Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

Cant we all just agree that Ronnie was/is better and all move on?!

yes, but a few of the board members (ND, IceCold) are very stupid and won't agree..

there is always a few..

[webcake]

yes, but a few of the board members (ND, IceCold) are very stupid and won't agree..

there is always a few..

Yeah i hear ya man. Tell me, do you ever look back and actually realize that there are over 1400 pages about 1 topic? I mean props to ya for being committed about something you obviously feel strongly about, but you gotta admit, it has gotten pretty out of hand. Still , i wouldn't be surprised if this thing is still goin on years from now.

[IceCold]

yes, but a few of the board members (ND, IceCold) are very stupid and won't agree..

there is always a few..

stupid would be someone who only counts polls online with people like pumpster voting and ignores polls listed in the magazines during ronnie's best years.

stupid would also be someone who claims to be smarter about bbing than Peter McGough and that they can do a better job than all the judges.

that would be you.

stupid is also posting a pic of ronnie where he is a different color in every pic.

[Iceman1981]

lol I guess I don't know . kid cling on to that quote for dear life you need it . 

I've posted many other quotes about Ronnie from bodybuilders, experts, writers, photographers, IFBB Co-Owner etc..., but you won't accept or acknowlege any of them. All you do is dismiss them and give your biased opinion. What's the point to this thread then?

[Iceman1981]

No not quite sport , again you're clinging on for dear life to these subjective quotes that don't prove anything except how desperate you are. I'm not saying Ronnie's best isn't 2001 I think it is but to say Ronnie is unbeatable because McGough says so is fantasy period. it doesn't prove a thing because its so subjective .

I mean you're the one who is in denial McGough says its IMPOSSIBLE to choose the best , yet you don't agree with that quote , he says the best physique he's seen on-stage and the best off stage was Yates at 269 pounds yet you're very selective in what you post it shows you're scared just like the comment Ronnie would probably beat me I GUESS I DON'T KNOW

Just because McGough's opinion is Ronnie 2001 is ubbeatable doesn't mean its true , period.

Peter has stated that best physique he ever saw onstage was Ronnie ASC 01. He then stated again a few days ago that the best physique he ever saw was Ronnie ASC 01(no mention of yates). I'm just going with what he said 2 years ago and a few days ago to make a point.

He said the best physique he saw offstage was yates 93 (contests are judged on stage and that is in line with what this thread is about, "onstage", not offstage). I accepted that quote since day one and I have posted it many times. Take the time read dumba$$.

He then stated that it's impossible to choose, but then say a few days ago the best physique he ever saw was Ronnie ASC 01? I'll go with what he said "twice". (Ronnie ASC 01)

I haven't disagreed with any quotes. Show me where I disagreed? You can't.

Here is an example of your stupidity:

 You always use the quote that Peter uses for yates as being the driest/conditioned bodybuilder ever. Yet others disagree with it. So you want me to say to you: Just because McGough's opinion on yates as being the driest/conditioned bodybuilder ever doesn't mean its true , period. (as you just said about Ronnie ASC 01 being the best ever).

See how stupid you are. You hound people with quotes , but when you get beat at your own game, you cry like a little bytch. You can't have it both ways. Grow up dude, you can't win all the time.

[Iceman1981]

You're waiting on subjective quotes that prove nothing lol and what part of the Mike Mattarazzo quote when he said Dorian may go down as the great bodybuilder of all time did you miss? and this was in 2003 .

Mike's comment carries just as much weight as McGough and doesn't prove a thing.

No, they are not subjective at all. If yates is the best of all-time, there would be many quotes stating it. I've posted many about Ronnie from many sources, but you won't accept any. You want us all to accept any quote you find. Stop running away and post these quotes about yates if you can find any.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I've posted many other quotes about Ronnie from bodybuilders, experts, writers, photographers, IFBB Co-Owner etc..., but you won't accept or acknowlege any of them. All you do is dismiss them and give your biased opinion. What's the point to this thread then?

