Oliver, now I know that you are Sucky's left nut. You are even more delusional than him. Only you feel that as Dorian got bigger he got better. My God man, open your eyes. At least Ronnie has striations, vascularity, taper and extreme conditioning. Dorian looked like complete shit in 1994/1997. He looked average (for a Mr. Olympia) in 1996. In 1993, he looked damn good and would have placed a nice second to Ronnie, but in the others he would have been lucky to beat Jay Cutler of the past few years. The fact is this, you claim he would have continued to win if he competed. I can honestly say if Dorian 1998 would have beaten Ronnie 1998; the bodybuilding community would have left in droves. Ronnie was bigger, harder and incredibly conditioned. Dorian was bulbous, an aesthetic mess and looked like a used up bodybuilder. By your logic, Dorian would have never won if Haney kept on competing. And BTW, Haney's back taper far exceeded Dorian ever. His upper back was thicker and his taper better. The only way Dorian beat him was a better lower back. Haney's back was massive; ND will even agree. You are the most delusional of the three. So Oliver, if Dorian won just on precedent; why would Haney continue to win (just curious how you come to such a conclusion)? If you state Dorian would have won in 1993, I counter that Ronnie would have won in 1998 (He looked far better than Dorian had for at least five years). Ok Ollie, let us hear your rational reasoning now.