab? intercostles , obliques? look at the seperation in his quads , at the satorious muscle thats missing from Ronnie's quads , even Dorian's upperquad seperation is sharp , now just from a dryness standpoint , talk about night & day lol Dorian is dry hell and Ronnie has blurry ( like your vision ) he's holding water and it shows , and the best part is thats not even Dorian from 1993 lol when he was injury free !! you see that picture is a hell of a lot more clear than the ones from 93 it gives you and idea of just how sharp he looked .

[Hulkster]

as well as seperation yes you heard me correctly , where is the seperation between Ronnie's ab? intercostles , obliques?

its right here, from the same contest:


granted maybe that shot wasn't the greatest, but there are not too many ab and thigh shots of ronnie on the web.


and again, I would like to hear your comments on the comparisons I posted.

you seem to adhere to Analdischarge's judging criteria of poor taper, striations and vascularity when comparing two guys.

"he who looks worst wins!"

 

[pumpster]

Funny, when Ron's a little lighter he's right there on one of Yates' only supposed money shots-
Yates might be slightly more cut in the ab area, but Coleman's waaaay ahead in X-taper. Coleman's X-taper is dramatic in this shot, Yates' is nothing special.

Coleman's lats are noticably wider, waist is smaller; his gut problems are front to back, does not have a side-to-side waist thickness issue like Yates, that detracts markedly from the X-taper.

Result: it's a draw on one of Yates' supposed fortes, ab shots-Yates with an edge in ab cuts but far less of an X-taper due to far less lat width & a wider waist.

[Hulkster]

One thing that I have noticed in this thread is that there are a great number of very good studio shots of Dorian.

There are relatively few of Ronnie - most of the Ronnie shots are taken onstage, next to fellow pros.

Most of the shots with dorian onstage standing beside other pros shows his dominance fading drastically when he compares most musculars to Flea Labrada, for example LOL.

What few studio shots there are of Ronnie, they destroy dorian:




This should say alot folks.

You man looses a whole lot when he is onstage. This fact can't be denied. It is here in the pages of this monster thread.


dorian loses a lot when he is not alone.


on the other hand, ronnie only shows his clear superiority when standing next to fellow pros.

[Hulkster]

Funny, when Ron's a little lighter he's right there on one of Yates' only supposed money shots. Y

Yates might be slightly more cut in the ab area, but has nowhere near the X-taper and greater muscle volume. Coleman's lats are noticably wider, waist is smaller-his gut problems are front to back, does not have Yates' side-to-side waist thickness.

taper, shape and cuts do not mean anything to the dorian fans.

that much is clearly obvious.

[NarcissisticDeity]

its right here, from the same contest:


granted maybe that shot wasn't the greatest, but there are not too many ab and thigh shots of ronnie on the web.


and again, I would like to hear your comments on the comparisons I posted.

you seem to adhere to Analdischarge's judging criteria of poor taper, striations and vascularity when comparing two guys.

"he who looks worst wins!"

 

Still not in Yates' leauge , he's still not as sharp as Dorian in the midsection , and you go on and on about this taper lol does Ronnie's taper help him in the frontlatspread? no , Dorian's is better , does his taper help him in the ab-thigh? No Dorian's is better , the only pose Ronnie's taper would help him is standing relaxed and thats it , and you'll need more than that to defeat 1993 Dorian Yates !! a hell of a lot more lol

[pumpster]

Still not in Yates' leauge , he's still not as sharp as Dorian in the midsection , and you go on and on about this taper lol does Ronnie's taper help him in the frontlatspread?

You're still not getting it-Yates with a slight advantage in cuts, but far less X-taper given markedly less lat width coupled with a wider waist. In fact, Yates *has* no dramatic taper!

Pretty much a draw on one of Yates supposed signature shots:

[NarcissisticDeity]

taper, shape and cuts do not mean anything to the dorian fans.

that much is clearly obvious.

