Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Camel Jockey]

and you were just bitching about ' class ' ?  that makes you a hypocrite

hhahahaha you just posted awesome pictures of Nasser that back up my point about his greatness.

[bizzy]

what i've been saying for over a year.

hulkster, explain the differences betwee the two pics, and why you know which one is not fake, but yet sill post the adjusted pic.

That was from my 1st VCR to DVD transfer. I adjusted the lighting and contrast
because the settings were a little jacked up the 1st go around. I posted 3 pics as a joke.
If you go back and read, when Hulkster finally realized what I had done he quit using them.
If you look at them close you will realize they aren't the same pic although probably within
a second of each other.
1. Flex's face is closer to CC's
2. You can tell by the guy on the left the camera has panned left further on the 2nd pic.
3. You can tell by the guy on the left in relation to the coloum? in the background.
That 2nd pic came from my VCR tape to my DVD recorder to my computer.
They are both originals but the 2nd one had lighting and contrast adjustments.
No one has used those pics in probably @ least two weeks and they'll never be used again.
MY bad...I was making a joke at the time and used what I had available.

[RocketSwitch625]

Hey jackass since you like making it personal, i wish you were under the ground instead of your sister.

Is that because you know you are losing the argument? How low can you get?

[NarcissisticDeity]

That was from my 1st VCR to DVD transfer. I adjusted the lighting and contrast
because the settings were a little jacked up the 1st go around. I posted 3 pics as a joke.
If you go back and read, when Hulkster finally realized what I had done he quit using them.
If you look at them close you will realize they aren't the same pic although probably within
a second of each other.
1. Flex's face is closer to CC's
2. You can tell by the guy on the left the camera has panned left further on the 2nd pic.
3. You can tell by the guy on the left in relation to the coloum? in the background.
That 2nd pic came from my VCR tape to my DVD recorder to my computer.
They are both originals but the 2nd one had lighting and contrast adjustments.
No one has used those pics in probably @ least two weeks and they'll never be used again.
MY bad...I was making a joke at the time and used what I had available.

No it wasn't posted as a ' joke ' thats nonsense and and Hulkster ONLY stopped using them after I exposed him for doing so , in your defense you at least admitted to adjusting them .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Is that because you know you are losing the argument? How low can you get?

I love it lol you know he's getting desperate when he was reduced to this nonsense lol I mean seriously lol

[IceCold]

Hey jackass since you like making it personal, i wish you were under the ground instead of your sister.

hahaha.

pathetic loser bowflex has another meltdown.

he'll disappear for a few weeks and then come back thinking no one knows he's full of shit with everything.

slap on another power rod for us, buddy.


lol.

[bizzy]

No it wasn't posted as a ' joke ' thats nonsense and and Hulkster ONLY stopped using them after I exposed him for doing so , in your defense you at least admitted to adjusting them .

I wasn't posting adjusted pictures as a joke.
I had three pics of Ronnie looking at different bodyparts
and commenting to himself about how ripped, shredded, ect.
each bodypart was. That was the joke part, not the actual posting
adjusted pictures as a joke.

[bizzy]

No it wasn't posted as a ' joke ' thats nonsense and and Hulkster ONLY stopped using them after I exposed him for doing so , in your defense you at least admitted to adjusting them .

And I honestly don't think Hulkster knew they were adjusted until
you brought it to his attention that I had already admitted to it.

[suckmymuscle]

you're just being an annoying dumbass, seriously. Where did I say a medical doctor is an expert on competitive bodybuilding? Are you purposely making shit up to make you look right?

  You did say that medical doctors can perceive signs of dryness better than a bodybuilding journalist. That would mean that M.Ds are more of experts at one aspect of bodybuilding(conditioning) than a bodybuilding journalist like McGough. Funny that the I.F.B.B doesen't have M.Ds judging the conditioning of the bodybuilders. Sorry, sport, but you attempt to claim that you can better identify who has the better conditioning between Dorian and Ronnie 2001 ASC becaused you have training in physiology has failed.

it's not inaccurate to use visual evidence to determine who's carrying less body fat and water. If that were so, then what's the point of including pics in contest reports? Why don't magazines just print a written account of what each competitor looked like? Your argument makes no sense.

  I agree with you. And most people who look at pictures of both Dorian and Ronnie deem the foremer as more conditioned, and the people who saw most pro bodybuilders live, like McGough, deem Dorian the most conditione dever.

ahhh, so you'll believe Peter McGough's opinion that Dorian was harder but you won't accept his belief that Ronnie at his prime is unbeatable? Hypocrite.

