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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5425 on: July 05, 2006, 03:01:56 PM »
This thread has entertained me for so long now... haha
As much as I prefer Dorian's physique, and as much as it pains me to say it...

1998 Ronnie would probably beat 1993 Dorian, in an unbiased, head to head contest.

Now, Ronnie probably would not have won, had Dorian not retired, simply due to the Olympia's politics.
This thread is so redundant it's not even funny.


What are you smoking? 93 Yates ahnilated a much sharper Flex Wheeler in 93 and Ronnie just barely Flex who wasn't on par with his 93 form and you think for a moment Ronnie would beat him?  ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5426 on: July 05, 2006, 03:04:13 PM »
What are you smoking? 93 Yates ahnilated a much sharper Flex Wheeler in 93 and Ronnie just barely Flex who wasn't on par with his 93 form and you think for a moment Ronnie would beat him?  ::)

Dude... I am a huge Dorian fan. Much larger fan of Dorian than Ronnie.
Im just trying to be objective here.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5427 on: July 05, 2006, 03:07:05 PM »
Besides, Flex doesn't carry the kind of size that Ronnie in 98 did.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5428 on: July 05, 2006, 03:09:03 PM »
Dude... I am a huge Dorian fan. Much larger fan of Dorian than Ronnie.
Im just trying to be objective here.

Whenever anyone prefaces their statements with " I'm a huge Dorian Yates fan "  you know a BS response is comming .

Dorian wiped the floor with everyone in 1993 including a much sharper Flex Wheeler than Ronnie faced in 98 , so what makes you think that Yates would lose to Ronnie when he just barely beat Flex in 98 by just 3 points , get serious Ronnie was lucky he won in 98 , lucky Flex was off and lucky the judges didn't go with Flex just based on him being the heir apparent .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5429 on: July 05, 2006, 03:10:21 PM »
Besides, Flex doesn't carry the kind of size that Ronnie in 98 did.

Flex doesn't need Ronnie's size and Ronnie wasn't carrying Dorian's size in 98 , Flex looked much better lighter anyway .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5430 on: July 05, 2006, 03:10:56 PM »
Go read my earlier responses in this thread.
I dont like Ronnie. At all.
Especially now. I think after 99 he looked like dogshit, minus the 2001 AC.
I do however think he would win with his 98 look.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5431 on: July 05, 2006, 03:12:26 PM »
The pummelling continues..




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5432 on: July 05, 2006, 03:12:46 PM »
ND cannot make the connection that Dorian beat Flex because he was:

1. bigger

and

2. Had a thick back with wide lats.

Thus, he overpowered Flex's greater  detail and shape.

The concept that ND cannot grasp is that he would have neither advantage with Ronnie, who would be just as sharp as Flex was, only with the size and lat width that Flex never had.

Hence: Ronnie would likely win.

Its not rocket science folks.

Well, maybe to an internet ironage fan boy like ND it is, but to the rest of us, its as clear as day.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5433 on: July 05, 2006, 03:14:34 PM »
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Dude... I am a huge Dorian fan. Much larger fan of Dorian than Ronnie.
Im just trying to be objective here.

Whenever anyone prefaces their statements with " I'm a huge Dorian Yates fan "  you know a BS response is comming .

ND in denial..maybe he's being honest?  ??? :'(

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5434 on: July 05, 2006, 03:15:10 PM »
What is funny is my first reponse in this thread was;

"Ironically... I agree with ND's stance on Dorian being better also.. However, im not getting into it either. Although Ronnie 96-98 was outstanding."

But now that I say I believe the judges would pick a 98 Ronnie, my reponse is somehow bullshit.
Weird

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5435 on: July 05, 2006, 03:16:33 PM »
ND cannot make the connection that Dorian beat Flex because he was:

1. bigger

and

2. Had a thick back with wide lats.

Thus, he overpowered Flex's greater  detail and shape.

The concept that ND cannot grasp is that he would have neither advantage with Ronnie, who would be just as sharp as Flex was, only with the size and lat width that Flex never had.

Hence: Ronnie would likely win.

Its not rocket science folks.

Well, maybe to an internet ironage fan boy like ND it is, but to the rest of us, its as clear as day.


