Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004

As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.

Not one mention of 1999 Mr Olympia , gee I wonder why?

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

2001 Arnold Classic , where is the 99 Olympia? lol

review of mr. olympia 1999, january 2000, page  90:

257 pounds, a good seven pounds heavier than last year and the clear winner, ALTHOUGH NOT AS BONE DRY OR AS ROCK HARD IN 98.  In comparison to 98, his thighs are enourmous with a greater sweep and his front delts have improved; plus the pec anomaly (gyno) is no longer present.

Impressive split biceps.  An awesome back double biceps on which muscle fights with muscle to hang onto his frame.  A big, big lat spead promted Dorian "backman" yates to comment, "ronnie looks like a cartoon character".  when doing back poses, ronnie would hitch up his trunks to expose ripped glutes.

although NOT as bone dry or as rock hard as in 98 , what happened to 1999? lol

Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001

RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .

wow two different years and exact same conclusion , Ronnie is better at a lighter weight i.e. 98


Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005

Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack.

where is 1999 Mr Olympia? I know not here because his conditioning is NOT as good as 01 and 98

Ronnie Coleman

What was your best Olympia? I would have to say my first because my conditioning was spot-on

I think that puts your bull shit to sleep moron , 1998 & 2001 are considered to be Ronnie's best showings NOT 1999 sorry game over Hulkster , you can't counter this. 

[Camel Jockey]

 

[cht868]

"no you didn't you added what you think wins contests"

I used the same criteria from your post. Read it again, you dipshit.

here is what you listed:

Muscular bulk
Muscular density
Muscular balance
Conditioning

I used muscular bulk, balance, and conditioning. I didn't make a separate category for density b/c it's included in conditioning. I threw symmetry and shape in there b/c they are just as important as the rest. The quarter turns is sometimes referred to as the symmetry round for Christ's sake, and Bev Francis (IFBB Mr. Olympia judge) said she looks at muscular shape when evaluating competitors.

you are on Dorian's nuts b/c you ignore his flaws while trying to add greater importance to his strengths. The only areas Dorian had over Ronnie were forearms and calves. You claim these muscles are visible in every pose and a bodybuilder cannot be complete without them. However, you conveniently ignore the fact that Ronnie has better arms, delts, pecs, glutes, quads, hamstrings, a narrower waist, and smaller joints. Case in point: you're the only idiot I've ever heard say something as absurd as "Dorian had better arms b/c of his forearms."

thats pretty funny, saying dorian has better arms than ronnie cause of forearms, dorian has the worst arms of any mr. olympia of all time...and yes that includes jay cutler...just cause dorian had naturally large calves doesn't mean shit, there are/were tons of bodybuilders who were successful with no calves...and imo ronnie's calves didn't look 2 bad, at least not as bad as dorians shitty arms

[NarcissisticDeity]

"no you didn't you added what you think wins contests"

I used the same criteria from your post. Read it again, you dipshit.

here is what you listed:

Muscular bulk
Muscular density
Muscular balance
Conditioning

I used muscular bulk, balance, and conditioning. I didn't make a separate category for density b/c it's included in conditioning. I threw symmetry and shape in there b/c they are just as important as the rest. The quarter turns is sometimes referred to as the symmetry round for Christ's sake, and Bev Francis (IFBB Mr. Olympia judge) said she looks at muscular shape when evaluating competitors.

you are on Dorian's nuts b/c you ignore his flaws while trying to add greater importance to his strengths. The only areas Dorian had over Ronnie were forearms and calves. You claim these muscles are visible in every pose and a bodybuilder cannot be complete without them. However, you conveniently ignore the fact that Ronnie has better arms, delts, pecs, glutes, quads, hamstrings, a narrower waist, and smaller joints. Case in point: you're the only idiot I've ever heard say something as absurd as "Dorian had better arms b/c of his forearms."

I used the same criteria from your post. Read it again, you dipshit.

here is what you listed:

Muscular bulk
Muscular density
Muscular balance
Conditioning

I used muscular bulk, balance, and conditioning. I didn't make a separate category for density b/c it's included in conditioning. I threw symmetry and shape in there b/c they are just as important as the rest. The quarter turns is sometimes referred to as the symmetry round for Christ's sake, and Bev Francis (IFBB Mr. Olympia judge) said she looks at muscular shape when evaluating competitors.

