When will you learn this argument does nt hold up. Dorian beat a practically embryonic ronnie.
Zane beat a young arnold. Does this means he's better. No.
Could dorian at his peak beat ronnie at his - No! The entire bodybuilding world can see this except for yourself and a handful of miscreants.
Embryonic ? lame really lame and your analogy about Zane/Arnold carries no weight , When Zane beat Arnold in 1968 , Arnold was fresh faced to the IFBB and showed loads of potential , however he was years away from being an established Pro , Ronnie Coleman on the other hand was winning shows since 1995 !! he was beating Flex by 1996 and winning more & more in 1997 , so to act like Ronnie was new to the sport when Dorian beat him is a fallacy , Ronnie turned Pro in 1992 he was new to the game when Dorian beat him in 92 but we really can't count that because he was very light , by 1995 Ronnie was competing at 240lbs and by 1996 he was 250lbs and established himself as a top tier Pro , remember Ronnie's phsyique suffers above 250lbs , so there goes that analogy !! in fact 5 out of the
eight times he beat Coleman were in 1996/1997 when Ronnie was at his prime opperating weight , now granted Ronnie was NOT as dry in 96/97 as he was in 1998 but he wasn't that far off and to top it off Dorian wasn't anywhere near his prime , so both wern't close to their best , but Ronnie was closer
and he still lost
Now to answer your question do I feel a prime Dorian could beat a prime Ronnie , I say it may be close ( or may not ) but Dorian would , and you say the whole bodybuilding world could see this lol what a laughable statement , no you and the rest of your zealots believe Ronnie could , but not everyone , you may have a majority opinion on this thread but it doesn't mean your right
The reasons I know Dorian would beat any version Ronnie you can throw at him
1) he beat Ronnie
eight-fucking-times previously , now we can speculate he improved after Yates retired , and thats true to an extent , the only major improvement he had was his conditioning , now Chad thaught Ronnie how to remove excess water from his hams & ass , plus give him gyno , and thats supposed to be the trump card to defeat Yates? lol keep trying , Dorian wrote the book on hardness & size , now you can say Ronnie in 1999 was a lot bigger than 1996/97 , he was 257lbs and holding water , Dorian was 257lbs and hard as steel , you can't try that year , Ronnie 1998 was hard as steel , yet just 249lbs , so yates would have a 8lb weight advantage coupled with being one inch shorter , now you say 8 lbs isn't much of an advantage , yet Camp-Coleman seems to think so , they keep bitching about how much bigger Ronnie was in 1999 compared to 1996/97 , and he was just 7lbs bigger , so obviously Camp-Coleman thinks and edge
any version after that isn't even worth mentioning , 03/04 absolutely huge but not much more.
2) Dorian's previous record , not just with Coleman but with everyone , Yates entered 17 contests and won 15 of them thats an 88% win raito , his 2 loses were both second place finishes , he was a winning machine , he dominated some of the sports best competitors , who were at around their best when he beat them , so purely from a mathematical standpoint , Ronnie with a win percentage raito of just 44% and 35 loses wouldn't beat Dorian , just based on the numbers
3) Now a lot of Coleman fans can't understand Dorian and how he beat Flex Wheeler , Shawn Ray , Kevin Levrone , Paul Dillet , etc , a lot of you are basing your opinion on your personal prefferences , who you think looks better , I was like that was well , I couldn't figure out how Dorian beat Flex Wheeler in 1993 but the more you examine Yates career and his physique without bias or personal preference you can appreciate his dominace , reguardless if you like his phsyique or not , the man was a winner , now I do prefer aesthetic type physiques and I wished Flex would have beat Dorian but he didn't regaurdless of my personal prefferences , but just because I didn't personaly like his look doesn't mean he shouldn't have won , now the same can be said for Coleman fans they can't concieve how for a moment Yates could even be compared to Ronnie , this is where your own bias confuses you to the facts , and the facts is after
eight loses to Yates he isn't going to magically beat him with improved hardness , the fact that Yates at his prime was so dominating that Flex Wheeler himself said the contest is now for 2nd place until Dorian retires , Ronnie is good for the time he is in , but he was never good enough for Yates' time , despite having a 7 year headstart on Yates in bodybuilding
Yates has everything to beat Ronnie at his best , at his best had no real weaknesses , even his biceps were excellent
Size - Ronnie in 1998 was 249lbs and in 1999 was 257lbs , Yates is an inch smaller and weighs 257lbs hard as nails , just as hard as Ronnie in 1998 and 8lbs heavier and just as big as Ronnie in 1999 but a lot harder , and then theres always the density VS volume debate in relation to the size , Ronnie was volume a basketball and Yates has the densoty of a bowlingball
Shape - Everyone goes on and on about Ronnie superior shape , well I'll grant you in some parts he does have better shaped parts and the same with Yates , Ronnie has the better shapped biceps , quads , and you can go on about chest and delts but I wouldn't say that , Dorian has better shapped , calves , abs , triceps , forearms , I would say lats because Dorian's insert near his waist , so the whole shape issue in my opinion is a push
Conditioning - Ronnie was dry in 1998 , maybe even Yates type dry , so 1998 Coleman would be a push and 1999 Coleman wouldn't be has dry as Yates in 1993
Seperation - Again Ronnie has an edge in some and so does Yates , Ronnie upperquads are sharper than Yates , hams are a push , back push , reguardless of what bullshit Hulkster says about Yates not having any upperback sepeartion !! triceps I would say Yates , biceps Ronnie , entire midsection Dorian , calves Dorian , so for any advantage you can find for Coleman I can counter with Yates , so in essence its a push
Striations - probably Ronnie , although Hulkster likes to think Yates has none its nonsense , Yates at his prime had striated glutes , lower back , lowerlats , chest , obliques , intercostals , Ronnie has more in his chest , ass , triceps , but its not a deciding factor , just ask Munzer
Structute - Yates has a better structure , he has much better muscle balance & proportion , Ronnie at his best tied it up pretty good , but not in Yates leauge
Judging
Symmetry round - typically this round isn't only judging the symmetry but also other criteria , balance & proportion , etc , Yates to my knowlege never lost in the symmetry round , but for the sake of argument we'll give Ronnie this round
Muscularity round - Yates would win this round reguardless of 1998/99 Ronnie
Posing round - Yates would win this round , he knows how to best show his physique and can do the poses correctly , Ronnie has to be among the sports worse posers
Posedown - Dorian would have the edge becuase he beat Ronnie
eight times previously so Ronnie would have to try and top him
Mandatories - Dorian is better at showing off his physique , and Ronnie in all honestly only really looks great from the front & back , his side shots are lacking
Front double bicep - we'll give to Ronnie , even though his structure is lacking
Back double bicep - we'll give to Ronnie again , even with poor calves
Side chest - Dorian , Ronnie looks odd in this shot , his front & side delts are so massive they dominate his chest making look small , and besides Ronnie himself said Yates had the best side chest shot
Side triceps - Dorian for obvious reasons
Ab-thigh - Dorian again , better midsection , calves etc
Front latspread - Dorian , no questions asked
Rear latspread - Dorian he has everything Ronnie has plus calves !!
Most muscular - we'll throw Ronnie this one as a gift from me to you
Thats 5 out 8 in Yates favor
Now add all this up and its plain to see that Dorian would beat any version of Ronnie , this is unbiased objective and intelligent diagnosis if you don't agree thats okay , I'm not looking for converts but this sums it all up , even if bias clouds your judgement it doesn't mine !!
