Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Praetor Fenix]

Doughboy couldn't match this shot for size , muscularity , proportion & balance , density & dryness , and take a peek at Dorian's ' inferior ' delts and his lack of biceps   oh and take a good long hard look at forearms that are in proportion with the rest of the arms

You can't be serious...

Your size argument is completely wrong. It is an objective fact that Ronnie is bigger, and in 2003 EVERY muscle in this pose is significantly larger. The visual evidence and scale-weight alone are more than sufficient grounds to refute your verbal diarrhea.
I will stress it again. You are 100% wrong.

Not only are Ronnie's muscles more developed, they are clearly more separated. Look at the delt heads in particular. Ronnie's posterior heads are clearly and distinctly separate from the medial and anterior heads, whereas with Dorian a few shallow ridges form the only exterior distinction. Dorian IS hitting the pose much better (his deltoids are perfectly forward and facing the camera, whereas Ronnie's are elevated).

Important to note:
- Ronnie's superior V-taper.
- Ronnie's superior back separation and detail.
- Ronnie's superior size in each and every visible muscle.
- Ronnie's christmas tree in his lumbar region is clearly outlined.

- Dorian's nonexistent biceps peaks.
- Dorian has no tricep definition, his lateral head is nowhere to be found visually.

Dorian's forearms are larger. Thats it. He gets annihilated in every single remaining element of the pose, and the forearms ARE NOT a crucial muscle in the back double-bicep. They are not to be entirely dismissed, but they do not make up for an inferior back or biceps, not by a long shot.

Sadly, that is the only decent picture you can produce of his back-double biceps.
He looks like utter garbage in any other back-double bicep available.
You have used that picture to death - it really is your only strong defense, which is sad.

AHAHA LOOK AT THAT RIGHT F*CKING DELT DUDE. LOOK AT THE TRAPS!
NO CONTEST!! NO F*CKING CONTEST!!


Another reference for trapezius size:


I grow tired of your black and white pictures as a testament of his conditioning.
Black & white is well documented to make an athlete look more grainy. His conditioning would not look nearly as good in color, and you know it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Again you keep insisting that he had striated quads in 2003 but amazingly you're the only one who sees them   here is a pic of Ronnie with striated quads so you'll know the difference   and notice is once great tight midsection

[NarcissisticDeity]

You can't be serious...

Your size argument is completely wrong. It is an objective fact that Ronnie is bigger, and in 2003 EVERY muscle in this pose is significantly larger. The visual evidence and scale-weight alone are more than sufficient grounds to refute your verbal diarrhea.
I will stress it again. You are 100% wrong.

Not only are Ronnie's muscles more developed, they are clearly more separated. Look at the delt heads in particular. Ronnie's posterior heads are clearly and distinctly separate from the medial and anterior heads, whereas with Dorian a few shallow ridges form the only exterior distinction. Dorian IS hitting the pose much better (his deltoids are perfectly forward and facing the camera, whereas Ronnie's are elevated).

Important to note:
- Ronnie's superior V-taper.
- Ronnie's superior back separation and detail.
- Ronnie's superior size in each and every visible muscle.
- Ronnie's christmas tree in his lumbar region is clearly outlined.

- Dorian's nonexistent biceps peaks.
- Dorian has no tricep definition, his lateral head is nowhere to be found visually.

Dorian's forearms are larger. Thats it. He gets annihilated in every single remaining element of the pose, and the forearms ARE NOT a crucial muscle in the back double-bicep. They are not to be entirely dismissed, but they do not make up for an inferior back or biceps, not by a long shot.

Sadly, that is the only decent picture you can produce of his back-double biceps.
He looks like utter garbage in any other back-double bicep available.
You have used that picture to death - it really is your only strong defense, which is sad.

AHAHA LOOK AT THAT RIGHT F*CKING DELT DUDE. LOOK AT THE TRAPS!
NO CONTEST!! NO F*CKING CONTEST!!


Another reference for trapezius size:


I grow tired of your black and white pictures as a testament of his conditioning.
Black & white is well documented to make an athlete look more grainy. His conditioning would not look nearly as good in color, and you know it.

No contest is right , in both pic Dorian is outclassing Coleman by far , Ronnie is NO WHERE near as hard as Dorian in those pics and he's almost 20lbs heavier , the difference is one is onstage and the other is a gym shot taken with low light and no tan or oil and he still looks fuggin better lol Ronnie looks like he's still precontest and has another 30lbs of fat to drop , and Ronnie's x-mas tree has never been in Dorians leauge keep grasping at straws on that one , that shot destroys ANY shot of Coleman you can come up with , in terms of size , density , balance & proportion , quality , musculairty , seperation , detail , shape , dryness , complete from head to toe , he has zero weaknesses in that shot , so bow down !! 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hey what do you know yet another pic of Ronnie's biceps/triceps not in proportion with his forearms , and hey its his superior sidetricep shot  you look at Dorian when you need a textbook sidetricep pose , oh and I used black & white so you can't complain 

[Praetor Fenix]

If you need refference on what a great midsection looks like compare Yates to Ronnie , you'll notice Dorian's midsection just obliterates Ronnies in terms of seperation , detail and muscularity and his taper is on par with Ronnie 2003 or better !!

