Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

again lets entertain Ronnie has a better chest it does nothing for him in the sidechest pose

if you would stop ignoring the pics, you would see that you could NOT be any more wrong:

[NarcissisticDeity]

Back Double Biceps

"Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance."

I highlighted in bold the parts where Ronnie beats Dorian.

No you highlighted in bold the parts where you THINK Ronnie beats Dorian.


Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.

triceps if anything are a push and so are the delts .

[Hulkster]

Back Double Biceps

Back Double Biceps

"Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thighand calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps,  and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance."

I bolded the parts where I think Ronnie beats Dorian

[NarcissisticDeity]

if you would stop ignoring the pics, you would see that you could NOT be any more wrong:

Please I've given an indepth assesment exactly why Dorian's side chest beats Ronnies and or course it fell on biased ears & eyes . WoW no big surprise lol

why does Dorian's side chest beat Ronnies? simple ( among other reasons ) muscular balance , density , bulk and conditioning .

[Hulkster]

ND, in 1993 Dorian's arms didn't look any better in comparsion to Ronnie



just so you know.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Back Double Biceps

I bolded the parts where I think Ronnie beats Dorian

Fantasy allows to think in such terms lol 

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, in 1993 Dorian's arms didn't look any better in comparsion to Ronnie


just so you know.

internet-fan-boy.  

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND: Dorian has better calves than Ronnie.

Among other things 

[Praetor Fenix]

Why even bother to draft responses anymore?

I spent countless hours writing out meticulous arguments only for them to be buried by an additional 100 pages of the same tired tripe.

It can't feel good to invest so many hours into writing responses that no outsider will ever read and the opposition will never truly consider.

This whole debacle actually saddens me.
Its such a wasted effort .. especially when there are so many better ways to spend one's time.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Why even bother to draft responses anymore?

I spent countless hours writing out meticulous arguments only for them to be buried by an additional 100 pages of the same tired tripe.

It can't feel good to invest so many hours into writing responses that no outsider will ever read and the opposition will never truly consider.

This whole debacle actually saddens me.
Its such a wasted effort .. especially when there are so many better ways to spend one's time.

Its redundant , hell it was redundant before I started this thread lol thats why I made it .

[Hulkster]

After 330 pages, only one thing is clear:

ND still has no clue.

[NarcissisticDeity]

After 330 pages, only one thing is clear:

ND still has no clue.

Oh I have a clue lol you're an internet-fan and a biased one at that. 

[NeoSeminole]

No you highlighted in bold the parts where you THINK Ronnie beats Dorian.

You must be delusional if you think 93 Dorian beats 03 Ronnie in back. Ronnie simply had too much mass for Dorian to handle. I know how you like to recite numbers for your arguments. Well, Ronnie was 30 lbs heavier than Dorian. How do you like 'em apples? There is no way in hell 93 Dorian beats 03 Ronnie in deltoids, biceps, triceps, traps, lats, glutes, and hamstrings. I will give Dorian teres, infraspinatus, and erector spinae b/c he had better conditioning.

[Hulkster]

ronnie 2003 vs. Ronnie 2001 AC.

Interesting..

[Necrosis]

nd, answer this question, seriously. who has better quads in terms of shape, size, cuts, serperation. seriously answer this. also, the same thing for hams. dorians lower body in total is nothing compared to ronnies. if you say dorian had better calves then ronnie had better glutes so it evens out.

[Hulkster]

nd, answer this question, seriously. who has better quads in terms of shape, size, cuts, serperation. seriously answer this. also, the same thing for hams. dorians lower body in total is nothing compared to ronnies. if you say dorian had better calves then ronnie had better glutes so it evens out.

ND thinks that Dorian's quads are fantastic up close, but turn to shit on camera..

Apparently, he also thinks that that Ronnie's quads are unaffected by the lense

ND really has no clue


funny how even the poses where Dorian is supposed to kill Ronnie are in actual fact pretty damn close..

[Hulkster]

he also thinks that arms and legs are not "key" areas.

Oh well, every novice has to start somewhere

[NeoSeminole]

Please I've given an indepth assesment exactly why Dorian's side chest beats Ronnies and or course it fell on biased ears & eyes.

Ronnie says "quit smoking dat crack"

[suckmymuscle]

...and I'm not going to. This isn't some sort of controversial contention that is currently debated in academia. It is a clear fact and it has been established for centuries.

