Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[The Showstoppa]

translation - "I'm a ronnie supporter, and any pose that makes him look bad sucks."

Translation - I am skinny and can do a vacuum so therefore I think it's relevant to bodybuilding somehow

[LuciusFox]

Translation - I am skinny and can do a vacuum so therefore I think it's relevant to bodybuilding somehow

  Hahahahahaha....he's probably skinnier than me

[natural al]

Translation - I am skinny and can do a vacuum so therefore I think it's relevant to bodybuilding somehow

maybe but it's probably more like "I can hit a vacuum pose so my insides are not boated and ready to explode because of all the GH I'm doing"

[pumpster]

Haney's torso was gigantic and his arms were not small, they were over 20" at least.  The problem was that his waist was so small and his shoulders so wide that the illusion that he produced made his arms look weak.  Ronnie has better arms, fine.  No problem there but Ronnie has never had the structure that haney had.  Look at pics of ronnie when he was starting out, back when he could hit a vacume pose while doing a front double bi, he's no where near as impressive as lee was. Lee's legs were "good" not great.  They did nothing to detract from his body.  Ronnie didn't start having great legs until he started puttin on massive weight and at that point it was bye-bye nice slim waist, hello gh gut. 
Since you know so much, show me a pro who has a nice small waist like Haney had, who can do a vacume pose, with the incredibly wide shoulders lee had, at lee's height that had arms that matched his torso.

Nice set of rationalizations that make no sense. Serious imbalances that a small waist doesn't negate. Whatever his arms were, they were nowhere big enough, nor were the chicken legs.

[Hulkster]

How the f**k did this thread went on for 27 pages 

this is how Chuck Norris would do a truce.

[WOOO]

uh huh, sure it all makes sense now....

[LuciusFox]

Nice set of rationalizations that make no sense. Serious imbalances that a small waist doesn't negate. Whatever his arms were, they were nowhere big enough, nor were the chicken legs.

  Narcissistic Deity has a soft spot for the arm-less

[The Ugly]

Well the intention of this tread was to end this , but that was taken out of my hands 

You have no response control, I keep forgetting. Be the bigger man STILL.

[natural al]

Nice set of rationalizations that make no sense. Serious imbalances that a small waist doesn't negate. Whatever his arms were, they were nowhere big enough, nor were the chicken legs.

didn't read or you chose not to acknowledge the rest of the post especially where I talked about haneys legs in comparison to the rest of the field at that time....and his arms would have had to be about 24" to be in proportion with his frame...he can't help it if he was blessed with one of the greatest shoulder to waist tapers of all time..but then again that doesn't mean alot to you, as long as they are big...doesn't matter if they look like a barrel with arms and legs

[LuciusFox]

didn't read or you chose not to acknowledge the rest of the post especially where I talked about haneys legs in comparison to the rest of the field at that time....and his arms would have had to be about 24" to be in proportion with his frame...he can't help it if he was blessed with one of the greatest shoulder to waist tapers of all time..but then again that doesn't mean alot to you, as long as they are big...doesn't matter if they look like a barrel with arms and legs

 "doesn't matter if they look like a barrel with arms and legs ".....I thought you were a fan of Dorian's

[pumpster]

LOL thanx I couldn't have said it better-Yates & Haney are barrels with armz. hahhahah

You're completely consumed with measurements. Beckles, Robinson & early Coleman all had small waists and great arms that you've determined were impossible for Haney to have.

Now, on Haney's chicken legs.. Reminds me of someone who's been training 1.5-2 years.

[NarcissisticDeity]

  Narcissistic Deity has a soft spot for the arm-less

And you for the calf-less 

[LuciusFox]

LOL thanx I couldn't have said it better-Yates & Haney are barrels with armz. hahhahah

You're completely consumed with measurements. Beckles, Robinson & early Coleman all had small waists and great arms that you've determined were impossible for Haney to have.

Now, on Haney's chicken legs.. Reminds me of someone who's been training 1.5-2 years.

 I think that running marathons burned up Haney's leg muscles

[natural al]

LOL thanx I couldn't have said it better-Yates & Haney are barrels with armz. hahhahah

You're completely consumed with measurements. Beckles, Robinson & early Coleman all had small waists and great arms that you've determined were impossible for Haney to have.

Now, on Haney's chicken legs.. Reminds me of someone who's been training 1.5-2 years.

no, you're wrong.  beckles and robinson weighed what 220-230 back when they were on stage with Lee and neither one of them carried lee's mass, not even close.  Robbie was close to lee's structure but when asked after winning the 1988 Niagra Falls pro invitational if he was gonna really go after lee he said "Well, Lee is lee.  For me to compete with him I'd have to put on 30 pounds and that would destroy the symetry"  word for word.  See Symetry used to matter..not anymore.  Another thing...Robbies legs were worse than lee's, albert had great quads but that was it, I don't remember his hamstrings or his calfs setting the world on fire.  Litsten man, you don't know what you are talking about.  You picked 3 guys and 2 of them are not even close to being in either Ronnie or Lee's league.  Now I can keep on making you look like a fool, it's up to you.  Name one guy, pre 1991-when lee retired-who was anywhere near and big as lee with is shape, meaning small waist and huge chest, back, shoulders and traps that had better legs and arms than Lee did.  Only one who comes close is Brian Buchannan but his legs werent even in lee's league.   Mike Quinn came close to lee's mass in the traps, back and shoulders, his arms were better but his waist was waaaay bigger and his legs were worse than lee's.  Who else is there?  Gaspari?  sorry, his waiste was too big and his taper was not even close, at the 1988 Olympia he was his biggest and he was straight up and down.  Labrada?  Sorry, love the guys build but he was too small.  Demay?  Nope, not enough taper.  Only one is Christian and he didn't have lee's Chest or taper.....sorry dude, you loose.