  McGough said that Dorian in the Kevin Horton pics was a "contender for best ever", so it's not set in stone that McGough considered Ronnie 2001 ASC as the best ever. And I have always sustained that what McGough says is an educated opinion, nothing more. Bodybuilding is only partly ann objective sport, so it means nothing to say that a given bodybuilder is unbeatable because different judges would value different things - separations over hardness, hardness over separations, lots of vascularity over little vascularity, little vascularity over lots of vascularity, etc.

I have a quote saying Ronnie looks better in person and another hailing his conditioning at the 01 ASC as the best ever.

Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004

“For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”Jim Stoppani – Flex Magazine, July 2005

 
I think this quote refers to muscular development and not conditioning. The quote about Dorian looking more impressive in person refers to conditioning.

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

  According to McGough, Dorian in the Kevin Horton pic contends with Ronnie 2001 ASC for best physique ever.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

You absolutely said Dorian's grainy conditioning was most likely due to poor skin and posted some chick on the beach

wrong, I said Dorian's grainy appearance was most likely due to his poor skin. I spoke nothing about his conditioning. Regarding the pic of the woman on a beach, that was in reference to Dorian's skin looking leathery - probably the result of over-tanning. Nice try, kiddo.

and you're playing with words another of your lame tactics you most certainly said you know more about bodybuilding because of your exercise degree and because you volunteered at hospitals and you were a " Certified Personal Trainer " lol

oh really? Show me where I said I know more about bodybuilding b/c of my credentials. This should be easy for you since you're pretty confident I said that. I believe you'll find that I said I know more about the human body.

and again moron you're trying to tell me a medical doctor could tell me which bodybuilder is better conditioned via pictures over a bodybuilding expert who was live and in person , so in fact you most certainly are saying a medical doctor knows more than a bodybuilding expert despite never even attending a professional contest , you're full of shit kid

ha ha ha, more lies. I never said a medical doctor knows more about bodybuilding than someone whose job is attending shows and writing reviews. I said a medical doctor should know more about the manifestations of low body fat and water levels than someone with an English major (if that).

[NarcissisticDeity]

wrong, I said Dorian's grainy appearance was most likely due to his poor skin. I spoke nothing about his conditioning. Regarding the pic of the woman on a beach, that was in reference to Dorian's skin looking leathery - probably the result of over-tanning. Nice try, kiddo.

oh really? Show me where I said I know more about bodybuilding b/c of my credentials. This should be easy for you since you're pretty confident I said that. I believe you'll find that I said I know more about the human body.

ha ha ha, more lies. I never said a medical doctor knows more about bodybuilding than someone whose job is attending shows and writing reviews. I said a medical doctor should know more about the manifestations of low body fat and water levels than someone with an English major (if that).

wrong, I said Dorian's grainy appearance was most likely due to his poor skin. I spoke nothing about his conditioning. Regarding the pic of the woman on a beach, that was in reference to Dorian's skin looking leathery - probably the result of over-tanning. Nice try, kiddo.

Yes his conditioning , his ' grainy ' conditioning stop playing with words this is your claim NOT mine

oh really? Show me where I said I know more about bodybuilding b/c of my credentials. This should be easy for you since you're pretty confident I said that. I believe you'll find that I said I know more about the human body.

I know. I know. You think you know more than me b/c you read what some journalist wrote (what was his major again?) even though I have a 4 yr degree in Exercise Physiology, have spent over 150 hrs volunteering in hospitals and clinics, and I'm a certified personal trainer. I guarantee I know more about the human body than you ever will.

Here is your original claim and it was brought about by you posting a pic of Dorian & Pop N Fresh and me responding to your claim of Yates being soft & doughy was ignorant and flat out wrong ! now not only are you saying you know more than ME about bodybuilding in particular the topic of conditioning but you're also claiming to know more than Peter McGough who's claim flat out proves your assessment of him being ' soft & doughy ' being wrong and based on inaccurate means ( pics )

Here is a refresher for you

your claim can you guess which one is the real Dorian?
and you preceded to post a picture of Dorian and Pop N Fresh

and here is my response

Peter McGough

He was 269 pounds of rock-hard shapely (yes, shapely) head-to-toe muscle.

Wow Neo looks like your assessment that he was ' soft and doughy ' is wrong and ignorant  Wink

Dorian's density at this weight is astounding to claim he's soft in anyway shape or form is just screaming how ignorant and biased you are

Rock Hard : Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.