You are out of your f*cking mind! I'm supposed to ask my professors, years after I have graduated, to remove their diplomas from the frame in order to scan them, post them as evidence for some f*cking anonymous loser on the internet who needs confirmation that a centuries-old fact is actually true? Go f*ck yourself.

If this was a recent discovery, or something that was still under formulation, then I would feel obliged to provide references and documentation. In this case, the answer is old and clear and doesn't require further documentation.

Who do you think you are? Seriously? You are a nobody!
On what grounds will you get them dismissed? Tell the dean that the rhomboids are visible??
You might as well write the physics department too and tell them that gravity is a myth.
After all, I'm sure your father, who is a quantum physicist, has achieved the gift of levitation.

First off, even if you had a valid point in the first place, you aren't an authority in academia.
Any complaint you would file would be readily dismissed, particularly concerning something this stupid and erroneous. Millions of human dissections have taken place over the course of centuries. The results are filed in countless journals, periodicals, logs, and archives around the world.

Nope. The rhomboids are not visible.

...and you haven't posted shit for evidence. You put up a picture of the back-double biceps.
Circle in red where you see the rhomboids dumb-ass. Merely posting a picture doesn't prove shit, and you know it doesn't.

As I've said before, and I'll say it again, you have mistaken the infraspinatus for the rhomboids.
... or you are just arguing against the obvious for the sheer sake of remaining an ignorant prick.

You just can't grasp the fact that I have worked on a cadaver, received instruction from 2 nationally - reknowned Ph.D.'s in laboratory and lecture, and reviewed an extensive archive of photographs, illustrations, and depictions in textbooks and periodicals written by a collaboration of the world's leading authorities in anatomy & physiology, can you?

There is nothing to debate here suckmymuscle. Give it up. You're a liar and you have no ethos.

Bodybuilders are Homo sapiens, no?

Bodybuilders have larger muscles with better definition. Thats it.
It still doesn't change the fact that the trapezius covers the rhomboids.
Bodybuilders have highly developed rhomboids of course.
They are merely hidden under an even more massive muscle - the trapezius.
Case closed.

If anything, the rhomboids would be more difficult to locate on a professional bodybuilder (if the skin was removed) since the trapezius, infraspinatus, and latissimus dorsi are so insanely massive that they would obscure it entirely, even with the skin completely removed.

You've lost my respect entirely.
You aren't intelligent, you merely use a thesaurus under the pretense that you have a vocabulary. You refuse to admit when you are wrong, even when at first I politely informed you that you were mistaken. You are racist, stubborn, delusional, & two-faced.
You have no redeeming qualities or social graces whatsoever. You're a waste of life. Seriously.

Initially, you criticized me for playing Starcraft. No problem.
Then out of the blue, you now think I'm black, or I quote, a "wigger" since I support Coleman and I recognize that bodybuilding is marketed to a primarily white audience.

You PM members with violent threats, you wish terminal illness on productive members of society who you don't even know, and in my case, write a two-faced request for a truce that you set no terms for and violated in a matter of hours.

Find me one f*cking science-fiction fan who plays a 10year-old real-time-strategy computer game who is African-American or a "wigger"!? You're so f*cking clueless. I never came off with pretense or pretended to be something I'm not (as you frequently do). You try to shift reality so that it complies with your argument, and its a f*cking joke.

  Ok, dude. Quote from Peter McGough, in his review of the 1997 Olympia, when talking about Dorian(FLEX, December issue, 1997):

  "Yates was 266 lbs during pre-judging, the heaviest he's ever been for a contest. By the night show, he ballooned to 274 lbs. The added weight translated into greater fullness in his back, quads and pectorals. The minus was his midsecion, of which more latter. His back was at the best I've ever seen it: thick, full and the separations between his latissimus, teres major and rhomboids were clearly visible."(continues)