No you can't seem to grasp the concept that Dorian doesn't have conform to Ronnies bodytype to beat him , all he has to do is be himself and it worked just fine and please show me in the IFBB rules does it state the guy with the greatest taper wins , and the greatest X-frame and the greatest vascularity , please do , internet-fan-boy falls down again .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5436 on: July 05, 2006, 03:18:39 PM »
What is funny is my first reponse in this thread was;

"Ironically... I agree with ND's stance on Dorian being better also.. However, im not getting into it either. Although Ronnie 96-98 was outstanding."

But now that I say I believe the judges would pick a 98 Ronnie, my reponse is somehow bullshit.
Weird

No you're very much entitled to your opinion but Ronnie 98 just barely beat Flex , by just 3 points and Dorian in 93 dominated a much sharper Flex so how you make the leap Ronnie 98 would best Yates in 93 is odd just based on that .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5437 on: July 05, 2006, 03:21:34 PM »
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What is funny is my first reponse in this thread was;

"Ironically... I agree with ND's stance on Dorian being better also.. However, im not getting into it either. Although Ronnie 96-98 was outstanding."

But now that I say I believe the judges would pick a 98 Ronnie, my reponse is somehow bullshit.
Weird


No you're very much entitled to your opinion but Ronnie 98 just barely beat Flex , by just 3 points and Dorian in 93 dominated a much sharper Flex so how you make the leap Ronnie 98 would best Yates in 93 is odd just based on that .


From this it's quite evident that ND ALWAYS has a set of rationalizations ready to inject-anything to remain in denial. Prozac would be more practical.. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5438 on: July 05, 2006, 03:24:34 PM »
Hulkster-The-Internet-Fan-Boy what you need to get into that skull of yours is Ronnie Coleman may have had an easy time with a past-their-primes Flex , Levrone and Ray and can beat Jay Cutler with ease but he NEVER in his career faced anyone of Dorian Yates caliber or quality Ronnie's tenure as Mr Olympia hasn't been anywhere near as dominating as Dorians , and Yates faced much higher quality feild of guys , so to think Ronnie would have a cake-walk with Dorian is showing your lack of knowledge ( fan-boy )

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5439 on: July 05, 2006, 03:26:46 PM »
No you can't seem to grasp the concept that Dorian doesn't have conform to Ronnies bodytype to beat him , all he has to do is be himself and it worked just fine and please show me in the IFBB rules does it state the guy with the greatest taper wins , and the greatest X-frame and the greatest vascularity , please do , internet-fan-boy falls down again .

man, you really act like you are new to bodybuilding.

For the last time, its not about "the guy who has the best taper or vascularity or whatever" wins.

Its about having an advantage in these traits that gives an advantage in the overall look of the body.

Thats how you win contests: by having an effective combination of traits that combine to give a superior overall look.

They guy who has the best taper but no detail will not win

The guy who has the best vascularity but not taper will not win.

But the guy who has a great combo of vascularity, detail taper etc will beat his opponents if these traits give him a better look.

eg.



its the combo of traits that count.

You really don't seem to understand how different traits of physiques are judged.

they are not judged in isolation and a winner is decided.

they are judged as one with all the other triats.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5440 on: July 05, 2006, 03:30:49 PM »
lol you really can see his ass from the front. good post PUMPSTER
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5441 on: July 05, 2006, 03:31:21 PM »
Hulkster this is exactly why Dorian would beat Ronnie .



When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a
routine procedure which will allow a comprehensive assessment of
the physique as a whole. During the comparisons of the
compulsory poses, the judge should first look at the primary
muscle group being displayed. The judge should then survey the
whole physique, starting from the head, and looking at every part
of the physique in a downward sequence, beginning with general
impressions, and looking for muscular bulk, balanced
development, muscular density and definition. The downward
survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the
arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in,
abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves and feet. The same
procedure for back poses will also take in the upper and lower
trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spinae, the gluteus
group, the leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and
feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups should
be made during the comparisons, at which time it helps the judge
to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still
bearing in mind the competitor’s overall balanced development.
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.

Front Lat Spread (see Figure 2)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet a
short distance apart, the competitor will place the open
hands, or clenched fists, against, or gripping, the lower
waist or obliques and will expand the latissimus muscles.
At the same time, the competitor should attempt to
contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. It
shall be strictly forbidden for the competitor to pull up on
the posing trunks so as to show the top inside of the
quadriceps.
The judge should first see whether the competitor can
show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby
creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should
continue with the head-to-foot survey, noting first the
general aspectsof the physique and then concentrating on
the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups.