You're wrong dead wrong and why? I've acknowlegded every single one and addressed them ALL ! you're full of shit kid.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Peter has stated that best physique he ever saw onstage was Ronnie ASC 01. He then stated again a few days ago that the best physique he ever saw was Ronnie ASC 01(no mention of yates). I'm just going with what he said 2 years ago and a few days ago to make a point.

He said the best physique he saw offstage was yates 93 (contests are judged on stage and that is in line with what this thread is about, "onstage", not offstage). I accepted that quote since day one and I have posted it many times. Take the time read dumba$$.

He then stated that it's impossible to choose, but then say a few days ago the best physique he ever saw was Ronnie ASC 01? I'll go with what he said "twice". (Ronnie ASC 01)

I haven't disagreed with any quotes. Show me where I disagreed? You can't.

Here is an example of your stupidity:

 You always use the quote that Peter uses for yates as being the driest/conditioned bodybuilder ever. Yet others disagree with it. So you want me to say to you: Just because McGough's opinion on yates as being the driest/conditioned bodybuilder ever doesn't mean its true , period. (as you just said about Ronnie ASC 01 being the best ever).

See how stupid you are. You hound people with quotes , but when you get beat at your own game, you cry like a little bytch. You can't have it both ways. Grow up dude, you can't win all the time.

Peter has stated that best physique he ever saw onstage was Ronnie ASC 01. He then stated again a few days ago that the best physique he ever saw was Ronnie ASC 01(no mention of yates). I'm just going with what he said 2 years ago and a few days ago to make a point.

He said the best physique he saw offstage was yates 93 (contests are judged on stage and that is in line with what this thread is about, "onstage", not offstage). I accepted that quote since day one and I have posted it many times. Take the time read dumba$$.

No kidding he stated the best he ever seen was Ronnie at the 2001 ASC moron I posted the original quote , I don't fear an objective opinion ! and don't preach to me what this thread is about its MY thread kid and you're Johnny come lately to it , this thread FYI was about leaving well enough alone and respecting other members he refused and paid the price for it 1400+ pages of him being owned and corrected and the original argument was who would win at their best and Yates at 269 pounds is considered his best so I can use any version I so desire but for the sake of argument I stuck to contest showings only

He then stated that it's impossible to choose, but then say a few days ago the best physique he ever saw was Ronnie ASC 01? I'll go with what he said "twice". (Ronnie ASC 01)

I haven't disagreed with any quotes. Show me where I disagreed? You can't.

No kidding he said a few days ago its Ronnie's fair well party he's being nice and stating what he believes it don't mean its right , and again you'll post this comment as some sort of proof that it true when its not ! stop clinging to this like its verification of any sorts

Here is an example of your stupidity:

 You always use the quote that Peter uses for yates as being the driest/conditioned bodybuilder ever. Yet others disagree with it. So you want me to say to you: Just because McGough's opinion on yates as being the driest/conditioned bodybuilder ever doesn't mean its true , period. (as you just said about Ronnie ASC 01 being the best ever).

See how stupid you are. You hound people with quotes , but when you get beat at your own game, you cry like a little bytch. You can't have it both ways. Grow up dude, you can't win all the time.

One I haven't been beaten at my own game because I originally posted the quote pro Ronnie 2001 I didn't fear it then and I don't fear it now and why? because its subjective some people say Ronnie 2003 is the best ever , 1998 was his best ever , McGough says 2001 see a pattern here? its a subjective topic just like its subjective that he's better than Yates

I don't rely on subjective quotes , you don't see me posting the Ernie Taylor quote saying that Dorian would beat Ronnie 1998 as proof , of the Lee Priest quote as proof , I post quotes that prove my point of view on NON SUBJECTIVE topics like balance & proportion and density & conditioning , either a guys calves are not in proportion with his quads or they are , there is no real middle ground , either a guys was sharper condition wise ( 1998 ) and not as sharp conditioning wise ( 1999 ) from year to year no middle ground here seriously , either he's holding water or he's not , either he's softer or hard no in between .

and the quote verify what I've always maintained Dorian would beat Ronnie because he has better balance & proportion ( all years ) better density & conditioning ( 1999/2003 although McGough states no ones ever been as hard as Dorian I think Ronnie matched him in 98/99 ) better posing & presentation and depending on the year carries more muscular bulk ( 1998/1999 although close 2001 ASC ) Dorian is more complete and meets the criteria better I think with the aid of non-subjective quotes I've established my case .

