Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[bizzy]

ND,

I think Ronnie has held a little water, thick skin, fat (whatever it is
in his back no matter what condition he gets into. It is slight but noticeable.

Dorian didn't have this in his back but had it in other areas.

It sounds like you've seen the 1999 O vid/DVD and disagree.
I am fine with that. My whole point of my thread is that;use your own
eyes and mind to come to your own conclusions. Constantly comparing
who said what doesn't really matter if YOU don't see it that way.

I never claimed to be an expert but someone who judges things
by the way I see them and not by what someone else says.
PEACE!!

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND,

I think Ronnie has held a little water, thick skin, fat (whatever it is
in his back no matter what condition he gets into. It is slight but noticeable.

Dorian didn't have this in his back but had it in other areas.

It sounds like you've seen the 1999 O vid/DVD and disagree.
I am fine with that. My whole point of my thread is that;use your own
eyes and mind to come to your own conclusions. Constantly comparing
who said what doesn't really matter if YOU don't see it that way.

I never claimed to be an expert but someone who judges things
by the way I see them and not by what someone else says.
PEACE!!

I've made up my own mind whoever pictures are videos are limited and will never trump those who were there . I personally think Ronnie looks better fuller but his conditioning did suffer for it .

[Hulkster]

Dorian didn't have this in his back but had it in other areas.

exactly. like arms and quads.

something that ND is in complete delusional denial about..

[NarcissisticDeity]

exactly. like arms and quads.

something that ND is in complete delusional denial about..

LMFAO find me one single quote where it says Dorian's arms and quads were holding water in 1993/1995 and I will delete my fucking account ! period .

There is NOT an ounce of fat or water in his legs or arms

[NarcissisticDeity]

No water or fat ! where is the water & fat? where? there is none.

[Hulkster]

you don't seem to understand that just because you cannot find a quote in a fucking magazine does NOT mean it was not true..

you are so tranfixed on the magazine quotes it is scary..

dorian's arms or quads were nowhere near as dry as ronnie's:

its right here idiot:

get your head out of the mag and use your eyes and brain for a change:

[Hulkster]

ND you picked a really bad shot to show how 'dry' dorian's arm was..

 

no definition.

no delineation between the bi and the tri.

looks soft and puffy as hell, esp. compared to the dryness of Ronnie coleman:

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND you picked a really bad shot to show how 'dry' dorian's arm was..

 

no definition.

no delineation between the bi and the tri.

looks soft and puffy as hell, esp. compared to the dryness of Ronnie coleman:

You're hopeless truly there is NO water or fat obscuring the muscle from being seen period . you can clearly see there is not water or fat if you say there is you're full of shit as usual look at the clear separation of all the muscles , look at the striated triceps I mean look at the level of density and separation in that entire back shot and you can't have world class density while being soft or holding water the hardest thing is to rid yourself of intramuscular fat thats the pinnacle of conditioning its a step beyond , one can be well conditioned and not dense however one can't be dense while holding water or fat because intramuscularly its the last place to go .

[NarcissisticDeity]

you don't seem to understand that just because you cannot find a quote in a fucking magazine does NOT mean it was not true..

you are so tranfixed on the magazine quotes it is scary..

dorian's arms or quads were nowhere near as dry as ronnie's:

its right here idiot:

get your head out of the mag and use your eyes and brain for a change:

LMFAO I love your gross overstatements his arms or quads are NO WHERE near as dry lol what a ignorant fuck you are ! Dorian's entire physique is dry and hard as nails stop typing generalazations where is this water & fat?

I can't find more than one quote saying Ronnie was as conditioned in 99 as he was in 98 I dare you do find me ONE saying Dorian was holding any water or fat you can't do it for a reason . I can find quotes about of soft Ronnie was in 2000/2001/2002/2003 ( compared to 98/01ASC ) see a pattern here?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Look at these arm shots there is no fat or water under the skin or intramuscularly , Hulkster whenever you type this shit I laugh because you're just so ignorant and you speak matter of factly and its hilarious you commit to these insane statements based on what you think conditioning is and isn't lol the back of Dorian's are are well conditioned because he has striations yet the front of them are soft and holding water LMFAO do you see how retarded that sounds ?

[Hulkster]

I can't find more than one quote saying Ronnie was as conditioned in 99 as he was in 98

thats because you do not have the ironman or muscle and fitness with the 99 olympia coverage in them..

I am going to ask around online and see if someone has these mags.

I used to,  but don't anymore.