Aagin his taper doesn't help in any of his madatories with the exception of standing relaxed , which by the way he can't even do properly

Shape? This is a push my friend , Ronnie does have some better shaped muscles and so does Dorian , so thats a moot point

And cuts? again moot for every cut you can come up with on Ronnie I can counter with Yates

And what are you retarded ? Yates doesn't look good standing next to competitors onstage lol he dominated the Mr Olympia he lost just twice , obviously the judges didn't see it like you , nor did his fellow competitors .

[pumpster]

Shape? This is a push my friend , Ronnie does have some better shaped muscles and so does Dorian , so thats a moot point

Not in the same sentence. Just as I give Yates full credit for density & dryness, his shape while not quite ugly is anything but streamlined. Shape is one of the biggest factors in why many don't consider him to have anything to do with BB! He often looks more like a powerlifter.

The lack of taper, thick waist and joints and smallish arms are uninspiring!

[NarcissisticDeity]

You're still not getting it-Yates with a slight advantage in cuts, but far less X-taper given markedly less lat width coupled with a wider waist.

Pretty much a draw on one of Yates supposed signature shots:

Pretty much a draw huh? to undereducated person such as yourself it may appear that way , put its not even close  

1) they're not around the same weight
2) Dorian's shot is more complete from head to toe
3) Ronnie's entire midsection is missing , and distended , he lacks razor sharpness , in the serattus , intercostles , obliques and abdominals , ontop of missing balance & proportion

watch & learn !!

[NarcissisticDeity]

Not in the same sentence. Just as I give Yates full credit for density & dryness, his shape while not quite ugly is anything but streamlined. Shape is one of the biggest factors in why many don't consider him to have anything to do with BB! He often looks more like a powerlifter.

The lack of taper, thick waist and joints and smallish arms are uninspiring!

LMFAO this is streamlined & aesthetic? this is bodybuilding if Dorian is not? lol this is superior shape? go away and come back when you've learned a thing or two .

[pumpster]

1) they're not around the same weight
2) Dorian's shot is more complete from head to toe
3) Ronnie's entire midsection is missing , and distended , he lacks razor sharpness , in the serattus , intercostles , obliques and abdominals , ontop of missing balance & proportion

As usual, the nerd sticks to his agenda, doesn't address facts or qualify anything, just like a kid would:

Yates' shot being "more complete" is entirely subjective. Throw that out.

Ron's mid-section is there, and almost as sharp!

NerD COMPLETELY discredits his own "analysis" by failing to acknowledge the HUGE advantage Coleman has in X-taper. X-taper's integral to that shot! I'm glad I can help you learn something, your analysis is entirely biased and one-dimensional.

[Hulkster]

Still not in Yates' leauge , he's still not as sharp as Dorian in the midsection , and you go on and on about this taper lol does Ronnie's taper help him in the frontlatspread? no , Dorian's is better , does his taper help him in the ab-thigh? No Dorian's is better , the only pose Ronnie's taper would help him is standing relaxed and thats it , and you'll need more than that to defeat 1993 Dorian Yates !! a hell of a lot more lol

first of all, ronnie's taper helps him in a whole lot more than just the relaxed pose, you are just too biased to see it:



same holds for the front double bi, rear double bi etc etc.
Secondly,

Dorian's front lat spread is better because he has great lats and not much else.

Seriously.

It makes has lats stand out enormously when you have small arms, a poor chest and shitty quads.





The difference is this:

Dorian's lat spread is far incomplete compared to Ronnie's. When dorian hits the lat spread, all you see are great lats.

When ronnie hits the lat spread, you see great chest arms and quads in addition to great lats.

[NarcissisticDeity]

hands in air if you got a belly and just don't care , holla

[pumpster]

for the 10th time..

Yates & Coleman BOTH had/have front-to-back gut issues that can be seen in side shots...Yates problem is far more pronounced, given that his waist is also thick from the front:

1/ Yates didn't have the overall lat width, size or taper down to a smaller waist to counterbalance the gut in front shots, Coleman did.

