Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pumpster]

hey, Dorian was a great great champion and we should respect him.

Definitely, along with Dickerson & Columbu. 

[phyxsius]

Shawn has better muscle quality in that shot

[dearth]

I find it ironic that you are telling the entire rest of the board (and probably the entire bodybuilding community) to get serious and come back down to earth.

You are very, very alone in your assertions.

admit bias and admit that once you overcome your hatred Ronnie is far better than the walk-in freezer ..

I find it ironic that you don't admit to using the following logic

# of ronnie fans > # of dorian fans, on this thread = hulkster "winning"

.......yet you use it in all your posts

[NarcissisticDeity]

Shawn has better muscle quality in that shot

Oh yes thats it 

[kiwiol]

Hey all you bastards calling Dorian a fridge, construction worker etc, give it a break The man won the Mr Olympia 6 times against the highest quality competition and won 2 of those under extremely adverse conditions. His physique is just herculean and screams of raw strength and power. It's one thing to defend Ronnie and argue/defend his campaign against Dorian, but calling Dorian names is uncalled for. IMO, no other bodybuilder deserves more respect than Doz does, given what he achieved with his structure (not that I think it's second grade to anyone in comparison).

Most people consider the apollonian physiques of Shawn or Bob paris to be the ideal look. But there are a handful of people (myself included) who do like herculean physiques (in a non-gay way ). And if you guys want to see a big guy with a bad shape, I present guys like Heiko, Art Atwood, Greg Kovacs etc. While dorian may not have had the most beautiful (depending on the beholder) lines, his physique was nothing short of incredible - He set the standards with a lot of mandatory and transition poses and others IMO.

BTW, for the record, I do think Ronnie at his best would destroy Dorian. Of course, this is just assumption / speculation, but man, that would have been one hell of a battle to behold - seeing them go against each other at their respective bests  .

[FREAKgeek]

Dorian's back is the best. It's not a good angle between everyone but you can still tell he has the best thickness and dryness here.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hey all you bastards calling Dorian a fridge, construction worker etc, give it a break The man won the Mr Olympia 6 times against the highest quality competition and won 2 of those under extremely adverse conditions. His physique is just herculean and screams of raw strength and power. It's one thing to defend Ronnie and argue/defend his campaign against Dorian, but calling Dorian names is uncalled for. IMO, no other bodybuilder deserves more respect than Doz does, given what he achieved with his structure (not that I think it's second grade to anyone in comparison).

Most people consider the apollonian physiques of Shawn or Bob paris to be the ideal look. But there are a handful of people (myself included) who do like herculean physiques (in a non-gay way ). And if you guys want to see a big guy with a bad shape, I present guys like Heiko, Art Atwood, Greg Kovacs etc. While dorian may not have had the most beautiful (depending on the beholder) lines, his physique was nothing short of incredible - He set the standards with a lot of mandatory and transition poses and others IMO.

BTW, for the record, I do think Ronnie at his best would destroy Dorian. Of course, this is just assumption / speculation, but man, that would have been one hell of a battle to behold - seeing them go against each other at their respective bests  .

Great post !!

[kiwiol]

how convenient that you didn't post the whole pic eh?
showing shawn ray..

Hulkster I'm with you when it comes to saying Ronnie would destroy Dorian (except calling Doz names), but come on mate - there is NO WAY IN HELL that shawn looks better than Dorian in that shot (or any other for that matter). If in doubt see the video - I have seen it (and others showing Doz and Shawn comparing poses in the compulsaries) millions of times and between the two of them, it's night and day. Even Kevin, who is so much bigger than Shawn, gets blown out of the water when trading poses with Doz.

[kiwiol]

Great post !!

Thanks ND. Does this mean you agree with me particularly where I say " I do think Ronnie at his best would destroy Dorian"?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Thanks ND. Does this mean you agree with me particularly where I say " I do think Dorian at his best would destroy Ronnie"?