"doesn't matter if they look like a barrel with arms and legs ".....I thought you were a fan of Dorian's

we're not talking about Dorian right now and I wouldn't want to.  Seems like people will believe what they want to believe, ignore history and facts, never look at the pics....funny how some joker on the net can say a dude with 8 sandows is shitty

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, you're wrong.  beckles and robinson weighed what 220-230 back when they were on stage with Lee and neither one of them carried lee's mass, not even close.  Robbie was close to lee's structure but when asked after winning the 1988 Niagra Falls pro invitational if he was gonna really go after lee he said "Well, Lee is lee.  For me to compete with him I'd have to put on 30 pounds and that would destroy the symetry"  word for word.  See Symetry used to matter..not anymore.

we're not talking about Dorian right now and I wouldn't want to.  Seems like people will believe what they want to believe, ignore history and facts, never look at the pics....funny how some joker on the net can say a dude with 8 sandows is shitty

Beckles was lucky if he was 200lbs !! and Robby was about 230lbs but he looked sharper in my opinion in the 70s , Al makes some great points .

[LuciusFox]

And you for the calf-less 

  Touche

[natural al]

Beckles was lucky if he was 200lbs !! and Robby was about 230lbs but he looked sharper in my opinion in the 70s , Al makes some great points .

well, I don't have weights in front of me or mags or anything.  I go off of memory.  I follow bodybuilding alot like other guys follow football, for some reason I remember everything.  I can name the top five in the O off of the top of my head from probably 84 to somewher in the late 90's.  I started loosing interest for awhile so I can't do some of the more recent shows but I can still do alot. 

Robbie probably looked his best in 88 when he won the niagra and placed second at the NOC-tip five at that show, off the top of my head:

Phill Hill
Robbie Robinson
Bob Paris
Shawn Ray
and I think Albert Beckless

Robbie looked amazing at those shows..all I've seen of Robbie from the 70's are gym shots so I can't really compare anything.

Albert was awsome in 85 and 86, and you're right he was probably about 200lbs...too bad Haney outweihed him by 50lbs or so...and it was muscle not overinflated intestines and bloated organ weight.

[dearth]

Translation - I am skinny and can do a vacuum so therefore I think it's relevant to bodybuilding somehow

translation - I just started lifting weights and clearly know nothing about bodybuilding judging criteria

[pumpster]

beckles and robinson weighed what 220-230 back when they were on stage with Lee and neither one of them carried lee's mass, not even close.  Robbie was close to lee's structure but when asked after winning the 1988 Niagra Falls pro invitational if he was gonna really go after lee he said "Well, Lee is lee.  For me to compete with him I'd have to put on 30 pounds and that would destroy the symetry"  word for word.  See Symetry used to matter..not anymore.  Another thing...Robbies legs were worse than lee's

Absurd-Rob's only weakness on thighs was cuts, not a lack of size like Haney-not the same, which you haven't even noticed. Maybe it's time for you to invest in glasses. On top of that, Rob had huge hams, which you'd only have noticed in person, as I did in the 70s. His best shape wasn't in the late 80s, it was in the late 70s.

Again you're completely mezmerized by numbers, in this case instead of measurements you're confused with bodyweights, so i'll repeat again. Forget the numbers: bottom line Beckles, Rob and early Coleman all had great arms with a small waist, something you claim impossible as an excuse for Haney's mediocre balance.

As far as what one said about the other, Haney was equally complementary, knowing that there was NO way that he deserved 8 Olympias while Robinson, arguable better than Haney, had none. Robinson had the same unusually good density as Haney, but with great arms and far better overall balance. None of the glaring weaknesses Haney always had.

[phyxsius]

Everything about Ronnie is big muscles.. including big gut.

Dorian did have a big gut once but was overshadowed by Ronnie's bigger-than-7-months-old-pregnant-woman gut.

[Hulkster]

I could be wrong, but I don't think Robby was near 230 pounds, at least not in the 70's.  That was the same weight as Arnold was.

I'd post a pic of Robby, but I don't want to go to jail

[pumpster]

Everything about Ronnie is big muscles.. including big gut.

Dorian did have a big gut once but was overshadowed by Ronnie's bigger-than-7-months-old-pregnant-woman gut.

Yates' stomach wasn't much smaller and he didn't have the size to compensate.

[Hulkster]

Yates' stomach wasn't much smaller and he didn't have the size to compensate.

don't forget that his extreme waist width made his gut look way worse than ronnie's ever did onstage.

[pumpster]

Exactly why Yates needed a girdle to help with the "V". 

[LuciusFox]

Exactly why Yates needed a girdle. 

 This is why I love getbig