  The rhomboids are visible, even if only a portion of it. The muscular stretch which occurs when doing the back double biceps pose makes part of it become visible. You lose. As for me not wanting to recognize a mistake, I can't do that if there's no mistake to recognize. On one of my posts, when talking about the 2002 Olympia, I mentioned Jay Cutler. you called me out, saying that he didn't compete that year. I recognized my mistake and apologized for confusing the 2001 Olympia with the one of the following year. So, I have no probles apologiing for mistakes I make. As for me being loser, I'm laughing at it and typing this on the new Sony Vayo I just purchased. Oh, and I watched this year's U.S Open on my new plasma T.V. So, I'm doing pretty well; thank you very much. And it is not me who has, as an avatar, the picture of a character from Starcraft. That's pretty pathetic.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[IceCold]

Calves have no effect on upper body shots, and has been acknowledged before, to be honest they don't have the same value in BB as arms; not even close. Arms are amonsgst the "show" muscles, everyone knows it and all the BB legends save for Haney & Yates had great arms. Show muscles are what people remember, not someone's calves!

You can't be serious...arms are the biggest factor in BB shows. What cave are you living in? All the great BB legends from Scott to Oliva to Schwarzenegger to Coleman had great arms, period.


Yates' doing a poor job of "hiding" the smallish, unbalanced and impressive arms here, as usual..completely the opposite of your theory.

i dont know what gave you the idea that i think that calves are more important than arms.  they clearly arent. everyone knows that. 

and i also said that yates' arms look good in the side chest pose and has the best side tri pose .  thanks for posting a pic of his double bi.

this isnt a comparison of ronnie's arms vs. dorian's arms.  ronnie wins.  easily.  even before yates torn his bi, ronnie still had better arms.  forarms?  yates' are better, but who really cares.  not that important.

also, coleman's tri's look better than yates in a double bi shot.  however, in the side tri pose, yates' tri's are much better. 

hulkster, show me a pic, any pic, where coleman's tris are remotely close to this.  as well as the overall conditioning.





its the total package that counts and that's why yates won against, flex (some could argue has better arms than ronnie. at least he has a full bicep), kevin and his tris demolish ronnie, paul and his arms are better than ronnie's.  anyone else you want me to mention?  yates not only beat them, but domianted them. 

[suckmymuscle]

Rear lat spread Yates? Have you looked at any of the pics you idiot? It's basically a draw that comes down to taste, certainly not Yates out in front.

  But Dorian does have a better rer lat spread. Only in his 2003 version can Coleman compete with Dorian when it comes to lat width: in his lighter versions, Ronnie's lat are lacking both in width and thickness when compared to The Yates. For all of his amazing width and thickness, in 2003, Ronnie was severely lacking in detail, especially in the upper back. I dare you to come of with Ronnie pics, from 1998/9, where his rear lat spread looks as wide and dry as this...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

its the total package that counts and that's why yates won against, flex (some could argue has better arms than ronnie. at least he has a full bicep), kevin and his tris demolish ronnie, paul and his arms are better than ronnie's.  anyone else you want me to mention?  yates not only beat them, but domianted them.

None of the guys you mentioned had a lot of standout bodyparts like Ronnie. Flex, Kevin, and Paul may have had better arms than Ronnie, but Ronnie also has great shoulders, chest, back, and legs. Dorian dominated b/c he never competed against a prime Ronnie.

[NeoSeminole]

But Dorian does have a better rer lat spread. Only in his 2003 version can Coleman compete with Dorian when it comes to lat width: in his lighter versions, Ronnie's lat are lacking both in width and thickness when compared to The Yates. For all of his amazing width and thickness, in 2003, Ronnie was severely lacking in detail, especially in the upper back. I dare you to come of with Ronnie pics, from 1998/9, where his rear lat spread looks as wide and dry as this.

You posted shots of Dorian from his later years when he had more size and then restrict us to only use pics of Ronnie from 98/99? Wow, that's fair.



I dare you to come up with pics of Dorian from 92/93 where his rear lat spread looks this good.

[IceCold]

yates back is bigger with lower lats.

ronnie's tris look better, but dorian's aint that far off.

hams - check on the legs that are flexed.  look even to me.  yates isnt flexing his right leg.

glutes-who cares

calves, no need to even mention.

dorian wins, despite being outweighed. 

ronnie has lost detail, seperation, and hardness as his bodyweight increased.  his back looked better 98/99.

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie beats that rear lat spread of Dorian. Ronnie has visible separation between his traps and lats. You can actually see where his traps insert. Dorian's traps seem to blend into his lats. Ronnie also has better arms, glutes, quad sweep, and hamstrings. Even his lower back looks more crisp.