Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

BTW, Hulkster, that shot of Ronnie demolishes Dorian anytime and anyplace.

agreed. Way more detail from head to toe. And we all know their lats are pretty even.  But of course had the two been standing side by side, the taper advantage would also have gone to Ronnie by virtue of the smaller waist.

That is one thing that these guys can't seem to grasp:

All of these supposedly "good taper" shots of Dorian are taken ALONE. Put him next to someone else, and this is what you find:


he gets owned.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, you contradict yourself again.  Why is it that Levrone is specifically talking about Ronnie only?  I imagine that he didn't equate Yates with a wasp waist.  Be reasonable and admit that Dorian started this crap of the large waisted, humongo bodybuilder and Coleman has taken it to the next level.    BTW, Priest has never been one of the elite; he is true B tier.  Oliva, however, is a bodybuildng god and I would take his assertions on who is a good bodybuilder a lot more than Priest's opinions.  Regardless, I would love to get the opinion of other bodybuilders like Luke Wood, Phil Heath, Jones, etc.  That would be interesting.  A competitor I know who is top three Mr. Florida heavies feels that Ronnie is unbeatable when he is on.  Thus, there are a lot of opinions.  I am sure there are those who feel the same about Yates 1993 or Haney 1991.  It is all subjective.

How did I contradict myself? This is from Flex magazine Feb 2002

quote Kevin Levrone

The plain truth is that I beat Ronnie last year [2000] and Jay Cutler beat Ronnie this year. You should not win the Mr. Olympia if your stomach is hanging out -- period. Last year, I patted Ronnie's stomach during the posedown to draw attention to the fact that he was bloated. That tactic obviously didn't work, and Ronnie beat me in the posedown to successfully defend his title for a third straight Mr. O triumph.


So now the show rolls around and Jay Cutler beats Ronnie in both prejudging rounds: symmetry and muscularity. Ronnie was spilling over with too much water during the muscularity round, and Cutler took it to him in many of the poses that Coleman usually dominates.

How can Cutler lose this contest if he wins in both symmetry and muscularity? How can Ronnie retain his title if his midsection is bloated and distended? Why should the fans get behind a champion who can't present an aesthetic image of what bodybuilding is supposed to be all about?

I'm talking about classical proportions, perfect symmetry and ideal conditioning. Based on that ideal, I should have won the Sandow in 2000, and Cutler should have taken it in 2001.

The fans deserve better than what they are getting. I'm already working hard to ensure that, in 2002, a true peoples' champ can strip the title away from Ronnie Coleman.

The sad part is Levrone got shafted again in 2002   and I've maintained since 1993 I don't know how Dorian could have won in 1993 with a wide waist and thick obliques nevermind the full blown GH gut Coleman has , I was routing for Flex in 93  

[Hulkster]

Funny how Kevin is quick to criticize Ronnie for having a gut in 2000, but fails to acknowledge that he had no back, biceps or quads that year either..


  Sorry, in 2002, Ronnie probably deserved to lose. But in 2000, even though he was not in the best condition, he did not have the competition needed to best him - a lot of guys showed up in "off" condition that year, including the first three finishers - ronnie, Kevin and Flex, who got his spot on name alone. Shawn got shafted and probably should have even placed second that year as well.

check out the 2000 vid on youtube. Ronnie was still dominant that year, even with a "tummy"

[NarcissisticDeity]

agreed. Way more detail from head to toe. And we all know their lats are pretty even.  But of course had the two been standing side by side, the taper advantage would also have gone to Ronnie by virtue of the smaller waist.

That is one thing that these guys can't seem to grasp:

All of these supposedly "good taper" shots of Dorian are taken ALONE. Put him next to someone else, and this is what you find:


he gets owned.

Your theory about taper chalks up to fantasy , you've got this idea that Ronnie's taper would be the trump card to beat Dorian that its some magical edge that can't be overcome lol take a look at this shot the " blocky white guy " with taper thats NOT even on par with Dorian nevermind Ronnie and pssssssstttt guess what? he beat Ronnie and his superior taper in both the symmetry round & muscularity round   he also beat Ronnie despite NOT having striated glutes like Ronnies as well

Dorian beat some of the most aesthetic & symmetrical bodybuilders in the history of the sport , he didn't beat them at their game , he beat them with his game which was size & dryness , balance & proportion , density & detail


countdown to the excuses 3.....2.....1.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Funny how Kevin is quick to criticize Ronnie for having a gut in 2000, but fails to acknowledge that he had no back, biceps or quads that year either..

