Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

nd nd nd....

cmon now.... do you really mean to tell me you looked at those 99 pics of ronnie and say dorian is better....
man please.... dorian had a huge torso and tiny arms.... and its not like his torso was a good torso from the front like nasser...
so you're tellin me... that you would rather look like dorian... to flex wheeler ..or ronnie... or dillet.... or francios
man please... havng an opnion on something doesnt mean it is right..
they way your coming across its like you're lookin at a square and saying in my opinion... its a circle..
ronnie and dorian are not even close....
DORIAN NEEDs to be compared to his people like fux....
i really admire hulkster.. because i would have dropped this argument... TIME ago... because there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever....
DORIAN JUSt LOOKS LIKE A GOOD CONDITIONED FUX....

You have a point , its not even close , Dorian was in another leauge and Ronnie was never good enough to come close to him even at his worse !! and Ronnie looked better at the 1998 Olympia than he did in 1999

And its NOT who I would rather look like , I would rather look like Steve Reeves than any of the forementioned but purely from a Coleman vs Yates , debate if they meet at their respect primes , Dorian would beat him just as easily as he did in 94/95/96/97

And you don't think Dorian should have won with a torn bicep , yet you think Levrone should win with a torn pec? and Nasser & Dillet with no back? Coleman with no calves? don't be hypocritical

And who says my opinions right? my opinion means nothing more than yours or Hulksters , I'm just an arm-chair quaterback giving my 2 pennies , however some things are not opinion , some are facts , like a Dorian with a torn/bicep/tricep/quad beat Ronnie Coleman on seven different occasions , like Dorian only lost twice as a Pro and Ronnie 35 times , and it took Dorian 2 tries to win the Olympia and it took Ronnie 7 years to do the same , Dorian retired undefeated and Ronnie lost the Show of Strenght in 2002 while he was Mr Olympia , Dorian faces a higher quality of competitors than Ronnie , Doian ( if I'm not mistaken ) has recieved straight firsts in all of his Olympia wins and Ronnie has only done that 3 times , Ronnie has envolved in more close calls , 98 he won by just 3 points !! 01 he only " won " by 4 points and 02 he won by 9 points , and 04 he only won by just 3 points , that means he came close to losing on a few occasions , and I wont mention the Challenge Round !! and again you're right its not even close , the closest Ronnie ever came to Dorian in an Olympia was 6th place in 1996 lol not close at all .

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Fact: Ronnie 8 sandows, Dorian 6 sandows.

Enjoy

[NarcissisticDeity]

Fact: Ronnie 8 sandows, Dorian 6 sandows.

Enjoy

Fact Ronnie only became Mr Olympia because Dorian retired 

[mesmorph78]

nice try ND....
but have you ever heard me say that levrone should win with a torn pec???

also by your way of thnking... ie... should coleman win with bad calves...or dillet with no back

then nobody should win any contests... because all bb have weakness.. so clearly that point is moot...

ok lets look at it...
i think the bb with the best genetics.. and least weaknesses should win... the biggest bb with an aestehic shape...
apart from back what does dorian beat.. shawn levrone...dillet...nasse r on...
answer that question.... actually i can... nothing else..
then ask me what coleman beats these guys on... and i will answer.... in an unbiased fashion...
i keep sayin this but i think francios owns yates..... strydon... deymayo...
way better white bb's
dorian has a ugly physique.... can you not see that... awful

[nicorulez]