I agree with you 100% !!

[kiwiol]

I agree with you 100% !!

Very funny LMAO

[phyxsius]

I agree with you 100% !!

You changed the words ND..

[LuciusFox]

Hey all you bastards calling Dorian a fridge, construction worker etc, give it a break The man won the Mr Olympia 6 times against the highest quality competition and won 2 of those under extremely adverse conditions. His physique is just herculean and screams of raw strength and power. It's one thing to defend Ronnie and argue/defend his campaign against Dorian, but calling Dorian names is uncalled for. IMO, no other bodybuilder deserves more respect than Doz does, given what he achieved with his structure (not that I think it's second grade to anyone in comparison).

Most people consider the apollonian physiques of Shawn or Bob paris to be the ideal look. But there are a handful of people (myself included) who do like herculean physiques (in a non-gay way ). And if you guys want to see a big guy with a bad shape, I present guys like Heiko, Art Atwood, Greg Kovacs etc. While dorian may not have had the most beautiful (depending on the beholder) lines, his physique was nothing short of incredible - He set the standards with a lot of mandatory and transition poses and others IMO.

BTW, for the record, I do think Ronnie at his best would destroy Dorian. Of course, this is just assumption / speculation, but man, that would have been one hell of a battle to behold - seeing them go against each other at their respective bests  .

  Dorian did have a powerful looking physique, but working in construction tends to make anyone stronger.

[kiwiol]

  Dorian did have a powerful looking physique, but working in construction tends to make anyone stronger.

Very funny Lucius. I like you, so I'm going to overlook this flaw in you where you put down Dorian like that. In all honesty, I think you wouldn't be so disrespectful towards him if you knew what a great guy he was / is - never trash talked; never mouthed off saying he was going to do this and that and then, fall flat on his face; always respected other pros - retired or active; Did, rather than just talk, what he said he was going to do; being humble to a fault; not ruining his health (training injuries are different - anyone can incur those) or losing his money; staying focused with laser like intensity/focus........ I could go on and on and on. You are entitled to your view of his physique, but you don't have to disrespect him personally in the process of critiquing his physique - look at ND critiquing Ronnie if you need an example

[LuciusFox]

Very funny Lucius. I like you, so I'm going to overlook this flaw in you where you put down Dorian like that. In all honesty, I think you wouldn't be so disrespectful towards him if you knew what a great guy he was / is - never trash talked; never mouthed off saying he was going to do this and that and then, fall flat on his face; always respected other pros - retired or active; Did, rather than just talk, what he said he was going to do; being humble to a fault; not ruining his health (training injuries are different - anyone can incur those) or losing his money; staying focused with laser like intensity/focus........ I could go on and on and on. You are entitled to your view of his physique, but you don't have to disrespect him personally in the process of critiquing his physique - look at ND critiquing Ronnie if you need an example

 I actually do respect Dorian a great deal. I think he is the epitome of a bodybuilder. He was the quintessential competitor and had one of history's greatest physiques. Don't take me too seriously with my comments. I know that he owns a supplement company and is not employed as a bricklayer, construction worker or refrigerator

[pumpster]

Lucius loves barrel-chested BBs with no arms like Columbu & Yates that make a mockery of BB's integrity.  .

Yates and great do not belong in the same sentence. He was never Schwarzenegger, never Sergio and never Coleman.

[kiwiol]

I actually do respect Dorian a great deal. I think he is the epitome of a bodybuilder. He was the quintessential competitor and had one of history's greatest physiques. Don't take me too seriously with my comments. I know that he owns a supplement company and is not employed as a bricklayer, construction worker or refrigerator

Attaboy - you just confirmed my suspicion of you. I would rather there are guys like you who make light of the situation through mild insults and such, rather than a lot of the assholes here most (if not all) of whose posts of bodybuilding and bodybuilders just scream of hatred and contempt (which makes you wonder what they are doing here in the first place). If I wasn't an atheist, I would be in Team Jesus now

[LuciusFox]

Lucius loves barrel-chested BBs with no arms like Columbu & Yates. Yates and great do not belong in the same sentence.

