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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3825 on: June 08, 2006, 08:01:30 PM »
His scale weight at that time doesn't mean anything. Its not as though this 250lbs was the same quality as his package in 1999. Secondly, you forget that a reigning Mr. Olympia rarely loses, even if the competition happens to be better the day of the contest.
1994, 2001, 2002 are relevant examples.
We shouldn't factor in the incumbent advantage the current Mr.Olympia has always enjoyed.

Now you are wandering into the hypothetical again. We are comparing real peak forms.
None of this "what if" bullshit ... you can't combine pre-injury Dorian's best with more muscle.
While you're at it, why not give Dorian Flex's biceps and Platz's quadriceps...  ::)

So you do acknowledge that Coleman improved in 1998-1999. Why do you continue to cite this 8:0 statistic when even you recognize that Coleman was better in '98 than he was in previous years. Why do you continue to ignore the incumbent advantage the Mr.Olympia will invariably enjoy? Ronnie beat Cutler in 2001, it doesnt necessarily mean Ronnie was better than Cutler on the day of the 2001 Mr. Olympia contest though.

You keep repeating this argument, but you have yet to address my counterevidence.
I have clearly established that Ronnie would win 2003/2004 under standard IFBB protocol.
You have yet to prove otherwise.



I'm actually off to bed but one I don't have to prove anything to you , you're not an IFBB judge therefore you opinion is about as good as mine even though you're under the delusion you're correct and using your interpretation of IFBB protocal , in the end I'll side with Lee Priest who feels Dorian would beat Ronnie easy

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3826 on: June 08, 2006, 08:13:05 PM »
I'm actually off to bed but one I don't have to prove anything to you , you're not an IFBB judge therefore you opinion is about as good as mine even though you're under the delusion you're correct and using your interpretation of IFBB protocal , in the end I'll side with Lee Priest who feels Dorian would beat Ronnie easy

Too bad IFBB judges can't simply do whatever they want when they want with no semblance of protocol. Why judge the physiques, when you can judge the color of the trunks or the hairstyles?Manion has explicitly outlined the judges' criteria on several occasions. Fact is, you don't like it because it isn't in Dorian's favor.

Manion's protocol > Lee Priest's opinion

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3827 on: June 08, 2006, 08:31:29 PM »
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3828 on: June 08, 2006, 08:35:22 PM »
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Give him a break-tomorrow's probably the last day of the school year for 8th graders.  ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3829 on: June 08, 2006, 09:08:05 PM »
You compare shots with both of them at their worst? What is that supposed to prove?
We are concerned with their peak forms, respectively, and how they stack up with one another.
Fact is, Dorian has far less density, balance, and proportion than Ronnie at his best.
Attempting to prove that Ronnie has looked worse at one point in his career means nothing.

  Moron. It was YOU who insisted on comparing them at their worst, when you brought up his 2003 and 2004 forms. Ronnie looks DISGUSTING at over 280+ lbs. Disgusting! The fact that you praise that shit goes to show you like the Greg Kovacs school of MASSbuilding. You're way out of your league, gaming geek. Why was Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray some of the most dominant biodybuilders ever, even though the former competed around 230 lbs and the latter, around 210 lbs? Because they had superb balance&proportions, with great details and striations.

  Ronnie in 2003 had huge size and good - not great - hardness, but his degree of separation, striations and proportions was CLEARLY inferior to Dorian's. I posted the pics of the 270 lbs Dorian because you brought up the argument of pure size. I mean, if we're going to ignore bodybuilding criteria of having even acceptble taper, passable details and proportions, then let's compare the largest version of Dorian to the largest of Ronnie! Game on, bitch! Why? Because the worst of Dorian, his 270 lbs version,CLEARLY
defeats both of the largest versions of Ronnie. How? With greater fullness, hardness and STILL better proportions!

  I posted those abs-and-thighs shot and was appalled to see you thought Coleman's comes even close. No way, dude. Dorian SOUNDLY defeats him at that pose, both at 257 lbs as well as 270 lbs. In both these versions, he has clearly better taper, is harder, has better dryness and superior balance&proportions than Ronnie. Dorian's abs-and-thighs, at 270 lbs, raping Ronnie big time! ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3830 on: June 08, 2006, 09:28:02 PM »
  Ronnie's side triceps shot is DEFECTIVE, because his outer triceps muscle belly is short compared to Dorian's. Do you even grasp the concept of a muscle belly? Clearly not. I don't care one bit what Dorian's triceps look like in poses other than the side triceps shot, because the only mandatory, especifically created to show the triceps, is the side triceps shot. In all other poses, the triceps is a seconday muscle and is judged as such. Ronnie has a CLEARLY inferior side triceps compared to Dorian's, for his outer triceps belly is short and his overall triceps mass is overwhelmed by his biceps; hell, it's overwhelmed by his brachialis, for f**k sake!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3831 on: June 08, 2006, 10:12:02 PM »
apparently, Suckmyasshole can't see the videos either ::).
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3832 on: June 08, 2006, 10:25:06 PM »
that video of ronnie from 2002 fuggin blew my mind  :o One of the best showing of ronnie Ive ever seen!
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3833 on: June 09, 2006, 01:45:14 AM »
Here are a few comparisons. I tried to find their best pics (preferably full body shot).








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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3834 on: June 09, 2006, 02:32:32 AM »
more comparisons








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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3835 on: June 09, 2006, 02:39:02 AM »
last comparison for now




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3836 on: June 09, 2006, 02:49:29 AM »
The pics say it all. A complete dominance on ronnies behalf. Only the remedials are not cognizant of this.