3. Side Chest (see Figure 3)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose, in
order to display the “better” arm. He will stand with his
left or right side towards the judges and will bend the arm
nearest the judges to a right-angle position, with the fist
clenched and, with the other hand, will grasp the wrist.
The leg nearest the judges will be bent at the knee and
will rest on the toes. The competitor will then expand the
chest and by upward pressure of the front bent arm and
contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also
contract the thigh muscles, in particular, the biceps
femoris group, and by downward pressure on his toes,
will display the contracted calf muscles.
The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral
muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg
biceps and the calves, and will conclude with the head-tofoot
examination. In this pose the judge will be able to
survey the thigh and calf muscles in profile, which will
help in grading their comparative development more
accurately.

Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.

Back Lat Spread (see Figure 5)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
place his hands on his waist with his elbows kept wide,
one foot back and resting on the toes. He will then
contract the latissimus dorsi as wide as possible and
display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the
rear toes. The competitor should make an effort to
display the opposite calf to that which was displayed
during the back double biceps pose so the the judge may
assess both calf muscle equally. It shall be strictly
forbidden for the competitor to pull up on the posing
trunks so as to show the gluteus maximus muscles.
The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density and will again
conclude with the head-to-foot survey.

6. Side Triceps (see Figure 6)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose so as
to show the “better” arm. He will stand with his left or
right side towards the judges and will place both arms
behind his back, either linking his fingers or grasping the
front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The leg nearest
the judges will be bent at the knee and the foot will rest
flat on the floor. The competitor will exert pressure
against his front arm, thereby causing the triceps muscle
to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the
abdominal muscles as well as the thigh and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the triceps muscles, and
conclude with the head-to-foot examination. In this pose,
the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles
in profile, which will help in grading their comparative
development more accurately.

Abdominals and Thighs (see Figure 7)
Standing face front to the judges, the competitor will
place both arms behind the head and will place one leg
forward. He will then contract the abdominal muscles by
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“crunching” the trunk slightly forward. At the same time,
he will contract the thigh muscles of the forward leg.
The judge will survey the abdominal and thigh muscles,
and then conclude with the head-to-foot examination.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5442 on: July 05, 2006, 03:32:07 PM »
IFBB rules does it state the guy with the greatest taper wins , and the greatest X-frame and the greatest vascularity
Now this I do agree with. I dont believe X-Frame or vascularity is judged STRICTLY from a rulebook standard... However it does make a physique more impressive. I also believe too much of an X-Frame is detrimental, it makes the bodybuilder out of proportion.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5443 on: July 05, 2006, 03:33:37 PM »
lol you really can see his ass from the front. good post PUMPSTER

Whats funny is they post this pic and think he's the greatest lol something wrong when you can see a bodybuilders ass FROM THE FRONT .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5444 on: July 05, 2006, 03:54:02 PM »
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5445 on: July 05, 2006, 04:04:00 PM »
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you really can see his ass from the front. good post PUMPSTER

Thanks, I was looking for another excuse-why are you focusing on his ass-are you a faggola?