[Iceman1981]

now, you are just making stuff up.

yates was never asked about his best vs. ronnie's best and say he would loose.

in EVERY other article, he still states he would win at his best - just like every other champion does.

i have the issues and will post the quotes if need be.

you are referring to if dorian came back now, 2004, when he was asked that question.

it was posted from an MD article that you and neo mysteriously deny having the whole article, but somehow manage to ONLY post the quotes that reflect ronnie's and left out labrada, priest, dugdale, etc. who all say yates' best was the best.

stop making sh*t up.

I'm not referring to dorian if he came back in 2004. I don't make quotes up. I post what I read (article) or hear (radio) word for word. Go listen to the interview with yates on PBW if you don't believe me

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/radioarchive.htm

[Iceman1981]

Dorian Yates on his best day versus Ronnie Coleman on his best say who wins?  : Thats hard for me to answer , I'd probably , Ronnie would probably beat me I guess. I don't know. its hard to say you know , its hard to say but Ronnie is now , he's coming in a great shape probably 15 or 20 pounds heavier than I was , so that might tip the balance in Ronnie's favor probably , although a I probably have a little bit better balance and better conditioning on the day of the contest


Ronnie would probably beat me I guess. I DON'T KNOW forgot those words didn't you Iceman? lol I guess . I don't know . sucker

Again, you haven't proven anything. The fact is, yates said:

Dorian Yates – Ronnie would probably beat me

[Iceman1981]

I wonder how many people have seen the 1999 Mr. Olympia
video/DVD? Although the lighting is supreme it can't produce
defintion, seperation and striations that aren't there. I sold videos
as a side income for three years from all the major distributors.
GMV was gracious enough to allow me to be a distributor for them
on ebay. Anyway, Out of all pics and videos I've ever seen,the video
of Ronnie in the 99 O at prejudjuging is the best bodybuilder I've ever
seen in pics, live or on vid/DVD. His shoulder to waist ratio was incredible
and he was peeled/skinless everywhere except a tad of water/fat/thick skin
on his back. His calves are not great but definately are not tiny and don't
look out of place at the weight he was at.
     Here are my thoughts on the Horton pics which is probably the best
thing we have of Dorian to compare. I bought the magazine and was blown away by his
size, thickness, density ect. BUT; one of my first thoughts was that he looked like a
mixture between a powerlifter and a bodybuilder. Very impressive but no work of art.
I think if he had walked onstage in that condition he would have looked hard but
semi-smooth under the harsh stage lighting. I don't want to hear all the expert opinions
and who said what because unless you have seen the videos/DVD's of the 98 O,
99 O and 2001 Arnold you can't say that Ronnie was in worse condition in 99.
Some will say I wasn't there at those shows which is true but once again good
lighting can't produce something that is not there. I have not seen a pic/vid or any evidence
that can prove Ronnie was not as conditioned in 99 than 98 or 2001only eyewitnesses
which can be swayed by crowd reaction, emotion and the level of competition
standing next to them at the time. In 99 Ronnie had a best ever Comier to his left
and a conditioned bigger than ever Flex on his right. Anyway, what I'm trying to say
is if you want to see the best of Ronnie buy the 1999 O DVD; watch the prejudging
part and judge for yourself.

If you have the Mr. O 98/99 or the ASC 01 on DVD. You mind posting some screencaps?

[bizzy]

Not that this has any bearing on what I think but I
googled 1999 Mr. Olympia reviews and this is all I could find.
The Natural Mr. Olympia said of 1999.

Last year, (1999) Ronnie was about ten pounds heavier and he was just as ripped as when he won the contest the first time in 1998.

[Iceman1981]

Ice Cold - Watch the vid/DVD yourself and come to your OWN
conclusions. You can probably find one for $20 somewhere
and still have a great DVD even if you disagree. I am surprised
99's not mentioned but you have to see it for yourself to understand
what we are talking about. There is NO way his hams or glutes
could be more detailed than 99 because they look skinless.

I've checked everywhere for the Mr. 98/99 ASC 01 DVD's. Everywhere wants $40 or more plus shipping on top of that. You know where we can get it for a cheaper price?

[Iceman1981]

I mean the fuck should I begin with this nonsense? lol you don't want to hear the expert opinions yet go right ahead and give your ' expert ' opinion based on less than ideal means. I've seen the videos in question and there is a noticeable difference in his conditioning and thats just based on pictures & videos now seeing I wasn't there I rely on the authority of an eyewitness who was and what do they have to say about the situation ]

Dan Soloman - PBW - A Tribute to Ronnie Coleman - October 8, 2007:

"Peter, you've covered Ronnie Coleman every step of the way, In fact you've covered all of the great champions. What in your mind sets Ronnie apart from those past champions?"