Side chest - ronnie
Abs and thigh - dorian
Relaxed - ronnie
Back double bi - ronnie
MM - ronnie

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3837 on: June 09, 2006, 05:05:41 AM »

yawn , the fact you find this acceptable and even admirable is the joke , this is not bodybuilding , this is the antithesis of everything that is wrong with the sport today .

So you're saying it's the opposite of everything that's wrong with the sport today?

I think Hulkster just won the debate!


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3838 on: June 09, 2006, 05:36:35 AM »
Too bad IFBB judges can't simply do whatever they want when they want with no semblance of protocol. Why judge the physiques, when you can judge the color of the trunks or the hairstyles?Manion has explicitly outlined the judges' criteria on several occasions. Fact is, you don't like it because it isn't in Dorian's favor.

Manion's protocol > Lee Priest's opinion

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Certain objective criteria are involved in assessing symmetry and natural aesthetics in competitive bodybuilding. Of great significance are the qualities of balance, proportion and overall "flow" of the physique, including classic attributes such as a dramatic "V taper," from broad shoulders and a wide back to a streamlined waist and a flat, muscular abdomen. In addition, there should be balance between upper and lower body development, and harmony between the left and right sides of the body. These characteristics have been the hallmark of a bodybuilder's physique for decades, and it is the intent of this Advisory Notice to reaffirm their significance.

Distended abdomens and distorted muscles negatively impact upon symmetry and natural aesthetics and, therefore, detract from the overall physique. Athletes and judges are advised that muscle size at the expense of symmetry and natural aesthetics will not be assessed favorably.


This is an IFBB Pro Divsion issued mandate and the IFBB judges did not follow it , the top three at the 2005 Mr Olympia all had GUTS , clearly visable , distended guts that detracts from the overall physique , so when you say the IFBB judges can't do what they want thats obviously not true

Oh and I don't like the rules because they're not in Dorian's favor? he beat people with a torn bicep/tricep/quad obviously the judging worked in his favor even when it shouldn't have , I was complaining about Dorian's thick obliques & wide waist back in 1993 !! nevermind what Coleman's gut has become !! they should've givin Flex the title despite not being as dry , but nope the sport was so impressed with just how big and how dry Yates go get that took precidence over everything else , Yates could litteraly tear muscles from the bone and he would win as long as he was massive & dry

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3839 on: June 09, 2006, 05:42:29 AM »
So you're saying it's the opposite of everything that's wrong with the sport today?

I think Hulkster just won the debate!



Whoa you got me there lol I meant to say its the antithesis of everything right with the sport !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3840 on: June 09, 2006, 06:17:26 AM »
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Lee Priest's opinion > Praetor Fenix

Obnoxious and typically ND; how do you know that exactly? Another flawed assumption that presumes that Priest is stable and cogent. hahahahhahahahahahahha

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3841 on: June 09, 2006, 08:23:15 AM »
apparently, Suckmyasshole can't see the videos either ::).


  You mean the video of the 2002 O, Huckster? I've seen it and Ronnie, at 240+ lbs, has flat muscles, little echiness and detail, and...a gut! :o :-\ Cutler was the clear winner of that contest. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3842 on: June 09, 2006, 08:34:46 AM »
isn't this the longest fucking thread on getbig
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3843 on: June 09, 2006, 08:35:46 AM »
Obnoxious and typically ND; how do you know that exactly? Another flawed assumption that presumes that Priest is stable and cogent. hahahahhahahahahahahha

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3844 on: June 09, 2006, 08:46:35 AM »
Oh boy  ::)

c'mon ND...you know if someone agree's with you they must be mentally unstable..at least in pumpsters mind.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3845 on: June 09, 2006, 08:58:41 AM »
I'm flattered to have "natural" as my own getbig stalker-even if it's just the latest of his excuses for contributing nothing worth reading. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3846 on: June 09, 2006, 09:01:05 AM »
c'mon ND...you know if someone agree's with you they must be mentally unstable..at least in pumpsters mind.

Some times he says something that almost sounds reasonable , it gives you a glimmer of hope that he'll say something of value and then he continues with his nonsense lol but I guess its my fault for wanting to give him the bennefit of the doubt  ???

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3847 on: June 09, 2006, 09:06:33 AM »
Thanks for all the attention. Attention understandably diverted, from this....

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3848 on: June 09, 2006, 09:27:01 AM »
Lee Priest's opinion > Praetor Fenix


The opinion of a pro can be biased for the worse, especially if you were on stage against the person you are commenting on.

If you want to throw in pro opinions, have a read at the Myth's comments:

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Physique wise, who do you consider to be the best bodybuilder?

SO: There are a few. One of the best right now is Flex Wheeler. I also like Shawn Ray and Ron Coleman.

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Then there's Dorian Yates. He has a belly like a cow and no arms. That is not a complete physique.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3849 on: June 09, 2006, 09:38:38 AM »
I'm flattered to have "natural" as my own getbig stalker-even if it's just the latest of his excuses for contributing nothing worth reading. ;D

don't stalk ya slick, it's just that you're such a moron if I see you're name in the "last post" spot on the board I read it, especially in this thread cause just when I think you can't say anything more stupid you top yourself.  As far as not contributing, what have you contibuted to this thread?  lets see....hearsay....and the same pics over and over again....that's just about it.
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