  Sorry, in 2002, Ronnie probably deserved to lose. But in 2000, even though he was not in the best condition, he did not have the competition needed to best him - a lot of guys showed up in "off" condition that year, including the first three finishers - ronnie, Kevin and Flex, who got his spot on name alone. Shawn got shafted and probably should have even placed second that year as well.

check out the 2000 vid on youtube. Ronnie was still dominant that year, even with a "tummy"

A GH gut is worse than having ' no ' legs or back as you lamented , its automatic failure , its not bodybuilding !!

[Hulkster]

Dorian beat some of the most aesthetic & symmetrical bodybuilders in the history of the sport , he didn't beat them at their game , he beat them with his game which was size & dryness , balance & proportion , density & detail

no, Dorian beat his (much better quality but smaller and narrower) opponents with size.

He NEVER face someone who had a great taper with width and size (and a back).

He faced narrow, smaller guys like Flex and Shawn.

He faced Paul who had a great taper but was the sports worst poser and had no back.

He NEVER faced anyone even CLOSE to a peak Ronnie, who had the quality that shawn and flex had but combined it with a great taper and an amazingly wide and thick back.

If dorian faced someone who had these attributes all rolled into one like a peak ronnie had, I'd like to see him.

[FREAKgeek]

Funny how Kevin is quick to criticize Ronnie for having a gut in 2000, but fails to acknowledge that he had no back, biceps or quads that year either..

Also oversized delts that made his chest small - yet some fans like that look.
The guy trained 1/2 the year for the Olympia and has the genes to responded like a weed to pharmaceuticals. I'm glad he never won it.

[LuciusFox]

 Ronnie is greater than Dorian. End of story.

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, Dorian beat his (much better quality but smaller and narrower) opponents with size.

He NEVER face someone who had a great taper with width and size (and a back).

He faced narrow, smaller guys like Flex and Shawn.

He faced Paul who had a great taper but was the sports worst poser and had no back.



If dorian faced someone who had these attributes all rolled into one like a peak ronnie had, I'd like to see him.

OWNED  by a blocky white guy with no taper and no striated glutes lol

[Hulkster]

Your theory about taper chalks up to fantasy , you've got this idea that Ronnie's taper would be the trump card to beat Dorian that its some magical edge that can't be overcome lol take a look at this shot the " blocky white guy " with taper thats NOT even on par with Dorian nevermind Ronnie and pssssssstttt guess what? he beat Ronnie and his superior taper in both the symmetry round & muscularity round   he also beat Ronnie despite NOT having striated glutes like Ronnies as well

Dorian beat some of the most aesthetic & symmetrical bodybuilders in the history of the sport , he didn't beat them at their game , he beat them with his game which was size & dryness , balance & proportion , density & detail


countdown to the excuses 3.....2.....1.

how about countdown to a retarded argument? You are saying that because Jay (who had a worse taper than Ronnie) nearly beat Ronnie in 2001 that taper would not matter with Dorian?

Ronnie was in really, really bad shape in 2001.

So, all of the OTHER advantages that he usually had were GONE.

You can't win a show strictly based on taper.

but you can if combine taper with size, detail etc.

You act as if taper is the only thing that ronnie had over dorian.

It is not, but you are missing the point. You always try and isolate physical traits.

You can't do that.

You have to look at the overall picture.

Sure, Ronnie had a better taper than Yates. But that is not why he would win.

he would win because he combines this attribute with others like detail, shape and vascuarity forming a package that makes dorian look outclassed in both the pics and the videos on this thread.

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, Dorian beat his (much better quality but smaller and narrower) opponents with size.

He NEVER face someone who had a great taper with width and size (and a back).

He faced narrow, smaller guys like Flex and Shawn.

He faced Paul who had a great taper but was the sports worst poser and had no back.

He NEVER faced anyone even CLOSE to a peak Ronnie, who had the quality that shawn and flex had but combined it with a great taper and an amazingly wide and thick back.

If dorian faced someone who had these attributes all rolled into one like a peak ronnie had, I'd like to see him.