Yates looking relatively puny, ALONG WITH virtually no detail. Nice combo!  ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5446 on: July 05, 2006, 04:04:43 PM »
ND...hahahaha.  You copy and paste the criteria for judging and state this is why Dorian would win.  You admit in one post that politics determines who wins the Mr. Olympia....duh...1997 Dorian.  You are right, the way the judging goes, he could have beaten a 1998 Ronnie because of the BS that is the Mr. Olympia.  However, to state that just because Ronnie barely beat Flex by 3 points and Dorian dominated totally negates your earlier statement.  Dorian was the reigning Mr. Olympia.  He was the man after Haney left.  Thus, if he came into the show in anything like his 1992 condition, he was going to win.  Flex, meanwhile, did not show up in the condition he was in for the ASC.  Thus, Dorian wins.  Also, he outweighed Flex by 30 plus pounds.  Now Ronnie, overlooked definitely in 1997, was coming into the 1998 Olympia as a relative dark horse.   This is Flex's show to win; the media had been building him up as the successor to Yates.  Guess what, they overlooked Ronnie originally in the prejudging.  IFBB judging for you.  However, because Ronnie was so good, he eventually got his due.  Ronnie in 1998/1999/2001 ASC or 2003 would have killed any version of Yates.  Yates is not even playing in the same stadium.  The shot Pumpster shows clearly shows how much thicker and more vascular Ronnie ever was than Yates (and that was Yates at his alltime best).  Your points are moot.  Your logic skewed.  Your contradict yourself constantly.  You still don't address the question of what pro's you have seen or shows you have been to.  You deny videos that clearly show Ronnie's dominance.  You parrot others who state you have to see Dorian to believe his size.  Guess what ignorant fool, what do you think happens when people see Ronnie (they probably hide their kids as he is so large).  You have single handedly gone from being a very reasonable poster to a complete sham.  Your conclusions bear no weight.  You are definitely not as respected as you were before.  You truly are, as Hulkster as pointed out numerous times, a curmudgeon who steadfastly sticks to his points even when he has been proven wrong over and over again.  In that end, you aren't even worth replying to.  Hulkster, Pumpster, etc....why bother arguing with this clown.  He is of the same cloth as the Spaniards who stuck to their guns that the Earth was flat.  You could teleport of him to a show from another dimension where Ronnie hands Dorian his ass, and he would deny it exists.  It does not matter any more.  I think the board, as a whole, agrees who the better bodybuilder is. 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5447 on: July 05, 2006, 04:05:12 PM »
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01 Olympia where Ronnie lost the symmetry round & muscularity rounds to Cutler.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5448 on: July 05, 2006, 04:06:19 PM »
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you really can see his ass from the front. good post PUMPSTER

Since you guys are fixed on ass..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5449 on: July 05, 2006, 04:09:50 PM »
ND...hahahaha.  You copy and paste the criteria for judging and state this is why Dorian would win.  You admit in one post that politics determines who wins the Mr. Olympia....duh...1997 Dorian.  You are right, the way the judging goes, he could have beaten a 1998 Ronnie because of the BS that is the Mr. Olympia.  However, to state that just because Ronnie barely beat Flex by 3 points and Dorian dominated totally negates your earlier statement.  Dorian was the reigning Mr. Olympia.  He was the man after Haney left.  Thus, if he came into the show in anything like his 1992 condition, he was going to win.  Flex, meanwhile, did not show up in the condition he was in for the ASC.  Thus, Dorian wins.  Also, he outweighed Flex by 30 plus pounds.  Now Ronnie, overlooked definitely in 1997, was coming into the 1998 Olympia as a relative dark horse.   This is Flex's show to win; the media had been building him up as the successor to Yates.  Guess what, they overlooked Ronnie originally in the prejudging.  IFBB judging for you.  However, because Ronnie was so good, he eventually got his due.  Ronnie in 1998/1999/2001 ASC or 2003 would have killed any version of Yates.  Yates is not even playing in the same stadium.  The shot Pumpster shows clearly shows how much thicker and more vascular Ronnie ever was than Yates (and that was Yates at his alltime best).  Your points are moot.  Your logic skewed.  Your contradict yourself constantly.  You still don't address the question of what pro's you have seen or shows you have been to.  You deny videos that clearly show Ronnie's dominance.  You parrot others who state you have to see Dorian to believe his size.  Guess what ignorant fool, what do you think happens when people see Ronnie (they probably hide their kids as he is so large).  You have single handedly gone from being a very reasonable poster to a complete sham.  Your conclusions bear no weight.  You are definitely not as respected as you were before.  You truly are, as Hulkster as pointed out numerous times, a curmudgeon who steadfastly sticks to his points even when he has been proven wrong over and over again.  In that end, you aren't even worth replying to.  Hulkster, Pumpster, etc....why bother arguing with this clown.  He is of the same cloth as the Spaniards who stuck to their guns that the Earth was flat.  You could teleport of him to a show from another dimension where Ronnie hands Dorian his ass, and he would deny it exists.  It does not matter any more.  I think the board, as a whole, agrees who the better bodybuilder is. 


You go on tagents claiming I condtradict myself yet in all honesty I don't think you've followed these debates or you don't have fantastic comprehensions skill , you're all over the place and the lot of you keep typing I'm not even worth typing to yet you still do it lol this thread could have been one page but people like you who let your emotions lead your logic is why its 220 pages but I don't care thats what these places are for .