One you're high if you think Ronnie has great balance & proportion or symmetry whatever you want to label it as , because its a misnoma people tend to think balance & proportion is symmetry , when in essensce symmetry referes right/left balance and NOTHING in nature is symmetrical , so in that respects Ronnie's symmetry isn't any better or worse in my opinion than Dorians , you think Ronnie's calves look exactly like each other?
Symmetry does encompass right/left balance ... and I only acknowledged this the moment I entered this thread. In bodybuilding, symmetry also refers to how a physique flows from top to bottom. V-taper and X-frame constitute an element of balance and proportion, yet they are effectively judged as symmetry.
"NOTHING in nature is symmetrical" ... you stated this a page ago and I already addressed it.
I think your goal is to simply bore me into submission but recycling the same old tired arguments I have already provided an answer for time and again. Nonetheless, I am stubborn as well, and I will continue to address whatever you throw my way...
The difference between Dorian's right and left arm, right and left quadricep, and even right and left pec (Dorian has a strange abberation on the sternocostal portion of his pec) are far more substantial than Ronnie's. Although both would have some difference, Dorian's difference would be far more apparent to the judges and far more likely to detract from his appearance.
And from top to bottom, I have already established that Ronnie has a far better X-frame and V-taper.
or when he does the rear latspread his lats don't match each other perfectly , this is commonsense , do you think for a moment Ronnie's biceps are exactly 22 1/4th on each arm? or his quads are both 37' 1/3rd inches? gets serious , now obviously Dorian's torn bicep would compromise his symmetry but I'm talking about Yates in 1993 pre tear so thats a moot point
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And as far as balance & proportion are concerned its not even close , Ronnie is all over the place with his parts , starting with his calves , they are to small for his quads & his quads are to big for his calves , thus throwing off his lower balance , he has a gigantic overdeveloped ass , he sticks way out and its in no way in proportion with his hams or calves , Ronnie had a middleweights waist and a heavyweights chest & back which is desirable as long even through his torso is very short , Coleman has heavyweights delts and superheavyweights biceps & triceps , you look at his rear double bicep shot his arms are bigger than his delts in this shot and his forearms are middleweights compared to his biceps/triceps , this compromises his arm balance , overall he has no muscle continuity , he doesn't have a great flow from one muscle to the next , he is a collection of exaggerated parts while impressive its a phallacy to say he has great balance & proportion , Dorian from that standpoint as much better balance & proportion
Ronnie Coleman has the largest, thickest, wideset back in the history of bodybuilding ... and you attirubte it to a "heavyweight"?
His arms are perfectly proportioned to his deltoids in the rear-double bicep:
What are you talking about? Based on this picture, I can't imagine better proportion.
His bicep peaks are perfect and his shoulders are thick, round, and symmetrical.
The only aspect of your analysis in this preceding paragraph I agree with is the calves/quadriceps proportion, but this is only an issue from the front, not the side or behind.
I'm convinced you aren't basing this assessment on anything concrete.
How about you post a picture and refer to specific elements on the picture in reference to his balance, because the pictures I am studying do not coincide with any of your other statements.
And genetics are a part of the game , now lots of African-American bodybuilders have short high calves and most make the best of what they were given in my opinion Ronnie either hasn't or can't , Shawn Ray had pretty good calves even though they were high , Ronnie's never looked as good as his , anyway , thats not all thats wrong with Ronnie genetically , his abs are medicore , as mentioned his balance & proportion is another genetic flaw , couple that with a very thin sidehead of his tricep , so we can go tit for tat but we end up right back where we started , nobody is denying Yates biceps weren't fantastic but they're not as bad as everyone is playing it out to be !!
Ronnie's calf tendon insertion isn't particularly high relative to some black bodybuilders. Its more a matter of his gastrocnemius, it doesn't extend far enough beyond the medial portion of his shin. That said, he has undoubtedly done the best that he can. He has some of the largest calves in bodybuilding.
LOL. How dare you even mention their arms in the same sentence! The difference is staggering.