Peter McGough  - PBW - A Tribute to Ronnie Coleman - October 8, 2007:

"For me the best physique I've ever seen was Ronnie at the 2001 ASC. He was about 245 pounds sliced and full. He was seperated from head to toe.


You're doing the samething you say dizzy is doing (as you say). I'll use your own words to shut you up again:

"I mean where the fuck should I begin with this nonsense? lol you don't want to hear the expert opinions yet go right ahead and give your ' expert ' opinion based on less than ideal means. now seeing I wasn't there I rely on the authority of an eyewitness who was and what do they have to say about the situation."

[Iceman1981]

I'm still waiting for all of the quotes stating that yates is the best of All-Time. You haven't produced one quote yet. Let's see how many there are or if there are any.

[bizzy]

Hey Iceman,

I found a great deal on GMV's web site but they only have a few left.
$14.95 for the NTSC tape. (That's for USA.) It's what I've got and it's good quality.

www.gmv.com.au  Put 1999 Olympia in the search and it should pop
up first.

[Iceman1981]

Hey Iceman,

I found a great deal on GMV's web site but they only have a few left.
$14.95 for the NTSC tape. (That's for USA.) It's what I've got and it's good quality.

www.gmv.com.au  Put 1999 Olympia in the search and it should pop
up first.

Thanks. I have the tape of the Mr. O 99, but I'm looking for the DVD copy of the Mr. o 98/99/03, ASC 01.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Again, you haven't proven anything. The fact is, yates said:

Dorian Yates – Ronnie would probably beat me

lol I guess I don't know . kid cling on to that quote for dear life you need it . 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dan Soloman - PBW - A Tribute to Ronnie Coleman - October 8, 2007:

"Peter, you've covered Ronnie Coleman every step of the way, In fact you've covered all of the great champions. What in your mind sets Ronnie apart from those past champions?"


Peter McGough  - PBW - A Tribute to Ronnie Coleman - October 8, 2007:

"For me the best physique I've ever seen was Ronnie at the 2001 ASC. He was about 245 pounds sliced and full. He was seperated from head to toe.


You're doing the samething you say dizzy is doing (as you say). I'll use your own words to shut you up again:

"I mean where the fuck should I begin with this nonsense? lol you don't want to hear the expert opinions yet go right ahead and give your ' expert ' opinion based on less than ideal means. now seeing I wasn't there I rely on the authority of an eyewitness who was and what do they have to say about the situation."

No not quite sport , again you're clinging on for dear life to these subjective quotes that don't prove anything except how desperate you are. I'm not saying Ronnie's best isn't 2001 I think it is but to say Ronnie is unbeatable because McGough says so is fantasy period. it doesn't prove a thing because its so subjective .

I mean you're the one who is in denial McGough says its IMPOSSIBLE to choose the best , yet you don't agree with that quote , he says the best physique he's seen on-stage and the best off stage was Yates at 269 pounds yet you're very selective in what you post it shows you're scared just like the comment Ronnie would probably beat me I GUESS I DON'T KNOW

Just because McGough's opinion is Ronnie 2001 is ubbeatable doesn't mean its true , period.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm still waiting for all of the quotes stating that yates is the best of All-Time. You haven't produced one quote yet. Let's see how many there are or if there are any.

You're waiting on subjective quotes that prove nothing lol and what part of the Mike Mattarazzo quote when he said Dorian may go down as the great bodybuilder of all time did you miss? and this was in 2003 .

Mike's comment carries just as much weight as McGough and doesn't prove a thing.

[Hulkster]

Not that this has any bearing on what I think but I
googled 1999 Mr. Olympia reviews and this is all I could find.
The Natural Mr. Olympia said of 1999.

Last year, (1999) Ronnie was about ten pounds heavier and he was just as ripped as when he won the contest the first time in 1998.

yeah, that page has been on the net for a while.

but you see, it doesn't matter to ND.

ND will selectively pick and choose quotes that coincide with his agenda, even if they are blantantly proven to be WRONG.

 

Mr. Rely On Quotes will only rely on certain ones, and sweep all others under the carpet.

 

[webcake]

Cant we all just agree that Ronnie was/is better and all move on?!