ND, you Dorian nuthugger.  Admit, you fantasize about the dude at night.  Who elso but a true fanatic would continue to post three to four paragraph length responses to the same thread.  I am at work and between patients; this shit cracks me up.  You and Hulkster have been carrying on about this for over a year.  Proof, Dorian had a disgusting shape.  He never claimed to be aesthetic.  To even argue that is riduculous.  His taper was crap.  Compared to Haney or Coleman, his chest to waist differential was not as impressive.  Nobody's taper was more impressive than Brian Buchanon, but he had no legs.  Dorian won because bb is a status quo.  He looked great in 1993 and deserved to win; no comparison.  However, he deteriorated continually (except for exceptional conditioning in 1995 but he only had one arm) thereafter.  He won because reigning Mr. Olympia's don't lose.  Don't give me this shit about his winning percentage.  The dude went to bat 17 times only.  If he had competed more against Haney or even Benaziza before he died, he would have lost plenty.  He got gifts in the Mr. Olympia his last couple of years.  In 1994, he looked horrible.  Give me a break, trying to state his condition of 1997 was superior to an obviously smaller Coleman is giving credit to the IFBB judges.  Please, those guys have the integrity when judging comparable to an Iranian nuclear self-inspection committee.

[kiwiol]

I like how all the Coleman nut huggers say " Well Dorian beat Ronnie when he wasn't in his prime " big deal Dorian wasn't in his either   the only thing Coleman would bring new to the tabe is conditioning and thats something Dorian wrote the book one .

You are actually wrong here ND. You keep saying over and over that Ronnie in the 1996 Mr O (where he was beaten by Doz) weighed about 250, same as his 2001 Arnold Classic winning form. The difference wasn't just the conditioning, BUT ALSO HOW MUCH FULLER HE WAS. I have read the FLEX and other mags' 2001 Arnold Classic reports (and people's opinion of it subsequently) and the unanimous verdict is that while Ronnie weighed about 249, he LOOKED 270+. That rear double bi pic from the 1996 Mr O of Dorian and Ronnie, where Ronnie is about 250 with subpar (compared to Doz, against whom he still holds his own) conditioning can't be taken as evidence to say Doz looks better, coz Ronnie had a much better conditioning and looked 20 lbs heavier in his 2001 Arnold Classic form.

Going by your own logic ND, Dorian in 1993 would get beaten by Lee Haney in his 1991 form. Of course, here you are going to say that Doz is better and he'd win. BTW, IMO, Ronnie at his best beats Dorian at his best (and I'm Dorian's biggest fan) regardless of what anyone thinks, but I do like the arguments that come up here - no other place or people with whom I can discuss Bodybuilding

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Fact Ronnie only became Mr Olympia because Dorian retired 

Thats not a fact. Its your fantasy.

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Dorian showing ronnie how to let it hang on stage. Oh wait he's just exhaling.
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[pumpster]

Fact Ronnie only became Mr Olympia because Dorian retired

No coincidence that Yates just happened to retire as Ron was coming up. 

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[freeagain]

No coincidence that Yates just happened to retire as Ron was coming up. 

you mean he retired due to a catalogue of injurys after handin ronnie his ass a dozen times ?  

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Why does he insist on striking this pose?
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[pumpster]

you mean he retired due to a catalogue of injurys after handin ronnie his ass a dozen times ?

Ya he clobbered Ron with shots like these - nothing to do with politics..

[NarcissisticDeity]

You are actually wrong here ND. You keep saying over and over that Ronnie in the 1996 Mr O (where he was beaten by Doz) weighed about 250, same as his 2001 Arnold Classic winning form. The difference wasn't just the conditioning, BUT ALSO HOW MUCH FULLER HE WAS. I have read the FLEX and other mags' 2001 Arnold Classic reports (and people's opinion of it subsequently) and the unanimous verdict is that while Ronnie weighed about 249, he LOOKED 270+. That rear double bi pic from the 1996 Mr O of Dorian and Ronnie, where Ronnie is about 250 with subpar (compared to Doz, against whom he still holds his own) conditioning can't be taken as evidence to say Doz looks better, coz Ronnie had a much better conditioning and looked 20 lbs heavier in his 2001 Arnold Classic form.