For one, Dorians biceps were awful! As I've said previously, one was torn. This wasn't even a minor tear, half of it was missing entirely. Secondly, they had little/no peak.
his quads became shapeless blobs with minimal cuts
WTF
his calves are M.I.A his midsection is wide & distended his intercostals
Calves on par with Jay, yet larger. Jay's are considered some of the best in the sport.
, Ronnie if you've ever watched him throughout his career is and always has been a lackluster poser , he can barely do the mandatories and when he does free posing , he's clumsy and looks akward , his transitions are painfull , watching Ronnie doesn't bring back memories of Lee Labrada when posing , not by a long shot , neither does Dorian but he certainly a better poser than Coleman , Ronnie despite his better taper , doesn't hold a candle next to Dorian in the ab-thigh , or the latspreads , Ronnie's side chest shot is dominated by his overdeveloped delts , you can barely see his chest , so to say he would beat Dorian at posing confirms your delusion and whats with the white guy comment? Ronnie fans are prone to pointing out he's caucasin
The only debate is whether or not Coleman would win the front latspread. Every single bodypart of his is better in isolation, but Yates lats do fill in the space to a greater extent. It would depend on the judging panel. After all, in terms of filling in space, Franco Columbo had the best front-lat spread, yet would he beat Dorian or Ronnie in the front-lat spread? Ronnie's lats are wider, and bigger, but he also has far more room to fill in between his arms since he is quite a bit wider in general.
Ronnie would f*cking own Dorian in the ab/thigh. 2003/2004 Coleman had a solid ab/thigh.
It is his weakest pose, but it is commendable nonetheless. No comment on the rear lat spread, Coleman would win hands down, after all it is his "lights out game over rear lat spread"
God damn it, you said 2 pages ago that Ronnie's deltoids were underdeveloped. Now you say they are overdeveloped. As clusterfucked as your opinion is, at least stick with the same one longer than 2 freaking pages! HAHAHA
You're just another Coleman fan who severly underestimates Dorian's dominence , you've mistaken Dorian for a pushoever , some B-teir bodybuilder when in fact he's just opposite !! he dominated a lot higher quality of competitor than Ronnie ever faced , in fact he lost just twice as a Pro and Ronnie 35 times , he never placed lower than 2nd in a Pro contest , Ronnie was dead last on more than one occasion , Dorian's win rate per contest he entered is 88% and Ronnie's is just 42% thats less than half the contests he entered , Dorian recieved straight firsts for all of his Olympia wins , Ronnie only did this 3 times , in fact Dorian outright beat Ronnie Coleman eight seperate times , now obviously Ronnie wasn't at his prime when Dorian beat him but neither was Dorian 
at the 1993 Mr Olympia the judges didn't even need to include him in the musculairty round due to his outstanding superiority , thats unheard of !! they called him out to please the audience , who do you think Dorian Yates is? lol you think he's Jay Cutler ? Ronnie's is going to have his way with him? not quite kid , Ronnie may have dominated some ho-hum competitors but none of them were Dorian Yates , purely from a mathmatical standpoint Dorian would win 88% to 42 % I'll take those odds !!
I'm desperately trying to salvage my GetBig credibility ? you've mistaken me for someone who cares about GetBig credibility , I give my opinion reguardless who agrees or don't , and there is a difference between you and I , I can say if that they met at their respect peaks ( and 2003 isn't his peak ) it could go either way , seeing how the sport is so subjective who knows what the judges would pick , I'm more than willing to concede Dorian would lose to Ronnie , in my honest & unbiased opinion in all probablity I don't think he would , I think he would win and it may be by just points but I'm very confident he would win none the less , thats what seperates me from you and the rest of Camp-Coleman , but most of you are emotionally wrapped-up in hero worship and me on the other hand am not , Dorian is by no stretch of the imagination what I consider the best bodybuilder , but he is certainly better than Ronnie Coleman , so we can knitpick on bodyparts and strenghts & weaknesses to the cows come home , for another 130 pages and thats all good , thats why I'm here !!
Its painfully obvious you don't care about GetBig credibility.
