Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

anatomy and physiology are 2 different things.

we've already been through this before. It's safe to assume that if Dorian looks better in person, then Ronnie does too. So we can make an informed decision based on pics and videos.

I used to accept all of Peter's quotes. However, you would pick and choose which quotes to believe. It was only fair that I be able to do the same. So don't act like I'm the one who originally dismissed certain quotes and clung to others. I'm just following your example.

anatomy and physiology are 2 different things.

It doesn't matter you're puting stock in the medical community to ascertain a persons conditioning based on NOTHING more than photographs over a person who has 40 years experience in competitive bodybuilding  who was at all their contests thats just laughable

we've already been through this before. It's safe to assume that if Dorian looks better in person, then Ronnie does too. So we can make an informed decision based on pics and videos.

And you know what they say about assumption?  the difference being my dimwitted friend is I can post may quotes to back up my claim how about you? 

I used to accept all of Peter's quotes. However, you would pick and choose which quotes to believe. It was only fair that I be able to do the same. So don't act like I'm the one who originally dismissed certain quotes and clung to others. I'm just following your example.

Not quite little man , you were the one who originally claimed that one is bound by all quotes regardless if they support your argument I never did and I'm free to agree or disagree especially when the nature is subjective again you're a hypocrite thats the difference between you and I oh and the fact I know what I'm talking about and you don't and if it wasn't for me , you wouldn't have that quote to cling to  again the difference is I didn't fear it

[NeoSeminole]

It doesn't matter you're puting stock in the medical community to ascertain a persons conditioning based on NOTHING more than photographs over a person who has 40 years experience in competitive bodybuilding  who was at all their contests thats just laughable

it does matter. You're comparing a medical doctor's expert opinion to someone with an English major, if that.

And you know what they say about assumption? the difference being my dimwitted friend is I can post may quotes to back up my claim how about you?

I don't need quotes from magazines. I've read several comments from people who saw the Olympia live say they look much better in person than in pics.

Not quite little man , you were the one who originally claimed that one is bound by all quotes regardless if they support your argument I never did and I'm free to agree or disagree especially when the nature is subjective again you're a hypocrite thats the difference between you and I oh and the fact I know what I'm talking about and you don't and if it wasn't for me , you wouldn't have that quote to cling to again the difference is I didn't fear it

I can't be a hypocrite if I'm following your lead otherwise that makes you one too.

[DAMY]

I met both these guys like I saidand theres a world of diffrence its the apples and oranges thing. All this photowotsit and coloyrs and silouetes and wotnot are daft. The most imediately impressive bloke I ever went up against to me was kevin Levrone, I mean befor he broke through to the top flight. Not the tallest not the biggest but to me he looked like a survivor from what they call the golden age he was always in decent condition ypoud never catch him fat or anywhere near it. Ronnie and some of the others and me at my biggets we were just big brutes but could look great IF we got it bang on right on time. But even at the top of our game we could still balls it up and overdiet or under diet.BUt Levrone always looked like the classic piece of sculpture that the golden agers and weider used to bang on about. Just something about the geezer made ya want to look at him. And no I'm not a poof before one of the sites wankers suggests it for a giggle.

Damy

[Matt C]

I'll be the bigger man and say enough is enough , the board is sick of our ' debates ' obviously neither of us are going to convince each other of our opinions , and we've basically said everything we could , so I say lets end this debate out of respect for others , I say you and I stop directly comparing Ronnie & Dorian and leave well enough alone and let the board have a rest lol the ball is now in your court . 

I think Ronnie is better.

[pumpster]

I should have known its from M8 lol its photoshopped

Thank god it was shopped, he was starting to look something like this LOL:

[Iceman1981]

Idiot pay attention the red one's been posted for over a year now , this ' real ' one has just been posted recently what does that tell you? and again why would someone photoshop a pic red? that defeats the purpose , I know logic is a new thing to you but try it some time.

I guess you never learn. Oh well. It's clear as day the red pic is photoshopped. I don't care when the red (photoshop) pic was posted. It is photoshopped period. Deal with it.