That my friend means Dorian at 269 pounds is the epitome of conditioned mass , and please read the parts where density & mass ( 269 pounds ) is highly prized among ALL competitive bodybuilders , you can not counter this , Dorian has better balance & proportion than Ronnie , better conditioning and density and he's more complete and is a better technical poser , there is NO WAY Ronnie can beat this

And your response


I really don't give a shit that you think my assessment is wrong. Unlike you, I have 2 eyes and a brain that works. I can see for myself that Dorian's conditioning was over-hyped. There's no medical explanation for why a man who supposedly achieved the best conditioning of all-time had such piss poor definition in his delts, arms, pecs, glutes, quads, and hamstrings - none.

I know. I know. You think you know more than me b/c you read what some journalist wrote (what was his major again?) even though I have a 4 yr degree in Exercise Physiology, have spent over 150 hrs volunteering in hospitals and clinics, and I'm a certified personal trainer. I guarantee I know more about the human body than you ever will.

Claiming not only I am wrong but Peter McGough as well and all because of your ' credentials ' so nice try playing with words claiming

believe you'll find that I said I know more about the human body.

because the topic at hand was Dorian's conditioning and then you proceeded to have your resume-meltdown

ha ha ha, more lies. I never said a medical doctor knows more about bodybuilding than someone whose job is attending shows and writing reviews. I said a medical doctor should know more about the manifestations of low body fat and water levels than someone with an English major (if that).

No you most certainly did say a medical doctor knows more about bodybuilding specific to conditioning than a man with 40 years of expertise in the field of competitive bodybuilding would based on NO firsthand accounts just 2 simple pictures you're full of shit as usual .

[NarcissisticDeity]

hahaha.

pathetic loser bowflex has another meltdown.

he'll disappear for a few weeks and then come back thinking no one knows he's full of shit with everything.

slap on another power rod for us, buddy.


lol.

Great post ! and so true .

[NarcissisticDeity]

And I honestly don't think Hulkster knew they were adjusted until
you brought it to his attention that I had already admitted to it.

He knew they were different and what he thought was better so hence why he used them and kept using them even after you admitted to adjusting them and didn't stop until I badgered him in this and other threads .

[Matt C]

Dorian DOES have superior qualities over Ronnie as I have pointed out myself many times.  Clearly ND has a preference for more conditioned bodybuilders and certain poses in particular he places a lot of weight on such as the aesthetics of the front double biceps pose.  Calves are obviously very important to ND.

Myself on the other hand, feel that a small waist and an uninjured crisp looking physique is superior.

However, I do NOT generalize and say "Ronnie had better calves than Dorian" and make other comments like this.  It's one thing for ND to acknowledge Dorian's strengths over Ronnie's and say he prefers Dorian's physique on the basis of those strengths, but it is another thing entirely to claim that Dorian is better than Ronnie in ways where he simply is not - overall arms or balance of the physique for example.

That said, I have no problem accepting that ND prefers Dorian's for a lot of the reasons he mentions, but I think he is actually lying to himself in some ways to justify his opinion.

[NeoSeminole]

Yes his conditioning , his ' grainy ' conditioning stop playing with words this is your claim NOT mine

wtf are you talking about? I said Dorian's grainy appearance was most likely due to his poor skin. Nowhere did I say his skin was responsible for his conditioning. So how can that be my claim when I never said such a thing? This argument is becoming ridiculous now. You're purposely making up shit and blaming me for your reading comprehension problems.

Here is your original claim

pay very close attention to the last sentence you quoted from me.

"I guarantee I know more about the human body than you ever will."

your claim that I said I know more about bodybuilding b/c I'm a personal trainer is flat out wrong. I find it laughable and pathetic that you'll argue the quote I posted from Team Flex regarding Ronnie looking more impressive in person is limited to his mass since the last part talks about his size, yet you can't apply the same thinking to a comment I made. Wasn't it you who said one must take the context of a quote into consideration?

now not only are you saying you know more than ME about bodybuilding in particular the topic of conditioning but you're also claiming to know more than Peter McGough who's claim flat out proves your assessment of him being ' soft & doughy ' being wrong and based on inaccurate means ( pics)

I do know more than you about conditioning. From an anatomical standpoint, there's no reason why the best conditioned bodybuilder of all-time has such poor definition in his arms, pecs, delts, glutes, quads and hamstrings unless his conditioning was over-hyped to begin with. The space between his epidermis and muscle tissue would be so small that it couldn't mask his separations and striations.

[aussiepro]

NEWSFLASH   YATES IS DECLAIRED THE WINNER OF THE TRUCE THREAD... RONNIE ANOUNCED IN A CLOSE SECOND

[Matt C]

NEWSFLASH   YATES IS DECLAIRED THE WINNER OF THE TRUCE THREAD... RONNIE ANOUNCED IN A CLOSE SECOND

Names reversed, and yes, you are definitely correct!!!

