Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

When will you understand numbers mean nothing. Its how you look that counts.

And you say its only camp coleman who are impressed by size.

No its Camp-Coleman who made the claim he was no where near as big as he was in 97 as 98/99 so I responded with numbers to the contrary and all Camp-Coleman does is spout numbers , how much Ronnie can squat , how many Sandows Ronnie has , how many contests Ronnie won , How much Ronnie can legpress , how big Ronnies arms are , etc , so numbers matter to an extent .

[sculpture]

Don't make the newbie mistake of confusing quality with quantity. 

800lbs

8 mr o's

more than everyone else

c.2300lbs

2-3 inches more than dorian

[pumpster]

No its Camp-Coleman who made the claim he was no where near as big as he was in 97 as 98/99 so I responded with numbers to the contrary and all Camp-Coleman does is spout numbers , how much Ronnie can squat , how many Sandows Ronnie has , how many contests Ronnie won , How much Ronnie can legpress , how big Ronnies arms are , etc , so numbers matter to an extent .

Actually he's constantly going on and on, rattling off meaningless numbers that Yates was 2.5 lb. heavier, 5 lb. lighter, blah, blah, blah. Incredibly trivial.

[natural al]

Actually he's constantly going on and on, rattling off meaningless numbers that Yates was 2.5 lb. heavier, 5 lb. lighter, blah, blah, blah. Incredibly trivial.

every fact that anyone puts out there is trivial in your eyes unless it supports your point of view....

[pumpster]

every fact that anyone puts out there is trivial in your eyes unless it supports your point of view....

SUPERB blanket over-generalization there genius.

[natural al]

SUPERB blanket over-generalization there genius.

well slick, we've got over 100 pages and all you've been able to come up with is conspiricy this and conspiricy that...everything anyone else points out is deemed moronic by you...not excactly a blanket statement.  When I asked you to explain to me what the IFBB would gain by not promoting Ronnie while dorian was winning his o's you didn't say jack.  So here's the question, when Dorian won his last couple of O's ronnie was in decent shape, he was marketable, he'd been in national television commercials and was still a cop...pretty good image he had back then.  Wieder was supporting and pushing guys like Flex and Dillet, both black so it could not have been racial so since you know so much about the politics of the sport why didn't ronnie place higher?  Lets hear a legitimate answer.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Don't make the newbie mistake of confusing quality with quantity. 

800lbs

8 mr o's

more than everyone else

c.2300lbs

2-3 inches more than dorian

Get in the game son , I've been hollering about quality over quantity all over this thread , egt with the program .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Actually he's constantly going on and on, rattling off meaningless numbers that Yates was 2.5 lb. heavier, 5 lb. lighter, blah, blah, blah. Incredibly trivial.

The numbers are called facts and they help my argument without being biased and typical crybaby they don't work for you so now they're meaningless lol no the mean Dorian Yates beat Ronnie Coleman eight times . 

[sculpture]

Get in the game son , I've been hollering about quality over quantity all over this thread , egt with the program .

Your missing the point chico. As you incessantly assert, colemans bodyweight hardly changed from 1996 to 99. Even if you are correct, what you fail to realise is that the quality of his physique improved by leaps and bounds.

Thats something you can't ascertain by your simple examination of figures.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Your missing the point chico. As you incessantly assert, colemans bodyweight hardly changed from 1996 to 99. Even if you are correct, what you fail to realise is that the quality of his physique improved by leaps and bounds.

Thats something you can't ascertain by your simple examination of figures.

Are you able to fully read & comprehend the English language? I've pointed out pleanty of times that his conditioning & overall appearence improved from 1996/1997 to 1998/1999 and I've also said while his overall appearence did change , in terms of size & demensions he did not , he was 250lbs in 1996 , he was 255lbs in 1997 he was 249lbs in 1998 and 257lbs in 1999 , so his weight really didn't change within this 4 years his overall conditioning and appearence did

Camp-Coleman insists Ronnie was no where near as big or good as he was in 96/97 to 98/99 , he was light years away , he was a baby , blah , blah , blah , I've said the only new things Ronnie brought to the table in 98/99 was improved hardness which helped his overall appearence , size wise he was roughly the same & demension wise as well , so get with the program 

[pumpster]

when Dorian won his last couple of O's ronnie was in decent shape, he was marketable, he'd been in national television commercials and was still a cop

What this means is that you haven't absorbed anything that I already said, otherwise you wouldn't ask. Weider will ride the more marketable commodity as long as possible, even when it would be better for the "sport" to go in other directions. I've already said that from a business perspective allowing Yates to win longer than deserved made sense, thus your question regarding Coleman is moot. The Olympia is only in part a meritocracy the degree to which varies by circumstance, not unlike wrestling.