2/ Yates also had side-to-side waist thickness, not just the protruding front-back gut they both have. Ron never had a side-to-side waist problem that affected taper to any degree = BIG disadvantage in frontal shots including those abs shots where Yates' taper is minimal and completely uninspiring.


These are HUGE advantages for Coleman, given the front-back gut issues they both had.

[Hulkster]

Aagin his taper doesn't help in any of his madatories with the exception of standing relaxed , which by the way he can't even do properly

flat out wrong:


among many other poses..

I can't believe that after 120 pages you are still not getting it.

[Rimbaud]

I can not fucking believe that this thread has gone over 100 pages...DAMN!

[Hulkster]

LMFAO this is streamlined & aesthetic? this is bodybuilding if Dorian is not? lol this is superior shape? go away and come back when you've learned a thing or two .

ND the fact that you have to show pics of a 300 pound Ronnie with gut sticking out proves that you cannot win your arugments using Ronnie at his peak. A 300 pound Ronnie is not superior shape.


this is.

[ANAL DISCHARGE]

Hulkster, I think you are really starting to show your lack of knowledge on what bodybuilding should be judged on.  Vascularity is not and should not be a factor, if it was then Paul dillet would have the greatest chest of all time.  Veins merely hide lack of separation.  AS ND said, the ab and this should be with one leg forward  - either leg straight or knee bent - so both ways are correct.  Ronnie would have a great taper but his ridiculously short torso obscures this.  How can you say Dorian has no detail when I can hardly see a sign of Ronnie's sartorius - the longest muscle in the body?

Pumpster, your posts aren't even worth a response.  

Ronnie's quads are very similar to those of Anthony Clark by the way.

One man can make a difference.

A recluse since his brother's disappearance.

[NarcissisticDeity]

flat out wrong:


among many other poses..

I can't believe that after 120 pages you are still not getting it.

Who poor shot lol he's not doing it correctly , and he has superheavyweights biceps/triceps and a heavyweights back , this shot shows how narrow Ronnie can be , especially when he leans back like that and where is the calves?  

[NarcissisticDeity]

first of all, ronnie's taper helps him in a whole lot more than just the relaxed pose, you are just too biased to see it:
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same holds for the front double bi, rear double bi etc etc.
Secondly,

Dorian's front lat spread is better because he has great lats and not much else.

Seriously.

It makes has lats stand out enormously when you have small arms, a poor chest and shitty quads.



The difference is this:

Dorian's lat spread is far incomplete compared to Ronnie's. When dorian hits the lat spread, all you see are great lats.

When ronnie hits the lat spread, you see great chest arms and quads in addition to great lats.

Blah , blah , blah , nice comparision , the rear latsreads aren't both straight-on , and Dorian has the better rearlatspread as well , sorry sport , potato sticks for calves a giant ass that sticks out , you'll need more , this is a complete from head to toe rear latspread done correctly   oh and remember the judges specifically ask for one leg back and the calf flexed lol

[pumpster]

Vascularity is not and should not be a factor, if it was then Paul dillet would have the greatest chest of all time.  Veins merely hide lack of separation. 

Vivid proof that you're talking out of your ass using the generalizations of a novice. Vascularity and cuts aren't necessarily mutually exclusive as you're claiming. Absurd lack of understanding that it's a case-by-case thing that even varies amongst different bodyparts of the same BB. Take a look at Dillet's thigh cuts & vascularity, genius..

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND the fact that you have to show pics of a 300 pound Ronnie with gut sticking out proves that you cannot win your arugments using Ronnie at his peak. A 300 pound Ronnie is not superior shape.


this is.

That second pic he is 264lbs and this one he is 247lbs and gut , gut and more gut !!

[ANAL DISCHARGE]

Thanks for vivid proof that you're talking out of your ass without understanding anything: vascularity and cuts aren't necessarily mutually exclusive as you're claiming. Absurd lack of understanding that it's a case-by-case thing.

LOL, you really do need help.  Now inferring things I haven't even said.  You have clearly shown you know nothing about any subject ever discussed on this board.  You clearly need a lobotomy and should start taking steps to put an end to the interbreeding in your family.