[Hulkster]

ND never learns. the critical thinking skills are just not there, unfortunately.

he goes on and on about stuff, depsite being shown to be wrong a million times, and still keeps on posting as if nothing happened.

it goes in one ear and out the other .

a classic example of many is the recent insistance that every single ronnie pic that is better than dorian (which is many of them) is 'photoshopped'..


he just pulls excuses out of his ass.

[NarcissisticDeity]

it does matter. You're comparing a medical doctor's expert opinion to someone with an English major, if that.

I don't need quotes from magazines. I've read several comments from people who saw the Olympia live say they look much better in person than in pics.

I can't be a hypocrite if I'm following your lead otherwise that makes you one too.

it does matter. You're comparing a medical doctor's expert opinion to someone with an English major, if that.

You're just being silly seriously. and NO a medical doctor isn't an expert on competitive bodybuilding thats where you're wrong its not his area of expertise and to attempt to ascertain who's carrying less bodyfat and water by pictures alone is inaccurate even if he knew about competitive bodybuilding , and wow someone was a English major that might come in handy when you're a writer for a magazine and its all a matter of experience .

I'll take the opinion of a bodybuilding writer who's business is to attend contests & photoshoots and write about them , who's been in the business of competitive bodybuilding for 40 years , who has seen the competitors in question at their all-time best and worse live and in the flesh over ANY medical ' expert ' who is taking an educated guess based on photographs

I don't need quotes from magazines. I've read several comments from people who saw the Olympia live say they look much better in person than in pics.

No at first you assumed it applied to Ronnie ( and others ) as well and now you can't produce any quotes from magazine so now you have read them , well why would you assume in the first place? especially if you had ' quotes ' from others and again its about context I'm sure from a size prospective most would look better in reality than they do in person but more than one source specificallystate he doesn't look as good on paper & film there is a reason they're saying it

Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates

" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.

MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.

" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own.  Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.

Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002

Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example).

See a pattern here? and thats not the comments from members who have echo this sentiment

I can't be a hypocrite if I'm following your lead otherwise that makes you one too.

No you're not following my lead , this is where I use your nonsense LYING you're a LIAR ! STOP LYING ! no according to your warped logic you said if I agree with one opinion I'm bound now to agree with them all or abandon them this is YOU who stated this Neo not I    now your own stupid logic has come back and bitten you in the ass because now we have a nonsubjective quote about on conditioning that contradicts your claim so what does Neo do? he dismisses one quote and clings to another and seeing you created his warped edict about all or nothing and are breaking the edict that makes you a hypocrite 

your posts are become more stupid by the moment , please reread what you're typing before you hit the ' post ' button .

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND never learns. the critical thinking skills are just not there, unfortunately.

he goes on and on about stuff, depsite being shown to be wrong a million times, and still keeps on posting as if nothing happened.

it goes in one ear and out the other .

a classic example of many is the recent insistance that every single ronnie pic that is better than dorian (which is many of them) is 'photoshopped'..


he just pulls excuses out of his ass.

You're a LIAR I only exposed you for the photoshopped pics I KNOW OF and the ones your partner in crime has admitted to , so again you're reduced to lying and you've been busted the jig is up get over it , but hey you have learned for now.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I guess you never learn. Oh well. It's clear as day the red pic is photoshopped. I don't care when the red (photoshop) pic was posted. It is photoshopped period. Deal with it.

No it isn't clear you're full of shit and you have poor logic , no one photoshops a pic red that defeats the purpose of making the picture better and its worse , again it makes more sense the red pic was the original and the other is the adjusted pic , and the best parts is the red pic has been posted for well over a year and the other one has just recently been posted that supports my claim not yours , I hope this helps.

[Hulkster]

You're a LIAR I only exposed you for the photoshopped pics I KNOW OF and the ones your partner in crime has admitted to , so again you're reduced to lying and you've been busted the jig is up get over it , but hey you have learned for now.

sure ND..

everyone on the boards can see through your bullshit.

it has been demonstrated on multiple threads all at once lately..

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

sure ND..

everyone on the boards can see through your bullshit.

it has been demonstrated on multiple threads all at once lately..