Going by your own logic ND, Dorian in 1993 would get beaten by Lee Haney in his 1991 form. Of course, here you are going to say that Doz is better and he'd win. BTW, IMO, Ronnie at his best beats Dorian at his best (and I'm Dorian's biggest fan) regardless of what anyone thinks, but I do like the arguments that come up here - no other place or people with whom I can discuss Bodybuilding

I've said the only thing Ronnie was missing in 96/97 was conditioning , I've said that would be the only new item he brought to the table , and with improved conditioning comes an approved appearnce hence he looked sharp & full but he was still 249lbs he was 250lbs in 1996 he wasn't as sharp same in 1997 and in 1998 he started working with Chad and his conditioning improved , he was able to help Ronnie rid the water in his problamatic glutes & hams  , and you brought up a great point he looked much bigger than his 249lbs but he wasn't and using that logic Dorian weighed 257lbs in 1993 so he appeared 300lbs   but I digress its all moot because the only new thing Ronnie would bring to the table is imrpoved conditioning and that wouldn't be enough to beat  a prime opperating Dorian Yates , Ronnie had all the advantages in the world when he competed agaisnt Dorian , like people have said , better taper , smaller waist , better arms , legs , blah , blah , blah , and he still-fucking-lost agaisnt a Dorian with a torn/bicep/tricep/quad and a giant waist ( 1997 ) and you think for one moment with improved conditioning and the appearence of being 280lbs he is going to beat a Dorian who has NO tears and conditioning on par at the least and perhaps being better ? no chance in hell , sorry and I can say this because I'm not Dorian's biggest fan  

[pumpster]

No taper . seriously how can you honestly say he has no taper? now I'll admit Ronnie does have an edge on taper , but for you to say he has no taper is momumentally stupid .

The "taper's" partially due to the girdle he's wearing-looks like he can hardly breathe LOL

[kiwiol]

I've said the only thing Ronnie was missing in 96/97 was conditioning , I've said that would be the only new item he brought to the table , and with improved conditioning comes an approved appearnce hence he looked sharp & full but he was still 249lbs he was 250lbs in 1996 he wasn't as sharp same in 1997 and in 1998 he started working with Chad and his conditioning improved , he was able to help Ronnie rid the water in his problamatic glutes & hams  , and you brought up a great point he looked much bigger than his 249lbs but he wasn't and using that logic Dorian weighed 257lbs in 1993 so he appeared 300lbs   but I digress its all moot because the only new thing Ronnie would bring to the table is imrpoved conditioning and that wouldn't be enough to beat  a prime opperating Dorian Yates , Ronnie had all the advantages in the world when he competed agaisnt Dorian , like people have said , better taper , smaller waist , better arms , legs , blah , blah , blah , and he still-fucking-lost agaisnt a Dorian with a torn/bicep/tricep/quad and a giant waist ( 1997 ) and you think for one moment with improved conditioning and the appearence of being 280lbs he is going to beat a Dorian who has NO tears and conditioning on par at the least and perhaps being better ? no chance in hell , sorry and I can say this because I'm not Dorian's biggest fan  

Actually, fullness can make a lot of difference in how someone looks. Case in point, look at Dorian at the 1995 and the 1996 Mr.O - he was actually heavier in 1996, but some of his bodyparts (like his delts and legs) looked way smaller in 1996 compared to 95. Now, I am NOT saying that everytime an athlete competes at a certain bodyweight, they actually look 20 lbs or so heavier - they don't. Some guys look what they weigh (like Shawn, Kevin etc). But some guys, esp Ronnie and Flex do look a LOT bigger when they come in full (maybe it's a genetic thing).

Look at Flex in the 1999 Mr.O. He was only about 7 or 8 lbs more than 1998, but he (at 242) was so full, that he looked close to 260. The same thing happened to him in the 1998 Arnold Classic. Read the report and you'll see how he himself said that he was so full that he didnt get dwarfed by Nasser (who was 280). My point is that Ronnie in the 2001 Arnold Classic weighed the same in 1996, but was much, much, much bigger (an illusion caused by his fullness) and was much better conditioned. And I dont think that fullness is dependent on conditioning, since there are times when someone looks really full, but holds water (meaning bad conditioning) - case in point, look at Kevin Levrone in his 96 Arnold Classic form where he was huge, but holding a lot of water (just like Ronnie in the 2001 Mr O).

