Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[suckmymuscle]

Of course you don't get it because like ND you're a data-nerd: everything in BB is reduced to bodyweights and number of first place rankings. 

Brilliant-forget aesthetics, lines and especially forget how Yates' validity on the entire upper arm was analyzed and destroyed forever. All he's got are lateral tris cut and thus one friggin side triceps that Coleman compares with him on. That's IT when it comes to arms-mediocre arms at this level does not cut it.

280 lb. and his torso overwhelms his arms, as always. Finally get that through your head: he's never had superstar arms, which ruins a huge number of poses in which his torso is just too damn big.

The glaring imbalance in arm size is completely separate from the issue of arm shape-he's completely uninspiring in that regard.

  A "data-nerd", huh? Funny how, a minute ago, you accused me of not supplying enough data and facts to support my claims. When I do, you get pissed of and call others your nickname from Junior High. You're so easy, poop.

  I've been posting here with this username for a couple of years, and I posted before that, with another one, for three years. In all this time, I've met many morons on this board. Guys who had nothing to contribute. Guys which the highlight of their life was posting unwitty insults here. But in all these years, I've never met a moron of your caliber. Amazing! You have nothing to contribute; you have nothing to argue about. Your posts are inane beyond belief, usually composed of nothing else than writing "tier B", or saying that Dorian is a new Columbo.

  A few days ago, Narcissistic wrote me a PM, asking me if I thought he should even continue to reply to your posts, so stupid they were. I told him I thought he should, so as to allow you to hang yourself and show, to the whole board, what an internet loser you are. Until now, you haven't disappointed us. Thanks.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

How about this shot, dumbass?

Uh, no blockhead. No for the fifteenth time-get off your ass and find just ONE Yates MM dead-on the camera, which is obviously not the case with the desperate choice of that pic, once again...

Here's what he actually looks like genius..looking solidly 3rd out of the 3 on the pose, and you know it...hahahhahahah

[pumpster]

you have nothing to argue about. Your posts are inane beyond belief, usually composed of nothing else than writing "tier B", or saying that Dorian is a new Columbo.

  A few days ago, Narcissistic wrote me a PM, asking me if I thought he should even continue to reply to your posts, so stupid they were.

Jesus, you guys are like two school-girls with the gossip, giggling to one another via PMs. This is embarassing! hahahahahha

Bring it genius-take a break from your bitching about others and actually bring some content you whiny little beeotch.

[suckmymuscle]

Uh, no blockhead. No for the fifteenth time-get off your ass and find just ONE Yates MM dead-on the camera, which is obviously not the case with the desperate choice of that pic, once again...

Here's what he actually looks like genius..looking solidly 3rd out of the 3 on the pose, and you know it...hahahhahahah

  This coming from someone who poss the same four pics, over and over and...over...and over...again. Yeah, poop, my 400 pics against your 4!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

P.S: That's the one pic I've posted several times, because it's just so good in demonstrating Dorian's overwhelming superiority, in balance and etched mass.

[pumpster]

Except those same 4 pics are RELEVANT, you idiot. That partial-side MM is meaningless..

That's the one pic I've posted several times, because it's just so good in demonstrating Dorian's overwhelming superiority, in balance and etched mass.

If he's so impressive, find one dead-on. Hurry up.

[pumpster]

Still not looking so great once compared with someone markedly better..good density but the arms looking embarassing in comparison (again).

That side-shot IS important for hiding some of Yates deficiencies, that's understood.

[pumpster]

Since you're well rested and spend most of your time PMing/daydreaming about ND, get off your ass and find something to match this one while you're at it..

Finding something comparable should be no more difficult that finding one legit head-on Yates MM that doesn't look horrid. 

[suckmymuscle]

Since you're well rested and spend most of your time PMing/daydreaming about ND, get off your ass and find something to match this one while you're at it..

Finding something comparable should be no more difficult that finding one legit head-on Yates MM that doesn't look horrid. 

  No, poop, your momma is not called "ND". But yeah, I do daydream a lot about that fishy cun t of hers. The one you posted is weak. Try to match these shots.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

  Part II...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

  Part III...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

ND, I am perfectly open to objective debate. Fact is, you do everything and anything other than actually take a moment to analyze the physiques. It is quite clear that Ronnie's quadriceps are incomprehensibly larger than Dorian's (and yes, this is a GOOD thing from the standpoint of modern physique assessment by the IFBB), they are striated and feathered (unlike Dorian), riddled with vascularity (unlike Dorian), have ideal separation (Dorian has poor separation between his rectus femoris and vastus lateralis - hell do you even know what these muscles are without running to google?  ), perfect proportion (Dorian's vastus medialis is too large, his rectus femoris is caved in, and vastus lateralis does not contribute to sweep and is underdeveloped).