You're like Hulkster completely IGNORANT of how contests are actually judged , NO density is NOT included in conditioning its listed separately idiot

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

see its listed separate  and let me also clue you into another fact ALL ROUNDS ARE PHYSIQUE ROUNDS what this means my dim witted little friend is that NO part of the criteria is separated from another in any particular round , everything is looked at in every round , the symmetry round they look for , muscular bulk , balanced development , muscular density and definition , so while Ronnie does have some advantages in certain areas as a whole ( you know all rounds are physique rounds ) Dorian satisfies the criteria better than Ronnie

you are on Dorian's nuts b/c you ignore his flaws while trying to add greater importance to his strengths. The only areas Dorian had over Ronnie were forearms and calves. You claim these muscles are visible in every pose and a bodybuilder cannot be complete without them. However, you conveniently ignore the fact that Ronnie has better arms, delts, pecs, glutes, quads, hamstrings, a narrower waist, and smaller joints. Case in point: you're the only idiot I've ever heard say something as absurd as "Dorian had better arms b/c of his forearms."

lmfao still trying to accumulate parts huh? thats NOT how contests are judged idiot While Ronnie has some advantages he's still incomplete period end of sentence Ronnie does have some advantages over Yates but Dorian's strengths are overwhelming and I never once claimed Dorian has better arms because of his forearms that an outright LIE , what I did claim is Yates' have better overall arms because he had better triceps and forearms and I said that tongue in cheek

Bottom like you moron

Dorian has a clear advantage in density & conditioning , this is NOT debateable Dorian has better balance & proportion again old news , whats left? detail? to quote you " better detail alone doesn't make for a better back " well any better detail Ronnie may have doesn't make for a better bodybuilder when his balance & proportion lag behind Yates as well had his hardness & dryness , oh lets couple that with Dorian's greater bulk ( depending on the year ) oh and how can we forget Yates is a better poser too and he's more complete , Dorian is the criteria Ronnie isn't.

[NarcissisticDeity]

thats pretty funny, saying dorian has better arms than ronnie cause of forearms, dorian has the worst arms of any mr. olympia of all time...and yes that includes jay cutler...just cause dorian had naturally large calves doesn't mean shit, there are/were tons of bodybuilders who were successful with no calves...and imo ronnie's calves didn't look 2 bad, at least not as bad as dorians shitty arms

Dorian's shitty arms LMFAO kid get off of Ronnie's nut for a moment and come back to reality , Dorian's arms are much better than Ronnie's oil injected calves

[Camel Jockey]

Dorains arms were torn up quite a bit.. How could you say they were better? 

And offer proof of Ronnie's oil use.

[NarcissisticDeity]

lmfao Dorian crushing Ronnie and his collection of parts

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorains arms were torn up quite a bit.. How could you say they were better? 

And offer proof of Ronnie's oil use.

Dorian's triceps & forearms are better obviously before they were torn and this shot is from 07 and where are his calves? oh I know in a bottle

[Camel Jockey]

Dorian's triceps & forearms are better obviously before they were torn and this shot is from 07 and where are his calves? oh I know in a bottle

He's on lower doses or off in that shot.. Naturally his calves would be smaller.  He's always had very high and weak calves.

[Hulkster]

ND you miss the whole point competely.

you can't use quotes to show Ronnie was not as hard in 99 as he was in 98 because we have a quote stating quite clearly from McGough that he was in better condition (and fuller, with more size) than the year before.

What no one can figure out is that you are arguing all this shit without posting ANY VISUALS AT ALL.

why?

because they show what all the visuals show:

that Ronnie 99 was in better shape than in 98.

you run from visuals just like you run from me.

Please start trying to back up your bullshit with something from 98 that can exceed THIS:

http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport

until then, shut up.

ND fears visual evidence of Ronnie 99.

that much is clear.

eg. Ronnie 99 vs Ronnie 98:

hahahaha care to comment ND? lol


you STILL CANNOT PRODUCE any good comparisons to back up your claims.

and in this sport, if you can't do that, you have NOTHING:

[Hulkster]

just look at that. excellent comparisons showing both years and backing up what the Peter Quote says quite clearly.

that Ronnie 99 was better and in better condition than 98.

I am waiting for ND to try and show us otherwise LOL

it will never happen.

[NarcissisticDeity]

He's on lower doses or off in that shot.. Naturally his calves would be smaller.  He's always had very high and weak calves.

Speculation is all you're left with , but at least you can clearly see his calves are M.I.A

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND you miss the whole point competely.

you can't use quotes to show Ronnie was not as hard in 99 as he was in 98 because we have a quote stating quite clearly from McGough that he was in better condition (and fuller, with more size) than the year before.

What no one can figure out is that you are arguing all this shit without posting ANY VISUALS AT ALL.

why?

because they show what all the visuals show:

that Ronnie 99 was in better shape than in 98.

you run from visuals just like you run from me.

Please start trying to back up your bullshit with something from 98 that can exceed THIS:

http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport

until then, shut up.

ND fears visual evidence of Ronnie 99.

that much is clear.

eg. Ronnie 99 vs Ronnie 98:

hahahaha care to comment ND? lol


you STILL CANNOT PRODUCE any good comparisons to back up your claims.

and in this sport, if you can't do that, you have NOTHING:

These quotes are based on VISUALS you know from people who were actually ther , you know like Ronnie Coleman lol

you want visuals here you go  want more?

owned again

[NarcissisticDeity]

just look at that. excellent comparisons showing both years and backing up what the Peter Quote says quite clearly.

that Ronnie 99 was better and in better condition than 98.