He NEVER face someone who had a great taper with width and size (and a back).

wrong

[Hulkster]

ND, so you are saying that Dorian did face someone with the taper, size, detail and a back in Lee Haney.

fair enough.

Now, did Yates win?

No.

Thanks for proving my point that Dorian would lose.

[pumpster]

so you are saying that Dorian did face someone with the taper, size, detail and a back in Lee Haney.

fair enough.

Now, did Yates win?

No.

Thanks for proving my point that Dorian would lose.

ND with another losing proposition...

[NarcissisticDeity]

how about countdown to a retarded argument? You are saying that because Jay (who had a worse taper than Ronnie) nearly beat Ronnie in 2001 that taper would not matter with Dorian?

Ronnie was in really, really bad shape in 2001.

So, all of the OTHER advantages that he usually had were GONE.

You can't win a show strictly based on taper.

but you can if combine taper with size, detail etc.

You act as if taper is the only thing that ronnie had over dorian.

It is not, but you are missing the point. You always try and isolate physical traits.

You can't do that.

You have to look at the overall picture.

Sure, Ronnie had a better taper than Yates. But that is not why he would win.

he would win because he combines this attribute with others like detail, shape and vascuarity forming a package that makes dorian look outclassed in both the pics and the videos on this thread.

No you keep clinging to his fantasy that Ronnie's taper is so much of an advantage for Dorian to overcome , its not Dorian doesn't have to beat Ronnie at his game and again like Lee Priest Dorian is more complete and dryer couple that with Dorian's advantages , denisty , detail , thickness , balance & proportion and your boy goes down , Jay basically beat Ronnie because he was dry and Ronnie was soft , he didn't beat him because he had a better taper , higher peaked biceps , striated glutes or better quad sweap , and just think Cutler's dryness was never on par with Dorians or his back !!

[Hulkster]

ND is at such a loss for how to respond to this brutal owning that he is starting to argue against himself!

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, so you are saying that Dorian did face someone with the taper, size, detail and a back in Lee Haney.

fair enough.

Now, did Yates win?

No.

Thanks for proving my point that Dorian would lose.

I didn't lose anything , this is your quote

He NEVER face someone who had a great taper with width and size (and a back).

you said he NEVER faced someone who had a great taper with width and size , and I proved you wrong , period .  you didn't ask me if he ever beat anyone with that criteria and he did beat Haney in the musculairty round , so you're wrong again !!

He faced Paul Dillet who had a greater taper than Coleman ever had , he had width and thickness , he just lacked great detail !! and he beat Ronnie in 1997 while NO peak-Ronnie as you love to say , he still had a great taper , with width and size , he just lacked dryness , so you're wrong again !!

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND is at such a loss for how to respond to this brutal owning that he is starting to argue against himself!

LMFAO where is this imaginary owning?

[NarcissisticDeity]

 

He NEVER face someone who had a great taper with width and size (and a back).

Great taper , width and size    , Dorian beat him too !!

[NarcissisticDeity]

He NEVER face someone who had a great taper with width and size (and a back).

Dorian beat him too , and he had a great taper with width and size 

[NarcissisticDeity]

He NEVER face someone who had a great taper with width and size (and a back).

Dorian beat him too and he has a great taper with width and size 

[davidpaul]

bump

[pumpster]

What's interesting is how little response ND provides when owned, as proven with videos posted at least twice, TO DEAFENING SILENCE..STILL WAITING..

[NarcissisticDeity]

What's interesting is how little response ND provides when owned, as proven with videos posted at least twice, TO DEAFENING SILENCE..STILL WAITING..

What are you kidding me? lol Hulkster and Camp-Coleman just took a hammering and Natural AL beat you into submission , so like Hulkster go lick your wounds 

Man owned by a blocky white guy lol with no taper

[pumpster]

This guy simply cannot address reality, reverts to trying to change the subject with more pics.

Also left completely ignored was the serious likelihood that at least 2 of Yates' Olympias were tarnished in no small way. Obviously it's inexplicable how he won some of them save for commercial interests:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=76114.0

[NarcissisticDeity]

This guy simply cannot address reality, reverts to trying to change the subject with more pics.

Also left completely ignored was the serious likelihood that at least 2 of Yates' Olympias were tarnished in no small way. Obviously it's inexplicable how he won some of them save for commercial interests:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=76114.0

Yawn