You think that is a fair comparison? Look how small Ronnie's picture is and how f*cking far away he is from the camera. I don't have a f*cking hand-lens by my computer. Its pretty lame when my index finger can fit completely inside a single one of Yates' abdominals without touching the border, yet my index finger entirely obscures Ronnie's entire midsection AND some of the adjacent backdrop. My point being the comparison is obviously flawed with a cheap size differential.

That said, I never claimed his abdominal detail was ideal in 2003.
The point is, it was an exceedingly minor deficiency, and coupled with his readily apparent strengths over Yates, there wouldn't have been any question as to Ronnie's supremacy.

At no time has Dorian had a better V-taper. EVER.

Ronnie's midsection at one time would utterly annihilate Yates.



Nonetheless, here is an attached picture from 2003, on that can actually be seen with the naked eye (   )!, and Ronnie DOES have comparable intercostal/serratus shred.

Once again, I love your dependence on these black and white pictures with modified resolution intended to excentuate detail. Its really lame actually. Notice how all of the Yates pictures that don't look like absolute shit are in black and white? And the select few Coleman pictures we have posted with black and white shit all over torn-bicep Yates?

Its a really cheap advantage, but fortunately for us you have cluster-f*cked logic and you are horrible at debate, so it isn't too difficult to compensate for ;].

[pumpster]

NerD always resorts to Yates' beefy shots when he's desperate to prove Yates had size. In which case, show equivalents.

[pumpster]

As usual, NerD's frenzies get him into trouble, as in these shots that establish once again that Coleman wins on one of Yates' supposed "money" shots AKA Yates *only* triceps shot..Coleman with the same cuts, triceps looking almost twice the size.

[Praetor Fenix]

Hey what do you know yet another pic of Ronnie's biceps/triceps not in proportion with his forearms , and hey its his superior sidetricep shot  you look at Dorian when you need a textbook sidetricep pose , oh and I used black & white so you can't complain 

(Refer to my attachment). Superior side tricep in every sense.
His forearms do not look too small, they are in perfect balance with his upper arm.

Ronnie owns Yates in this comparison dude.
Look at Ronnie's chest and deltoid development. It is insane.
Apart from that over-rated kink in Yates' lateral head you love to refer to ceaselessly, he has nothing on Ronnie in this pose. Look at the lack of detail in Dorian's lateral head. Not a single striation. Ronnie's striations are stacked bro, absolutely stacked.

It is quite evident that Ronnie's lateral head is larger, more striated, and more clearly etched out.
That more than compensates for Yates' kink.

This comparison is an absolute embarassment to Dorian.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You think that is a fair comparison? Look how small Ronnie's picture is and how f*cking far away he is from the camera. I don't have a f*cking hand-lens by my computer. Its pretty lame when my index finger can fit completely inside a single one of Yates' abdominals without touching the border, yet my index finger entirely obscures Ronnie's entire midsection AND some of the adjacent backdrop. My point being the comparison is obviously flawed with a cheap size differential.

That said, I never claimed his abdominal detail was ideal in 2003.
The point is, it was an exceedingly minor deficiency, and coupled with his readily apparent strengths over Yates, there wouldn't have been any question as to Ronnie's supremacy.  

At no time has Dorian had a better V-taper. EVER.

Ronnie's midsection at one time would utterly annihilate Yates.


Nonetheless, here is an attached picture from 2003, on that can actually be seen with the naked eye (   )!, and Ronnie DOES have comparable intercostal/serratus shred.

Once again, I love your dependence on these black and white pictures with modified resolution intended to excentuate detail. Its really lame actually. Notice how all of the Yates pictures that don't look like absolute shit are in black and white? And the select few Coleman pictures we have posted with black and white shit all over torn-bicep Yates?

Its a really cheap advantage, but fortunately for us you have cluster-f*cked logic and you are horrible at debate, so it isn't too difficult to compensate for ;].

Oh boo-hoo the excuses start rolling out , first of all slick , the B&W photos are scans from magazines so the contrast hasn't been tampered with , second you're high if you think Ronnie's midsection is comprable to Dorians in 2003 and notice the destention he had in 99   and Dorian's taper in 93/95 is equal to or better than Coleman 2003 no if ands or buts about it , you wanted proof I provided and exactly like Hulkster the excuses start rolling   , the more things change the more they remain the same  

[NarcissisticDeity]

(Refer to my attachment). Superior side tricep in every sense.
His forearms do not look too small, they are in perfect balance with his upper arm.