 

What the fuck does this have to do with you LYING? lol everyone seen through my bullshit? and what threads? the one saying Nasser is beating Dorian in the back poses? lol this is your proof? you speak of proof but what do you know of it? here is proof kid , proof you knowingly used photoshopped pics , proof you are still using fixed shots of Dorian to distort the quality , you are soundly proven wrong with proof .

[NeoSeminole]

You're just being silly seriously. and NO a medical doctor isn't an expert on competitive bodybuilding thats where you're wrong its not his area of expertise

you're just being an annoying dumbass, seriously. Where did I say a medical doctor is an expert on competitive bodybuilding? Are you purposely making shit up to make you look right?

and to attempt to ascertain who's carrying less bodyfat and water by pictures alone is inaccurate even if he knew about competitive bodybuilding , and wow someone was a English major that might come in handy when you're a writer for a magazine and its all a matter of experience.

it's not inaccurate to use visual evidence to determine who's carrying less body fat and water. If that were so, then what's the point of including pics in contest reports? Why don't magazines just print a written account of what each competitor looked like? Your argument makes no sense.

I'll take the opinion of a bodybuilding writer who's business is to attend contests & photoshoots and write about them , who's been in the business of competitive bodybuilding for 40 years , who has seen the competitors in question at their all-time best and worse live and in the flesh over ANY medical ' expert ' who is taking an educated guess based on photographs

ahhh, so you'll believe Peter McGough's opinion that Dorian was harder but you won't accept his belief that Ronnie at his prime is unbeatable? Hypocrite.

No at first you assumed it applied to Ronnie ( and others ) as well and now you can't produce any quotes from magazine so now you have read them , well why would you assume in the first place? especially if you had ' quotes ' from others and again its about context I'm sure from a size prospective most would look better in reality than they do in person but more than one source specificallystate he doesn't look as good on paper & film there is a reason they're saying it

I have a quote saying Ronnie looks better in person and another hailing his conditioning at the 01 ASC as the best ever.

Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004

“For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”

Jim Stoppani – Flex Magazine, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

[Shockwave]

I think Ronnie is better.

Did you switch it to 5-10 pages now?

[NarcissisticDeity]

you're just being an annoying dumbass, seriously. Where did I say a medical doctor is an expert on competitive bodybuilding? Are you purposely making shit up to make you look right?

it's not inaccurate to use visual evidence to determine who's carrying less body fat and water. If that were so, then what's the point of including pics in contest reports? Why don't magazines just print a written account of what each competitor looked like? Your argument makes no sense.

ahhh, so you'll believe Peter McGough's opinion that Dorian was harder but you won't accept his belief that Ronnie at his prime is unbeatable? Hypocrite.

I have a quote saying Ronnie looks better in person and another hailing his conditioning at the 01 ASC as the best ever.

Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004

“For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”

Jim Stoppani – Flex Magazine, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

you're just being an annoying dumbass, seriously. Where did I say a medical doctor is an expert on competitive bodybuilding? Are you purposely making shit up to make you look right?

You said it when you claimed a medical doctor would be able to tell who is better conditioned by pictures alone and this contradicts the quote from Peter McGough who is a expert on competitive bodybuilding , and NO I don't make shit up to make me look good sorry moron you made that claim once before about the definition of symmetry and got your ass handed to you then  , so spare me your nonsense .

it's not inaccurate to use visual evidence to determine who's carrying less body fat and water. If that were so, then what's the point of including pics in contest reports? Why don't magazines just print a written account of what each competitor looked like? Your argument makes no sense.

No it is inaccurate then to use your retarded logic why don't competitors just mail the judges some glossy 8X10s  can you get any more fucking stupid? I mean you're a complete ignorant on competitive bodybuilding your ' credentials ' are laughable let me sum this up with a few quotes

Bob Chick GetBig 10 - 05 - 2007

THis is why pictures will never replace actually being there, in person and close to the stage....

Mr Gethin GetBig Steptember 10 , 2007

Beat Ronnie fare and square on the european tour...Huh? Were you there? Did you know anyone who was there, or are you speculating via pics? I'm a contest photog and can tell you that pics dont always give a true depiction.

Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002

Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example). Despite that caveat, and despite the fact that these peepers

ahhh, so you'll believe Peter McGough's opinion that Dorian was harder but you won't accept his belief that Ronnie at his prime is unbeatable? Hypocrite.

absolutely because one if subjective and the other isn't , you can't escape that fact kid , you ask many people who the best ever is and you'll get 20 different responses , either a person is exhibiting that bone dry & rock hard look or they're not its that simple I've yet to see conflicting reports on how Dorian wasn't as hard as nails in 95 because its not subjective , and I've always maintained Ronnie despite McGough's claim probably equaled Dorian for that type of conditioning although he was lighter thats the key difference  and NO I'm not the hypocrite YOU are , and you damn well know it too lol because you were the idiot who claimed one is bound to believe anything McGough says and they can't pick and choose , so I'm sure you'll agree with McGough when he said Dorian won the 1997 Mr Olympia?  you're a hypocrite period

I have a quote saying Ronnie looks better in person and another hailing his conditioning at the 01 ASC as the best ever.

Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004

“For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”

from a size prospective did you miss this part? notice they keep referring to his size which I admitted most are like this , old quote already been addressed and dismissed , find me 5 more if you want to impress me

Jim Stoppani – Flex Magazine, July 2005[/b]

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

No you're a LIAR he's NOT hailing it as the best ever thats a lie , it was a QUESTION you will never escape that its was offered as a question and to answer the question YES someone has displayed a more muscular ( 260 pounds ) equally shredded ( at the least , maybe better ) higher-quality ( Dorian 1995 Mr Olympia ) so nice try , Ronnie was bone dry & rock hard at 247 pounds WOW-WEE Dorian was bone dry & rock hard at 269 pounds and his physique displayed better balance & proportion and its more complete and we don't need a question mark at the end. 

[NeoSeminole]

You said it when you claimed a medical doctor would be able to tell who is better conditioned by pictures alone and this contradicts the quote from Peter McGough who is a expert on competitive bodybuilding , and NO I don't make shit up to make me look good sorry moron you made that claim once before about the definition of symmetry and got your ass handed to you then  , so spare me your nonsense.

yes, you do make shit up to make you look right. You claimed I said Dorian's conditioning was due to acne. That was a lie. You claimed I said I know more about bodybuilding b/c I'm a personal trainer. That was a lie. Now you claim I said a medical doctor knows more about competitive bodybuilding. That too is a lie.

No it is inaccurate then to use your retarded logic why don't competitors just mail the judges some glossy 8X10s can you get any more fucking stupid? I mean you're a complete ignorant on competitive bodybuilding your ' credentials ' are laughable let me sum this up with a few quotes

you would have a case if you argued it's unfair to compare a contest pic of Dorian to Ronnie in person. We're comparing a pic of Dorian to a pic of Ronnie. So all things are equal. If you claim Dorian looks better in person, then it's only fair to extend the same courtesy to Ronnie. Any advantage Dorian has in the flesh is quickly negated.

absolutely because one if subjective and the other isn't , you can't escape that fact kid , you ask many people who the best ever is and you'll get 20 different responses , either a person is exhibiting that bone dry & rock hard look or they're not its that simple I've yet to see conflicting reports on how Dorian wasn't as hard as nails in 95 because its not subjective , and I've always maintained Ronnie despite McGough's claim probably equaled Dorian for that type of conditioning although he was lighter thats the key difference  and NO I'm not the hypocrite YOU are , and you damn well know it too lol because you were the idiot who claimed one is bound to believe anything McGough says and they can't pick and choose , so I'm sure you'll agree with McGough when he said Dorian won the 1997 Mr Olympia? you're a hypocrite period

yawn. Peter McGough's assessment that Dorian was harder and drier is an opinion - NOT a fact. Unless Peter admits he felt both men at their primes (which I highly doubt), then it will remain his opinion.