[Tombo]

wow each time i notice this thread theres been 1000 pages further of the same recycled bullshit you worshippers post.. find a new reason to live

[NarcissisticDeity]

No, they are not subjective at all. If yates is the best of all-time, there would be many quotes stating it. I've posted many about Ronnie from many sources, but you won't accept any. You want us all to accept any quote you find. Stop running away and post these quotes about yates if you can find any.

Man you're fucking stupid lol first of all they are subjective I can have quotes saying Arnold Schwarzenegger is the greatest bodybuilder of all time , does that make it true? even to this day people say Arnold is the best its subjective and you're like Hulkster relying on numbers wow you found a bunch of people who said Ronnie is the best BIG DEAL see the argument ad populum just because a large number of people hold an opinion doesn't make it true it makes it popular and nothing more and I don't care what quote you accept or reject it doesn't change the it especially if its non-subjective and I did post a quote from Mike Mattarazzo from 2003 specifically stating Dorian may go down in history as the greatest bodybuilder ever , does it make it right? NO

and it depends on the context in which people think Ronnie is the greatest ever , because he tied Lee Haney for 8 straight ? because he has the most pro wins? I mean you'll get NO argument from me on that ! that doesn't change the fact that you pick a year and Dorian Yates has a very good chance at beating Ronnie Coleman regardless of how great it is or how many wins he has , Dorian Yates is a winning machine the guy is a juggernaut anyone who thinks Ronnie would trounce on Yates is diluted and ignorant of how competitive bodybuilding is judged .

[IceCold]

I've posted many other quotes about Ronnie from bodybuilders, experts, writers, photographers, IFBB Co-Owner etc..., but you won't accept or acknowlege any of them. All you do is dismiss them and give your biased opinion. What's the point to this thread then?

i was the first person on this entire thread to start posting quotes of others.

you, and more specifically dumpster and humpster completely deny or ignore them - even from ronnie himself.

you have posted endlessly the quote about dorian on the pbw, but what about the quotes from ronnie about dorian that were in print???


or even when humpster tells us what ronnie, shawn, etc. are really thinking and what they really mean?

how pathetic.

stop bitching about ND or whomever ignoring the quotes, you've done it since day 1.

[Hulkster]

either a guys was sharper condition wise ( 1998 ) and not as sharp conditioning wise ( 1999 ) from year to year no middle ground here seriously

but there is BOTH eye witness testimony (eg from the natural olympia site, and magazine quotes from Ronnie himself and Lonnie Teper that I am going to get someone to scan..) AND visual proof showing Ronnie was just as ripped in 99 as he was in 98..only bigger.

what do you stay to this?

you will probably deny it because it does not fit your agenda..

The answer came in Las Vegas, at the ornate Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino on the Las Vegas strip on October 23, 1999. The venue itself was completely sold out! There, 17 warriors took the stage, with Coleman and Flex Wheeler locked in a close battle. Wheeler had done his homework, but the reigning Mr. Olympia would leave no doubters this night. Chris Cormier placed 3rd, with his best physique ever at this show, and when Ronnie was called the winner, Flex turned his back on the judges, and lifted his finger saying he was #1. But Ronnie proved to the world that he is the Mr. Olympia king! Ronnie Coleman was even bigger than he had been the previous year, and his sparkling condition held throughout. He won his second consecutive title.

this is from this very site..

[NarcissisticDeity]

but there is BOTH eye witness testimony (eg from the natural olympia site, and magazine quotes from Ronnie himself and Lonnie Teper that I am going to get someone to scan..) AND visual proof showing Ronnie was just as ripped in 99 as he was in 98..only bigger.

what do you stay to this?

you will probably deny it because it does not fit your agenda..

this is from this very site..