Ronnie owns Yates in this comparison dude.
Look at Ronnie's chest and deltoid development. It is insane.
Apart from that over-rated kink in Yates' lateral head you love to refer to ceaselessly, he has nothing on Ronnie in this pose. Look at the lack of detail in Dorian's lateral head. Not a single striation. Ronnie's striations are stacked bro, absolutely stacked.

It is quite evident that Ronnie's lateral head is larger, more striated, and more clearly etched out.
That more than compensates for Yates' kink.

This comparison is an absolute embarassment to Dorian.

The fact that you think the comparision is an ' embarasment ' to Dorian shows you're clearly beyond the point of no return , and you keep posting pictures of Ronnie and pointing out striations he doesn't have lol and this is something you've yet to learn , some bodybuilders are born with great balance & proportion and some aren't , Ronnie is one of those who aren't , you can't escape this , and Ronnie's ' striations ' aren't enough to overcome Dorian's superiority and completness in this pose .

[pumpster]

This clown keeps posting misleading pics of Yates in a desperate attempt to show him with size, knowing full well that these are black & whites taken when he was beefy/puffy n pasty. He conveniently ignores that fact that Yates loses much of his detail in these shots, nor does he offer a fair comparison with Coleman.

It's misleading-here is the fair comparison, as previously ignored by NerD..

[pumpster]

ND never mentions how much detail Yates sacrifices to look bigger here..

Can you say puffy?

[NarcissisticDeity]

This clown keeps posting misleading pics of Yates in a desperate attempt to show him with size, knowing full well that these are black & whites taken when he was beefy/puffy n pasty. He conveniently ignores that fact that Yates loses much of his detail in these shots, nor does he offer a fair comparison with Coleman.

It's misleading-here is the fair comparison, as previously ignored by NerD..

It can't be chance that all Coleman fans aren't that bright , he's 269lbs in those pics and harder than Coleman at 247lbs his conditioning is better than most of Colemans Mr Olympia wins , and the reason you can't see much detail genius is because they're inside a gym not on the stage with professional lighting couple that with no tan or oil and then gee there you have it   that package right there is better than anything Ronnie Coleman ever produced since the day he started lifting weights .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hey thanks for another pic of Coleman's lack of balance in the arms , good thing its from the knees up so we can see the whole imbalance issue , those forearms sure looks in proportion with those biceps/triceps  nice round belly Budda would be proud 

[natural al]

This clown keeps posting misleading pics of Yates in a desperate attempt to show him with size, knowing full well that these are black & whites taken when he was beefy/puffy n pasty. He conveniently ignores that fact that Yates loses much of his detail in these shots, nor does he offer a fair comparison with Coleman.

It's misleading-here is the fair comparison, as previously ignored by NerD..

yeah, that's a fair comparison.......to what excactly?  You've got a black and white shot of Dorain showing size and condition and a shadowy shot of Ronnie showing...what?  Size?  Well it's already been established that Ron has size...this comparison sucks.

[natural al]

ND never mentions how much detail Yates sacrifices to look bigger here..

Can you say puffy?

it's incredible that you point out how "puffy" dorian is....have you seen pics of ron from the last few Olympia's?  Dude has no seperation compared to what he once was.  Right now he looks like 10lbs of shit in a 2lbs bag.

[pumpster]

that's a fair comparison.......to what excactly?  You've got a black and white shot of Dorain showing size and condition and a shadowy shot of Ronnie showing...what?  Size?  Well it's already been established that Ron has size...this comparison sucks.

Natural batting 1000 when it comes to confusion.hahahahha
Batting .0000 when it comes to content.

[pumpster]

the reason you can't see much detail genius is because they're inside a gym not on the stage

THEN STOP RELYING ON THOSE SAME PICS.

those forearms sure looks in proportion with those biceps/triceps 

ND's ENTIRE strategy to prevent further damage to his reputation now focuses on Coleman's forearms. hahahahahhahahaha

[natural al]

Natural batting 1000 when it comes to confusion.hahahahha
Batting .0000 when it comes to content.

well since you didn't point out excactly what your "great" comparison shots were supposed to show I'll just assume you didn't know yourself.  Let's see...lets post a gym shot of a guy a few weeks out with good light and compare it to a silloute shot of a guy on stage where you can see no detail, no seperation...no anything.  You did this to show how much Detail Dorian gave up to be this big?   Dude, I don't know who was better, dorian or ronnie but the one thing this thread has proven is that you are a total jack ass.  Conspiricy?  Couldn't prove it could ya?  Now all you do is post moronic pics that don't show dick and call people names.  Man, you're the biggest idiot I've ever seen on these boards.  You need to shut the hell up becuase you're making a fool of yourself.