To highlight what I'm saying even more, look at Ronnie's arms in the 2002 Mr. O and the 2001 Arnold Classic - he was at the same bodyweight, but his arms in the Arnold Classic look at least 2' bigger ! So, my point is that if in the 1996 Mr O, if Ronnie had competed in his 2001 Arnold Classic form, he would have handed Dorian's ass to him 

[LuciusFox]

The "taper's" partially due to the girdle he's wearing-looks like he can hardly breathe LOL

 Hahahahaha....exactly. Let's not ignore the fact that his gut is being held in

[nicorulez]

Kiwiol, stop bothering.  ND will never submit in his adoration for Dorian.  Please, not his biggest fan.  You and Sucky are waiting in line to feel the man up.  Your assertions are bordering on the ludicrous ND, give it up.  Are you saying since Dorian lost to Haney in 1991 he would have never beat him.  I think a 1993 Dorian would have beaten Haney from 1991, but according to you it would not happen.  However, Ronnie has gotten a lot better than when he first turned pro.  Comparing Ronnie of today to 1994/1995 when that back double bi pic is from is laughable.  BTW, Dorian put on 15 pounds from 1991 to 1993, who's to say Haney wouldn't have seen the writing on the wall and shown up at 260+ with the same conditioning.  Your posts are getting laughable.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Kiwiol, stop bothering.  ND will never submit in his adoration for Dorian.  Please, not his biggest fan.  You and Sucky are waiting in line to feel the man up.  Your assertions are bordering on the ludicrous ND, give it up.  Are you saying since Dorian lost to Haney in 1991 he would have never beat him.  I think a 1993 Dorian would have beaten Haney from 1991, but according to you it would not happen.  However, Ronnie has gotten a lot better than when he first turned pro.  Comparing Ronnie of today to 1994/1995 when that back double bi pic is from is laughable.  BTW, Dorian put on 15 pounds from 1991 to 1993, who's to say Haney wouldn't have seen the writing on the wall and shown up at 260+ with the same conditioning.  Your posts are getting laughable.

You get to emotional when you post, you really do lol I don't get way you get so wrapped up in these opinions , now I know why wars start 

[NarcissisticDeity]

The "taper's" partially due to the girdle he's wearing-looks like he can hardly breathe LOL

Why is it most of the others guy are trying to articulate their opinions and all you can do is comment on pictures? either get in the game or sit on the bench , if you have anything of value to add lets hear it if not please get quiet before I own your dumb ass again like in the other thread .

[kiwiol]

You get to emotional when you post, you really do lol I don't get way you get so wrapped up in these opinions , now I know why wars start 

Agree with that LOL. Nico, what's up with saying ND is getting ready to fee Dorian up mate LOL, I disagree with ND, but I like how he sticks to criticising just the physique and not disrespect / trash bodybuilders calling them druggies etc. ND, quit hanging on Dorian's nut (JOKE  ) and come join the dark side - Once you go black, you never go back

[buffbodz]

He called Dorian the most overated bodybuilder of all time lol his logic is severly impaired lol so what he says is mixed with feeling of love which tends to cloud judgement !!

And feel free to steal all my scans , just give credit lol I just scanned a ton more , like this one . ( ironic neither are together anymore )

No doubt.  Ronnie's girl wins hands down.

[Rome]

....count the Sandows and this dumb ass argument is OVA!!!
---------------BIG RONNIE COLEMAN is the winner!

[brian36]

It's not even close.  Ronnie wins by a mile.

[The Ugly]

Never in the field of human discourse was so much blown by so many ... so f u.