[RocketSwitch625]

Here are some videos that should silence the nut-huggers for a while:

Near DVD quality video of Dorian Yates' legendary 93 Olympia posing routine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpTaacEtkmQ

Previously unseen footage of Dorian Yates guest posing shortly after the 92 Olympia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw8QkN83k20

Dorian Yates - Bodybuilding is his life (fan video with previously unseen training footage):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfbMNqdKrG0

[IceCold]

what i've been saying for over a year.

hulkster, explain the differences betwee the two pics, and why you know which one is not fake, but yet sill post the adjusted pic.

[delta9mda]

yates was better, hope this helps.

[RocketSwitch625]

Yates was better, it's a fact.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes, you do make shit up to make you look right. You claimed I said Dorian's conditioning was due to acne. That was a lie. You claimed I said I know more about bodybuilding b/c I'm a personal trainer. That was a lie. Now you claim I said a medical doctor knows more about competitive bodybuilding. That too is a lie.

you would have a case if you argued it's unfair to compare a contest pic of Dorian to Ronnie in person. We're comparing a pic of Dorian to a pic of Ronnie. So all things are equal. If you claim Dorian looks better in person, then it's only fair to extend the same courtesy to Ronnie. Any advantage Dorian has in the flesh is quickly negated.

yawn. Peter McGough's assessment that Dorian was harder and drier is an opinion - NOT a fact. Unless Peter admits he felt both men at their primes (which I highly doubt), then it will remain his opinion.

yes, you do make shit up to make you look right. You claimed I said Dorian's conditioning was due to acne. That was a lie. You claimed I said I know more about bodybuilding b/c I'm a personal trainer. That was a lie. Now you claim I said a medical doctor knows more about competitive bodybuilding. That too is a lie.

You absolutely said Dorian's grainy conditioning was most likely due to poor skin and posted some chick on the beach , and you're playing with words another of your lame tactics you most certainly said you know more about bodybuilding because of your exercise degree and because you volunteered at hospitals and you were a " Certified Personal Trainer " lol and again moron you're trying to tell me a medical doctor could tell me which bodybuilder is better conditioned via pictures over a bodybuilding expert who was live and in person , so in fact you most certainly are saying a medical doctor knows more than a bodybuilding expert despite never even attending a professional contest , you're full of shit kid

you would have a case if you argued it's unfair to compare a contest pic of Dorian to Ronnie in person. We're comparing a pic of Dorian to a pic of Ronnie. So all things are equal. If you claim Dorian looks better in person, then it's only fair to extend the same courtesy to Ronnie. Any advantage Dorian has in the flesh is quickly negated.

Again more wishfull thinking on your part thats all you're left with because you can't produce the quotes specific to the topic at hand so no all things aren't equal I have 6 quotes all converging to the same point and if it was the case for Ronnie I think you'd be able to have something along the same lines and as usual you have NOTHING , and the funny thing is Peter McGough specifically states some look better in pictures than in person Shawn being an example yet using your retard logic that can't be true and we must extend Shawn the same ' courtesy ' as Yates . again you are really reaching as usual

yawn. Peter McGough's assessment that Dorian was harder and drier is an opinion - NOT a fact. Unless Peter admits he felt both men at their primes (which I highly doubt), then it will remain his opinion.

LMFAO you're trapped in your own stupid Universe moron you're trying to pass your opinion off as fact via pictures ONLY and yet the man in questions opinion isn't fact its just opinion  and you would ' guarantee ' he would say Ronnie is is better conditioned just from looking at pics lmfao for all intents & purposes Dorian's conditioning was a matter of fact and NOT of subjective opinion , and the best is this , his OPINION is only worthy and correct when it supports YOUR claim that at his best he was unbeatable , just like the Jim Stoppani quote its now not a matter of opinion which is subjective its a FACT when it coinsides with your belief you're a hypocrite and not a very sophisticated one at that , you know very little about competitive bodybuilding and never will because you're stop proud to admit you're wrong .

[Camel Jockey]

 

[pumpster]

yates was better, hope this helps.

Typically lacking in substantiation. Apparently doesn't matter LOL

[NarcissisticDeity]

Typically lacking in substantiation. Apparently doesn't matter LOL

Like any of your posts even came close to substantiating any empty claim you made .

[NarcissisticDeity]

and you were just bitching about ' class ' ?  that makes you a hypocrite