HOW THE HELL IS THAT BIASED ND?
NOT A SINGLE STATEMENT IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE IS A MATTER OF OPINION!

exactly.

saying that this physique has far better muscle quality (shape, detail, vascularity):



than this one:


is not opinion.

It is FACT if you based it on proper judging criteria of shape, detail and vascularity.'

ND can't come up with shots and videos that show dorian looking better than a peak Ronnie so he just resorts to quotes and dismisses all the comments about Ronnie's far superior shape detail and vascularity (and taper) as "opinion".

well guess what: if you are sticking to how contests are judged, it is not opinion.

It is fact if you apply the concepts of modern judging:

The physique with better shape detail vascularity and taper is the better looking physique.

That is the way that it works in bodybuilding.
 
You can't look at a black picture and claim that saying it is black is just a matter of opinion because you don't like the colour black.

It doesn't work like that.

The overwhelming peak Ronnie evidence is the same: if you value judging criteria of detail size vascularity and taper, you will say that Ronnie is better.

You may not like it, but thats life.

If you choose not to adhere to these criteria, well then you can say that dorian is better.

But you are not judging the physiques in terms of how bodybuilding is judged.

You are doing something different.




if you apply judging criteria properly, saying that Ronnie is better is NOT opinion. It is fact. 

If you chose not to apply the criteria, then you can say whatever you want and for whatever reason.

but you not judging bodybuilding anymore.

[Hulkster]

if you properly apply the criteria, saying Ronnie looks better is not opinion anymore. It is fact.

It is fact because having a better taper shape, detail and vascularity means having a better looking physique in the bodybuilding world.

That what the criteria are there for: to give us a model for judging who has a better physique.

If you choose not to value these critera then fine - you can say that dorian's inferior muscular shape detail vascularity and taper look better.

That is your right to say that.

But you must also understand that you are not judging physiques in terms of normal criteria anymore.

You are saying whatever you want for whatever reason. Not because the criteria helped you to say who looks better.

[Hulkster]

apply normal criteria and you find that Ronnie is judged to have a better looking pose.

[LyricTenor]

rawr

[natural al]

Uh, no blockhead. No for the fifteenth time-get off your ass and find just ONE Yates MM dead-on the camera, which is obviously not the case with the desperate choice of that pic, once again...

Here's what he actually looks like genius..looking solidly 3rd out of the 3 on the pose, and you know it...hahahhahahah

it's amazing how many times you can use the same pic...why don't you just type..see everyone of my previous posts instead of me posting the same pic for the 3000th time?

[pumpster]

it's amazing how many times you can use the same pic...why don't you just type..see everyone of my previous posts instead of me posting the same pic for the 3000th time?

What's remarkable is that your reading comprehension is so low that you don't comprehend that repetition given that those pics are never answered convincingly-you haven't noticed this until I've told you. Are you blind? The pics have been ignored, and you haven't even noticed that the same has happened with the videos and getbig poll. Endeavor to be more aware.

And since this is something you've pondered, get busy finding better alternatives instead of whining.

[Hulkster]

 

Suckmyasshole, why oh why do you find the WORST possible pics of Yates and post them?

Are you starting to join the Colemaniacs?

[pumpster]

Suckmyasshole, why oh why do you find the WORST possible pics of Yates and post them?

Are you starting to join the Colemaniacs?

Unfrotunately, those are some of the "good" pics. hahahhahahahah

[NarcissisticDeity]

How about you actually address one of my arguments head-on for once? Please??

Yes.
Dorian's quadriceps & chest SUCK ASS compared to 'peak' Ronnie. This is widely-known.
A 12-year old quote is supposed to render this objective analysis invalid?? Get the f*ck out!!

Old & Worthless Quote. Its like arguing the Earth is flat because Ptolemy, an authority in his time, believed it to be so. Things change ... athletes improve.

ND, I am perfectly open to objective debate. Fact is, you do everything and anything other than actually take a moment to analyze the physiques. It is quite clear that Ronnie's quadriceps are incomprehensibly larger than Dorian's (and yes, this is a GOOD thing from the standpoint of modern physique assessment by the IFBB), they are striated and feathered (unlike Dorian), riddled with vascularity (unlike Dorian), have ideal separation (Dorian has poor separation between his rectus femoris and vastus lateralis - hell do you even know what these muscles are without running to google?  ), perfect proportion (Dorian's vastus medialis is too large, his rectus femoris is caved in, and vastus lateralis does not contribute to sweep and is underdeveloped).

HOW THE HELL IS THAT BIASED ND?
NOT A SINGLE STATEMENT IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE IS A MATTER OF OPINION!

Chest? Once again, Ronnie's is larger, he has amazing density with stacked striations (Dorian has few - not nearly enough to match Ronnie), considerably better outer/inner pectoral development, Dorian has a sternocostal attachment deficiency that is painfully obvious, whereas Ronnie has thick muscular development all along his sternum. Ronnie's chest looks 100% better, relaxed AND flexed. It isn't even a noteworthy comparison because the dichotomy is so extreme.