 His work ethic and hardness were excellent. His physique was good enough to beat many people's, but I prefer Ronnie. He has a better physique.

[LuciusFox]

Attaboy - you just confirmed my suspicion of you. I would rather there are guys like you who make light of the situation through mild insults and such, rather than a lot of the assholes here most (if not all of) whose posts of bodybuilding and bodybuilders just scream of hatred and contempt (which makes you wonder what they are doing here in the first place). If I wasn't an atheist, I would be in Team Jesus now

 I'm an atheist and I'm in Team Jesus anyway

[kiwiol]

Yates and great do not belong in the same sentence.

You are right, because it would be a redundancy, as would be having Yates and Heroic in the same sentence

[nicorulez]

Kiwiol, I admitted it many times that Yates in 1992/1993 was amazing.  He had a good taper and excellent size.  I just go sick of ND and his continual bashing of Ronnie's gut, which more than apparent on Yates.  I just find it amazing that ND criticizes Coleman but loves Yates.  Both had similar strengths and flaws (GH gut).  However, Ronnie has taken the torch from Dorian and taken the size game to whole different level.  Only dude who could possibly come in bigger than Coleman is Ruhl but his lines are suspect.  Dorian was and is a great champion.  However, in his later years he looked very average and not Olympian.  The same can be said of Coleman in 2001/2002.  I have stated that also.  Overall, Ronnie at his best is superior.  However, Dorian is one of the top three bb in the lost twenty years (Coleman, Haney and Yates).

[Hulkster]

Its ironic that ND is critical of us bashing dorian when he bashes Ronnie so bad he says crazy things like Dorian has better arms or Arnold has better quads.

This thread has been 23 pages of mostly people trying to talk sense into ND to realize how good Ronnie was compared to Dorian.

And he is saying that we are disrepecting Dorian.

What about the bizarre things he says about Coleman's physique.

 

[suckmymuscle]

Kiwiol, stop bothering.  ND will never submit in his adoration for Dorian.  Please, not his biggest fan.  You and Sucky are waiting in line to feel the man up.  Your assertions are bordering on the ludicrous ND, give it up.  Are you saying since Dorian lost to Haney in 1991 he would have never beat him.  I think a 1993 Dorian would have beaten Haney from 1991, but according to you it would not happen.  However, Ronnie has gotten a lot better than when he first turned pro.  Comparing Ronnie of today to 1994/1995 when that back double bi pic is from is laughable.  BTW, Dorian put on 15 pounds from 1991 to 1993, who's to say Haney wouldn't have seen the writing on the wall and shown up at 260+ with the same conditioning.  Your posts are getting laughable.

  Nicolodean, you childish clown, the only reason why you don't like Dorian is because he's White. You're a Latino racist. Unlike me, who am not a racist and consider Oliva the greatest bodybuilder ever and would choose the 1988 version of Haney over Yates(incredible muscle fullness, beautiful lines, perfect V-taper and skeletal structure). It just so happens that, when it comes to Ronnie vs Dorian, I think Dorian is better. I don't like Coleman's physique. You don't like Dorian because he's a White guy. C'mon, admit it! You don't like any White bodybuilders.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

  To end this debateonce and for all, the best of the best, featuring Dorian's preter-Human density and dryness, the way he looks so hard even when he weights over 250 lbs, while standing 5'10 1/2 tall.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[phyxsius]

Dorian and Ronnie are great champions. There shouldn't be topic of who's better than who. The standards have change between the era of these 2 champions. Dorian beat a lot of top quality guys and so is Ronnie.

Each has his own strength and flaws, no point trying to put 2 eras into one because it ain't gonna happened..

So put your crack pipe down and move on.