I am waiting for ND to try and show us otherwise LOL

it will never happen.

See above moron and he's NOT in better condition thats a lie , stop typing kid its old lol no where is 99 Olympia viewed as his best showing other than in your head. I got the visuals I got the quotes you got Ronnie's nutts down your throat lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

More visual proof proving my points do I really need to post the quotes again? lmfao

[Hulkster]

everyone please take note that ND has to take shots of Ronnie from 99 not even done flexing and in terrible lighting respectively to 'prove' his point lol

the worst shots from 99 he can find.

like I said, he fears good comparisons:

98 vs 99

go home ND: come back when you have something good for a change:

and besides, you IGNORED my challenge to PRODUCE something BETTER than the 99 prejuding vid.

you can't, and you know what? you NEVER will from 98 at least.

go ahead and try. I challenge you, coward.

[Hulkster]

ND owned again LOL

98 vs 99 -

ND fears good comparisons.

[NarcissisticDeity]

everyone please take note that ND has to take shots of Ronnie from 99 not even done flexing and in terrible lighting respectively to 'prove' his point lol

the worst shots from 99 he can find.

like I said, he fears good comparisons:

98 vs 99

go home ND: come back when you have something good for a change:

and besides, you IGNORED my challenge to PRODUCE something BETTER than the 99 prejuding vid.

you can't, and you know what? you NEVER will from 98 at least.

go ahead and try. I challenge you, coward.

Which proves my POINT jack ass pictures are USELESS eyewitness testimony trumps ANY pics and all of the people who were there all say Ronnie was HARDER & DRIER in 98

owned visuals count from the people who were there live & in person to see the event as it unfolded

boy you walked right into that one lol you're so simple lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND owned again LOL

98 vs 99 -

ND fears good comparisons.

monster irony of you typing fearing good comparisons lmmfao I hope IceCold doesn't see this you'll get owned by him too

Hulkster when are you cracking out the photoshopped pics?

[NeoSeminole]

You're like Hulkster completely IGNORANT of how contests are actually judged , NO density is NOT included in conditioning its listed separately idiot

"The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition."

you're so f*cking stupid. Notice they left out conditioning in the quote you provided? That's b/c density and definition are both included in conditioning. So it would be redundant to list all 3. The same goes for balanced development. Really, they're referring to "symmetry, balance, and proportion." Use your brain cell for once.

lmfao still trying to accumulate parts huh? thats NOT how contests are judged idiot While Ronnie has some advantages he's still incomplete period end of sentence Ronnie does have some advantages over Yates but Dorian's strengths are overwhelming and I never once claimed Dorian has better arms because of his forearms that an outright LIE , what I did claim is Yates' have better overall arms because he had better triceps and forearms and I said that tongue in cheek

Ronnie is incomplete just like Dorian is incomplete; neither man is without flaw. The difference between them is Ronnie's strengths beat out Dorian's. Ronnie has better muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, fullness, and shape. Dorian has better proportion and density. Whoop-tee-doo.

[pumpster]

, dorian has the worst arms of any mr. olympia of all time...and yes that includes jay cutler...just cause dorian had naturally large calves doesn't mean shit, there are/were tons of bodybuilders who were successful with no calves...and imo ronnie's calves didn't look 2 bad, at least not as bad as dorians shitty arms

lol they don't call Yates the Columbu of the 90s for nothin..torso completely overpowers the arms.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ha ha ha, you're so f*cking stupid. Notice they left out conditioning in the quote you provided? That's b/c density and definition are both included in conditioning. So it would be redundant to list all 3. The same goes for balanced development. Really, they're referring to "symmetry, balance, and proportion." Use your brain cell for once.

Ronnie is incomplete just like Dorian is incomplete; neither man is without flaw. The difference between them is Ronnie's strengths beat out Dorian's. Ronnie has better muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, fullness, and shape. Dorian has better density. Whoop-tee-doo.

ha ha ha, you're so f*cking stupid. Notice they left out conditioning in the quote you provided? That's b/c density and definition are both included in conditioning. So it would be redundant to list all 3. The same goes for balanced development. Really, they're referring to "symmetry, balance, and proportion." Use your brain cell for once.

No they didn't definition is conditioning jackass  density is a separate entity hence why they listed separately OH SNAP owned again moron just like balance & proportion were the same thing huh Mr Personal Trainer? lmfao you know nothing

Ronnie is incomplete just like Dorian is incomplete; neither man is without flaw. The difference between them is Ronnie's strengths beat out Dorian's. Ronnie has better muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, fullness, and shape. Dorian has better density. Whoop-tee-doo.

Dorian is more complete than Coleman old news , Dorian has better density , better CONDITIONED bulk , better balance & proportion , better conditioning , he was a better poser and had fewer flaws

owned

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol they don't call Yates the Columbu of the 90s for nothin..

Who is they? you're the only moron making that claim ! 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie's collection os mis-matched parts couldn't come close to this completeness from head to toe

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yates is the judging criteria