Carry on, easy-reader..

[sculpture]

Are you able to fully read & comprehend the English language? I've pointed out pleanty of times that his conditioning & overall appearence improved from 1996/1997 to 1998/1999 and I've also said while his overall appearence did change , in terms of size & demensions he did not , he was 250lbs in 1996 , he was 255lbs in 1997 he was 249lbs in 1998 and 257lbs in 1999 , so his weight really didn't change within this 4 years his overall conditioning and appearence did

Camp-Coleman insists Ronnie was no where near as big or good as he was in 96/97 to 98/99 , he was light years away , he was a baby , blah , blah , blah , I've said the only new things Ronnie brought to the table in 98/99 was improved hardness which helped his overall appearence , size wise he was roughly the same & demension wise as well , so get with the program 

Camp - dorian believe that ronnie 99 is comparable to ronnie 96 as some sort of argument to support yates even in his 96 form being able to beat ronnie of 98/99.

To the majority - utter, utter pap.

[pumpster]

To the majority - utter, utter pap.

Beautifully put. Unfortunately, too clear to be comprehended by some; puffery's required. hahahahhaha

[NarcissisticDeity]

Camp - dorian believe that ronnie 99 is comparable to ronnie 96 as some sort of argument to support yates even in his 96 form being able to beat ronnie of 98/99.

To the majority - utter, utter pap.

No the argument for those who haven't been paying attention is a 1993 Dorian would best Ronnie from 1998/1999 for among other reasons the only other new assest Coleman brings to the table is improved hardness & appearence and it would take just a tad more than that to beat Dorian at his own game .

[sculpture]

Wrong. You asserted that by virtue of ronnie being the same  , that since a less than peak dorian 96 won, dorian of 93 would have no problems dispatching him.


Again pap.

[natural al]

What this means is that you haven't absorbed anything that I already said, otherwise you wouldn't ask. Weider will ride the more marketable commodity as long as possible, even when it would be better for the "sport" to go in other directions. I've already said that from a business perspective allowing Yates to win longer than deserved made sense, thus your question regarding Coleman is moot. The Olympia is only in part a meritocracy the degree to which varies by circumstance, not unlike wrestling.

Carry on, easy-reader..

ahhh....so what we have here is a theory by you....No one on this board knows if it's true or not.  From a business aspect it made as much sense to push ronnie as anyone else...so lets say Wieder wanted Dorian to be mr. o...fine, we'll go with that.  Then explain to me why ronnie-if he was so damn good-was still floundering in the middle of the pack.  Bottom line there pumpster, Ronnie was good but he needed a guru to make him great and that guru has destroyed just about everything that was good about his body.  You tell me that the ronnie of last year could beat the ronnie of 97 or 98...no way Jose.  Ronnie's been losing ground for years-with the exception of 2004 and even then he had something growing in his belly.  

oh, yeah..I didn't read all 120ish pages of this thread..all I had to do was read about 2 pages after you came along...you're still making the same arguements and still saying the same shit.  If someone doesn't agree with you thier opinions or facts are not worthwile..you're kinda like a broken reacord.

[pumpster]

If someone doesn't agree with you thier opinions or facts are not worthwile..you're kinda like a broken reacord.

Coming from easy-reader who admits to being uninformed and with nothing to contribute to the thread, instead worries about someone else's content with absolutely zero to contribute himself-a true keyboard warrior and ND recruit. The classic arrogance of Yates and his plebes. [/i] hahhahahha

[delta9mda]

for you hulky, check the triceps, ronnie aint got this

[pumpster]

for you hulky, check the triceps, ronnie aint got this

You couldn't be more wrong, you've got it backwards. Yates has ONLY a good side tri shot to rely on, because he has cuts not much size, actually. Coleman's not quite as cut but the tris are much bigger-Yates has to press the arms against his sides to increase the impression of size that he lacks in any other tri shots.

Any other shot he has nothing-they match the bis in size, sadly..


Another shot of Yates' torso overwheling the arms, both bis & tris..

[NarcissisticDeity]

Learn, do some reading, you've got it backwards. Yates has ONLY the side tri shot because he has cuts, not much size actually. Coleman's not quite as cut but tris are much bigger-Yates presses the arm against his side to make them look bigger.