No , no you're in denile Ronnie Coleman himself said his best Olympia was 1998 specifically because his conditioning was spot on which echos McGough's comment

Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001

RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .


And its rings true because at the 2001 ASC he dropped weight and guess what his conditioning was amazing , hey come Olympia time his weight goes up where does his conditioning go? to shit see a pattern here

the quotes support my argument you're the one scrabbling to do damage control.

see visual proof

[Hulkster]

funny, you show two comparison pics, and other than lighting, there is no difference.

here are a few more for you:

 

98 vs 99

 

and what makes Peter's eyewitness testimony 'correct' over John Hansen's eyewitness account that he was just as ripped?

answer: your own bias.

 

[Hulkster]

notice how deep the quad cuts were in 99 to the shallow quad cuts in 98.

this was specifically mentioned by Lonnie Teper.

although ND will not ackowledge it..

[RocketSwitch625]

At least Dorian Yates never lost his condition. His waist got slightly bigger over the years but he never lost that same rock hard condtion of 92/93. Coleman doesn't look great over 250lbs. That is shameful considering he is all drugs. LOL

[Quattro]

notice how deep the quad cuts were in 99 to the shallow quad cuts in 98.

this was specifically mentioned by Lonnie Teper.

although ND will not ackowledge it..

Just beyond me how ND and bum chum's cant see ronnie is the all time greatest

got-damn

[IceCold]

notice how deep the quad cuts were in 99 to the shallow quad cuts in 98.

this was specifically mentioned by Lonnie Teper.

although ND will not ackowledge it..

i thought quotes dont matter - only visual evidence??


the hypocrisy continues

[Quattro]

At least Dorian Yates never lost his condition. His waist got slightly bigger over the years but he never lost that same rock hard condtion. Coleman doesn't look great over 250lbs. That is shameful considering he is all drugs. LOL

lol you fat c u n t

have you seen the dy pics from 95-96?

then again, you think your in shape and 'look like a bodybuilder'

[Hulkster]

i thought quotes dont matter - only visual evidence??


the hypocrisy continues

you are so stupid that you miss the entire point...

quotes don't matter- visuals do.

and the visuals show ronnie killing dorian, and looking just as dry in 99 as he did in 98..

ND clings to the same quotes over and over again, because that is ALL he HAS LEFT to argue with..

 

[Quattro]

Congrats to Neo!!


Come back even better next year!!

[RocketSwitch625]

lol you fat c u n t

have you seen the dy pics from 95-96?

then again, you think your in shape and 'look like a bodybuilder'

You're just an angry black guy. Angry 'cause I've never taken drugs and I'm bigger than you'll ever be.

P.S. I hope I get banned from this forum because I don't give a shit about it anymore. It has dragged the sport of bodybuilding into the gutter where it belongs.

[NarcissisticDeity]

funny, you show two comparison pics, and other than lighting, there is no difference.

here are a few more for you:

 

98 vs 99

 

and what makes Peter's eyewitness testimony 'correct' over John Hansen's eyewitness account that he was just as ripped?

answer: your own bias.

 

lmfao you bitch about quality and post the lowest quality screen capture from 1998 compared to those 99 ones ! Okay we'll discount Peter's Account & Johns and well just go with Ronnie account lol

Visual PROOF his quads are just as separated in 98 and in 99

[Hulkster]

lol you fat c u n t

have you seen the dy pics from 95-96?

then again, you think your in shape and 'look like a bodybuilder'

they have seen them but they are clearly to stupid and ignorant about bodybuilding to know any better..

 

[IceCold]

you are so stupid that you miss the entire point...

quotes don't matter- visuals do.

and the visuals show ronnie killing dorian, and looking just as dry in 99 as he did in 98..

ND clings to the same quotes over and over again, because that is ALL he HAS LEFT to argue with..

 

so, lets provide more hypocrisy examples.

you keep posting how peter said that ronnie in 01 was the best ever, but totally dispute PM's assertion that 98 ronnie was in better condition than the 99 version.