THESE AREN'T BIASED OPINIONS! It is crystal clear assessment - these are statements of fact.
You accuse me of bias yet you refuse to address my statements in an objective manner.
You don't attempt to refute or interject into any of the relevant analysis, you only dismiss it.

You made the claim Dorian's quads & chest suck , then you added ' compared to ' peak ' Ronnie ' and I used to quote as an example of you not giving Dorian enough credit which seems accurate , you said his quads suck as does his chest an I.F.B.B judge said otherwise , and atheletes improve? 2003 Ronnie Coleman was most certainly not an improvement over older versions and overdevelopment doesn't add up to imporvement

Ronnie may have an edge on quad development but his quads are so overdevloped they've compromised his balance of his entire lower body , his quads dominate his whole legs his hamstrings while shredded are out of balance with his quads this is evident in the sidechest shot , his calves are out of harmony and his glutes are way overdeveloped , and his quads lack their once pleasing shape they had when he was lighter

Chest again I feel you're not giving Yates enough credit okay you think Ronnie's is better well go with that , although I feel his chest is saggy and at some angles it appears flat , Yates had an awsome chest it was thick , striated although you seem to think not as much as Ron it was striated nonetheless , and the " sternocostal attachment deficiency " isn't even worth mentioning honestly it isn't it obviously never effected him before , but the best part is lets say Ronnie's chest is ' better ' I say Dorian has a better sidechest shot from head to toe

And when I say your biased its because you'll overlook Ronnie's major flaws and fixate on Dorian's you've said Ronnie stomach was completely flat in 2003 and its not , I've posted pics to the contrary , you feel his medicore calves are sufficent I say their a major liability , I say his conditioning sucks you you think its spectacular , you feel overdevlopment is imporvement I don't , you say muscle maturity is part of the judging criteria I say nonsense , so we're back to square one  same old argument same old responses .  

[Al-Gebra]

so we're back to square one  same old argument same old responses .  

So what are you guys going to do? I hope this doesn't mean youre giving up on your mission, ND?

[natural al]

What's remarkable is that your reading comprehension is so low that you don't comprehend that repetition given that those pics are never answered convincingly-you haven't noticed this until I've told you. Are you blind? The pics have been ignored, and you haven't even noticed that the same has happened with the videos and getbig poll. Endeavor to be more aware.

And since this is something you've pondered, get busy finding better alternatives instead of whining.

actually I don't want to be involved in this thread, I was just making a casual observation...here's the thing, you paint your car and it looks great but after looking at it 1000 times it just kinda looses it's impact, that's what those pics have done.  Were they effective in proving your point?  Probably at one time now it's just like "oh, look the same pics that were posted by pumpster 150 pages aga are still being posted."  that's all I was sayin'.

BTW, I'd be willing to bet my reading comprehension is alot higher than yours

[pumpster]

you paint your car and it looks great but after looking at it 1000 times it just kinda looses it's impact, that's what those pics have done.  Were they effective in proving your point? 

Which begs the question why you're bothering if you feel that way-actions speak louder than words and really throw your level of comprehension further into doubt. WTF are you doing here if you feel that way & offer no better substitute to what you're whining about again?

Now children...Yates getting obliterated for those of you cognitively challenged..

[natural al]

Which begs the question why you're bothering if you feel that way-actions speak louder than words and really throw your level of comprehension further into doubt. WTF are you doing here if you feel that way & offer no better substitute to what you're whining about again?

Now children...Yates getting obliterated for those of you cognitively challenged..

how do you figure checking in on a thread twice in the last week, noticing you're still posting the same pics and pointing it out has anything to do with my reading level.  I didn't even read any posts I just was making an observation.  I don't even know what you guys are talking about anymore but I bet it has something to do with Dorian being b-tier and Ronnie being able to walk on water since if someone says anything less than that you guys get all bent out of shape.  Honestly I have not read a post in this thread in at least a week.  I have no desire to bicker back and forth with someone who has spent 90% of his free time since this thread started making the same block-headed arguements.

[NarcissisticDeity]

So what are you guys going to do? I hope this doesn't mean youre giving up on your mission, ND?

I didn't give up on my opinion that Dorian would beat Ronnie thats not going to change anytime soon but this thread is boring , you can only take so much of pumptser posting the same pictures lol everything that could be said has been said .

[LyricTenor]

na, i bet there are still a few gems that Pumpster can come up with.  Perhaps dorian only won because murdered any judge that wouldnt vote for him.  Maybe he blackmailed Weider with pictures of Weider sleeping with a man.  All possiblities.

 

LOL, look at Haney's chest.  Ridiculous.