You want to talk about content?  About 100 pages ago we went at it about Haney and what did you have to say?  It was a conspiricy and that it was a conspiricy that Robby didn't win an Olympia, it was a conspiricy that Dorian was an instant success and Ronnie floundered.  When I asked you to explain yourself you didn't say jack.  You've offered nothing to this topic except the same pics over and over again.  No logic, no nothing just hersay and assumptions.  At least I offer a view point and can back it up with logical statements, you offer nothing.  You say nothing cause you know nothing.  I don't give a fuck if you were backstage 30 years ago, you're a jackass when it comes to this sport and a jackass when it comes to debating a point.  You got anything concrete to back anything you say up?  No. 

And before you go and say it...I also think there was some hanky panky going on with some shows but I don't blame everything I disagree with on that.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Monster balance  

[NarcissisticDeity]

THEN STOP RELYING ON THOSE SAME PICS.
ND's ENTIRE strategy to prevent further damage to his reputation now focuses on Coleman's forearms. hahahahahhahahaha

No crackpot its called balance & proportion or lack there of , and I've been complainig about that since day one and Fenix asked for proof and I provided

And stop relying on those same pics? yawn hypocrite who keeps posting pics of Dorian from the 1997 Mr Olympia , you're mother should have been pro choice  .

[Praetor Fenix]

yeah, that's a fair comparison.......to what excactly?  You've got a black and white shot of Dorain showing size and condition and a shadowy shot of Ronnie showing...what?  Size?  Well it's already been established that Ron has size...this comparison sucks.

First, let me preface my parapraph with the following: you are really annoying and contribute nothing to this thread. Its obvious you were recruited by ND for the sake of greater numbers. Its painfully evident that you don't have the foggiest f*cking idea what is really going on in here. ND has sent you to the front lines despite the fact you haven't gone through bootcamp / AIT.
That is ND's strategy though, quantity at the expense of quality and content. He figures a browser will see his massive comma-filled paragraphs and assume he is knowledgeable since he produced so much information. In reality, he is merely copy & pasting old shit and making a few minor changes here and there.

That said, Yates is not in contest condition in that picture. We all know that Ronnie dwarfs Dorian, so I'm not entirely sure what that picture is intended to prove. However, that photo DOES portray Dorian as larger than the others, so it is ND's desperate attempt to show that Yates has comparable muscularity, which he does not. Most of the flaws are painfully evident.

ND was trying to argue that Yates is LARGER and more muscular in that picture than Ronnie. So as a result, pumpster posts a picture of a much larger Coleman at a similar juncture in his contest preparation, making Dorian look rather light. You really need to read some of these posts first and educate yourself, your blind defense of ND and Dorian is comical...

[NarcissisticDeity]

well since you didn't point out excactly what your "great" comparison shots were supposed to show I'll just assume you didn't know yourself.  Let's see...lets post a gym shot of a guy a few weeks out with good light and compare it to a silloute shot of a guy on stage where you can see no detail, no seperation...no anything.  You did this to show how much Detail Dorian gave up to be this big?   Dude, I don't know who was better, dorian or ronnie but the one thing this thread has proven is that you are a total jack ass.  Conspiricy?  Couldn't prove it could ya?  Now all you do is post moronic pics that don't show dick and call people names.  Man, you're the biggest idiot I've ever seen on these boards.  You need to shut the hell up becuase you're making a fool of yourself.

You want to talk about content?  About 100 pages ago we went at it about Haney and what did you have to say?  It was a conspiricy and that it was a conspiricy that Robby didn't win an Olympia, it was a conspiricy that Dorian was an instant success and Ronnie floundered.  When I asked you to explain yourself you didn't say jack.  You've offered nothing to this topic except the same pics over and over again.  No logic, no nothing just hersay and assumptions.  At least I offer a view point and can back it up with logical statements, you offer nothing.  You say nothing cause you know nothing.  I don't give a f**k if you were backstage 30 years ago, you're a jackass when it comes to this sport and a jackass when it comes to debating a point.  You got anything concrete to back anything you say up?  No. 

And before you go and say it...I also think there was some hanky panky going on with some shows but I don't blame everything I disagree with on that.

Man Al just owned you on an epic scale lol

[Praetor Fenix]

Monster balance  

Lets not go there...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  

[Praetor Fenix]

He doesn't look good in this shot.  What year was this?

Probably 2002 Olympia. Coleman's biceps really flattened out that year. Atrophied.


Still doesn't change the fact that he has the best biceps in the history of bodybuilding.

SICK!