[Hulkster]

It's one thing for ND to acknowledge Dorian's strengths over Ronnie's and say he prefers Dorian's physique on the basis of those strengths, but it is another thing entirely to claim that Dorian is better than Ronnie in ways where he simply is not - overall arms or balance of the physique for example.

or conditioning.

eg. we have made it quite clear that 99 ronnie or 2001 AC ronnie was just as conditioned if not moreso than dorian was even in 93 or 95.

screencaps and pics confirm this easily:

That said, I have no problem accepting that ND prefers Dorian's for a lot of the reasons he mentions, but I think he is actually lying to himself in some ways to justify his opinion.

yup. the list for this one is endless.

eg. dorian has better balance (yeah sure, not with those twig arms on that frame)

that dorian has better conditioning (not with 99 or 2001 AC ronnie he doesn't - whole fucking thread confirms that one)

eg. dorian had better overall arms (so stupid )

etc.

 

[nukkaready]

Dorian looking mighty good at his so called "worst ever"

[Matt C]

or conditioning.

eg. we have made it quite clear that 99 ronnie or 2001 AC ronnie was just as conditioned if not moreso than dorian was even in 93 or 95.

But Dorian's BACK was more conditioned than Ronnie's, so therefore Dorian had better condition overall. 

[England_1]

man, this is just a fucking mountain of rock hard muscle. Unbelievable! Coleman doesn't compare. Look at the short torso on Coleman. Yates exposes flaws on everyone.

[NeoSeminole]

man, this is just a fucking mountain of rock hard muscle. Unbelievable! Coleman doesn't compare. Look at the short torso on Coleman. Yates exposes flaws on everyone.

damn, Ronnie is just killing Dorian there.

[RocketSwitch625]

Yates looks unbeatable here:



The nut-huggers just got owned again.

[Matt C]

damn, Ronnie is just killing Dorian there.

hahaha.    England_1 = owned.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian DOES have superior qualities over Ronnie as I have pointed out myself many times.  Clearly ND has a preference for more conditioned bodybuilders and certain poses in particular he places a lot of weight on such as the aesthetics of the front double biceps pose.  Calves are obviously very important to ND.

Myself on the other hand, feel that a small waist and an uninjured crisp looking physique is superior.

However, I do NOT generalize and say "Ronnie had better calves than Dorian" and make other comments like this.  It's one thing for ND to acknowledge Dorian's strengths over Ronnie's and say he prefers Dorian's physique on the basis of those strengths, but it is another thing entirely to claim that Dorian is better than Ronnie in ways where he simply is not - overall arms or balance of the physique for example.

That said, I have no problem accepting that ND prefers Dorian's for a lot of the reasons he mentions, but I think he is actually lying to himself in some ways to justify his opinion.

Dorian DOES have superior qualities over Ronnie as I have pointed out myself many times.  Clearly ND has a preference for more conditioned bodybuilders and certain poses in particular he places a lot of weight on such as the aesthetics of the front double biceps pose.  Calves are obviously very important to ND.
Myself on the other hand, feel that a small waist and an uninjured crisp looking physique is superior.

NO its not that I have a preference for more conditioned bodybuilders THE JUDGES DO and again no calves are not important to me , they are important to having a complete physique and to the judges as well , please refer to the IFBB judging criteria where in every single mandatory pose they asked for the calves to shown and you're just like most Coleman fans you base your opinion on what YOU prefer I base my opinion on this debate as to what the criteria prefers thats the difference

However, I do NOT generalize and say "Ronnie had better calves than Dorian" and make other comments like this.  It's one thing for ND to acknowledge Dorian's strengths over Ronnie's and say he prefers Dorian's physique on the basis of those strengths, but it is another thing entirely to claim that Dorian is better than Ronnie in ways where he simply is not - overall arms or balance of the physique for example.

the overall arms comment was said tongue in cheek and the point still holds true about Dorian having better shape and separation of the triceps over Ronnie and much better shape , size and proportion in his forearms over Ronnie and better overall balance & proportion between the muscles of his arms including the forearms/biceps/triceps

And Dorian ( at his best pay attention to this word ) has better balance between the muscle groups in his physique , absolutely and if you think you can prove me wrong take a shot at it , instead of typing a statement which is a generalization and which you offered NO explanation to what so ever , I've explained more times than I should have exactly how and where Dorian has better balance in his physique and you've yet to even commit to anything other than a blanket statement

That said, I have no problem accepting that ND prefers Dorian's for a lot of the reasons he mentions, but I think he is actually lying to himself in some ways to justify his opinion.

Funny 9 times out of 10 I can back up my opinion after the fact with a quote from a writer and or a professional that supports my argument I don't need to lie to myself I have justified my opinion by proxy