Any other shot, he has nothing-they match the bis, sadly..

Well typical pumpster , you post a picture of Dorian at his worse and some Chris Lund photo shot pic of Ronnie and proclaim he has no arms one thats not his peak condition 1993 or 1995 , at his peak his arms were quite good , not spectacular but better than 97 and better than you give credit for .

[Hulkster]

Okay, once again the argument seems to be that 1999 Ronnie was nothing more than a slightly harder 1996 Ronnie, and therefore, Dorian would still beat a 1999 ronnie.

For those who missed it the first time, compare these two videos:

1997:

1999:

http://shiftedshapes.net/Ronnie_Coleman_1999_Mr%5b1%5d.Olympia.wmv

I would suggest that those who believe the bullshit that ronnie did not dramatically improve watch these videos again, this time with your eyes wide open, and your mouth free of Dorian's cock.

Now, as you can clearly see, ronnie was certainly a whole lot more than just a harder version of himself.

In 1999 his arms, legs and back all improved DRAMATICALLY onstage.  His entire look was different.

it may have only been a few pounds difference, but it filled out his frame and made a dramatic change to the overall look of his phyisque.

1997 ronnie looked like he needed a lot more muscle to look right.
1999 ronnie accomplished this fact.


See, again, 1996 Ronnie had a back lat spread that was not as good as yates.
In 1999, he had a lat spread that surpassed yates.

for quad size, Dorian's legs would have dwarfed the 1996 ronnie's.
In 1999 again, he would have matched dorian for size, and obliterated his quads for detail and sweep.

etc.

The point is this: 1999 Ronnie would have enjoyed many advantages over dorian that the 1996 Ronnie would not have gained.

Some advanages were still there, like taper and some detail. but 1996 ronnie just plain looked strange in many poses, because his frame was not full enough yet.

A few pounds in the right places made all the difference.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Okay, once again the argument seems to be that 1999 Ronnie was nothing more than a slightly harder 1996 Ronnie, and therefore, Dorian would still beat a 1999 ronnie.

For those who missed it the first time, compare these two videos:

1997:

1999:

http://shiftedshapes.net/Ronnie_Coleman_1999_Mr%5b1%5d.Olympia.wmv

I would suggest that those who believe the bullshit that ronnie did not dramatically improve watch these videos again, this time with your eyes wide open, and your mouth free of Dorian's cock.

Now, as you can clearly see, ronnie was certainly a whole lot more than just a harder version of himself.

In 1999 his arms, legs and back all improved DRAMATICALLY onstage.  His entire look was different.

it may have only been a few pounds difference, but it filled out his frame and made a dramatic change to the overall look of his phyisque.

1997 ronnie looked like he needed a lot more muscle to look right.
1999 ronnie accomplished this fact.


See, again, 1996 Ronnie had a back lat spread that was not as good as yates.
In 1999, he had a lat spread that surpassed yates.

for quad size, Dorian's legs would have dwarfed the 1996 ronnie's.
In 1999 again, he would have matched dorian for size, and obliterated his quads for detail and sweep.

etc.

The point is this: 1999 Ronnie would have enjoyed many advantages over dorian that the 1996 Ronnie would not have gained.

Some advanages were still there, like taper and some detail. but 1996 ronnie just plain looked strange in many poses, because his frame was not full enough yet.

A few pounds in the right places made all the difference.

Seen all the vids and Ronnie 99 is basically a harder version of Ronnie 97 , he was two pounds heavier , his appearence did improve no if ands or buts about it , but other than hardness its the same Ronnie , now obviously in 97 he was a little smooth so he dropped his weight down to 249lbs in 98 came in hard as nails , in 99 he added another 8lbs and came in harder than 97 but softer than 98 , so other than his hardness he is basically the same , its not like Dorian who was 242lbs in 92 and then competed at 257lbs in 1993 , its not that much of improvement in size & hardness .

[Hulkster]

not sure why peak ronnie's tris get such a bad rap. They had more detail than Dorian's ever did and looked much freakier from the front than Dorian's. As you can see, they looked pretty damn good from the side too.

[Hulkster]

It appears that the video with the 1997 posing is not working.

here is the link:

[NarcissisticDeity]

not sure why peak ronnie's tris get such a bad rap. They had more detail than Dorian's ever did and looked much freakier from the front than Dorian's. As you can see, they looked pretty damn good from the side too.

His tris aren't ' bad ' they're quite good , but he has thin sidehead and the rearhead looks short , anyway iyts not so much his triceps its his whole sidetricep shot !!