Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[ribonucleic]

Bitch tits.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Bitch tits.

Real bitch tits lol

[pumpster]

Yates does a good job of hiding the deficiencies in this shot. Looks fine-then is thrashed by comparison... the contrast is EMBARASSING.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Standing Relaxed

[ribonucleic]

What's with the hair?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yates does a good job of hiding the deficiencies in this shot. Looks fine-then is thrashed by comparison... the contrast is EMBARASSING.

I like how you can see Coleman's glutes sticking out from the front lol thats not overdevelopment 

[pumpster]

I like how you can see Coleman's glutes sticking out from the front lol thats not overdevelopment 

He tries to ignore overwhelming evidence AGAIN by trying to obsess on only one point. Pathetic, you're toast.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie getting owned by a ' blocky white guy "

[pumpster]

Let's run that again as he once again posts without addressing the evidence, the domination and his own humiliation:

[The Master]

this thread is still shorter than the Arvilla thread  

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oh man lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie's viscious V-taper and amazing X-frame from 2003  ( on-stage )

[Louis Cipher]

Standing Relaxed

Is that really relaxed? With the arms so wide apart

[NarcissisticDeity]

the 2003 masterpeice backstage

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hey Hulkster 245lbs and he looks like shit !! nice gut 

[pumpster]

Like the videos, pics & getbig poll, ND proves once again that ignoring reality works some of the time but not today. Dominance...deal with it..hahahhahahahah

[pumpster]

Classic Yates gut shot with no size.

In contests, Coleman still has a pronounced taper on frontal shots-only has issues on side shots.

Yates had problems from all angles because of the thick waist + gut + less size to offset = virtually no taper.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Classic Yates gut shot with no size:

Ronnie's gut shot despite being 25lbs lighter than Dorian 

[Praetor Fenix]

You ask for proof of imbalance I post it and you deny it you're blind seriously , you're obviously clueless or don't care about balance but that is part of the IFBB Professional judging criteria

You put up a few pictures? That hardly constitutes evidence if nobody other than yourself can see what the hell you are trying to prove.  I understand balance is an element, but it has to be an obvious imbalance.

his hamstrings are out of balance with his quadriceps GIGANTIC quads leg biceps that aren't in proportion with his quads

Nice syntax. 
Seriously, there is no basis for you to make this assertion.
There is no visible imbalance whatsoever, let alone a strikingly obvious one.

This strategy of yours is so transparent. It worked for quads/calves, so you attempted to apply the same reasoning to his forearms/upper arms (bullshit) and deltoids/upper arms (utter bullshit). Now, you are doing the same thing in the lower body - glutes andhamstrings/quadriceps.

You know you can't argue muscle size since its blatantly obvious who is larger.
Can't argue against Dorian's clear lack of muscle detail.

So you rely on these subjective "imbalance" perspectives that require no objective defense.
I can simply pick two bodyparts, claim they are imbalanced, and there is little the other person can do to prove otherwise since its such a subjective topic in the first place.

Regardless, superior quadriceps/hamstrings/glutes that are out of balance will always win against a clearly inferior set of quadriceps/hamstrings/glutes that are in perfect balance. Balance does not compensate for muscle size or quality.

We will gladly concede to you any imbalance we can clearly see (quads/calves).
The others we refuse to acknowledge because there is absolutely no supporting evidence.

look at his sidechest shot his hams look small due to his glutes which insert so low 

No, they don't look small.

Ronnie Coleman has the best hamstring development in bodybuilding currently.

His glutes don't insert low fool ... its just the fact that they are so well developed. You demonstrate your ignorance once again, because in reality, the insertion point of the gluteus maximus is not visible and is well below the "cutoff" point where you can see the actual muscle.
So in otherwords, his gluteus maximus insertion tendon may be very low, or it may be very high, either way we'll never know and its not going to impact the appearance of his glutes whatsoever. Nice try though. Your arguments grow more ridiculous by the day.

and show me a quote where Manion says muscle matrurity is part of the IFBB judging criteria

First off, it is universally known that muscle maturity is an element of IFBB judgment criteria.
Its as common-sense as recognizing that actual muscular development is an important factor.

Secondly, Manion stated this explicitly backstage in a pre-Olympia interview with Solomon.
It was conducted for the PPV audience, and although recorded, I doubt there is a printed transcript available.

[pumpster]

Classic Yates gut shot with no size:

Ronnie's gut shot despite being 25lbs lighter than Dorian

ND doing exceedingly well playing dumb-he posts more side-shots of Coleman after his gut's already been acknowledged. hahahahahhahaha

[NarcissisticDeity]

You put up a few pictures? That hardly constitutes evidence if nobody other than yourself can see what the hell you are trying to prove.  I understand balance is an element, but it has to be an obvious imbalance.

Nice syntax. 
Seriously, there is no basis for you to make this assertion.
There is no visible imbalance whatsoever, let alone a strikingly obvious one.

This strategy of yours is so transparent. It worked for quads/calves, so you attempted to apply the same reasoning to his forearms/upper arms (bullshit) and deltoids/upper arms (utter bullshit). Now, you are doing the same thing in the lower body - glutes andhamstrings/quadriceps.

You know you can't argue muscle size since its blatantly obvious who is larger.
Can't argue against Dorian's clear lack of muscle detail.

So you rely on these subjective "imbalance" perspectives that require no objective defense.
I can simply pick two bodyparts, claim they are imbalanced, and there is little the other person can do to prove otherwise since its such a subjective topic in the first place.

Regardless, superior quadriceps/hamstrings/glutes that are out of balance will always win against a clearly inferior set of quadriceps/hamstrings/glutes that are in perfect balance. Balance does not compensate for muscle size or quality.

We will gladly concede to you any imbalance we can clearly see (quads/calves).
The others we refuse to acknowledge because there is absolutely no supporting evidence.

No, they don't look small.

Ronnie Coleman has the best hamstring development in bodybuilding currently.

His glutes don't insert low fool ... its just the fact that they are so well developed. You demonstrate your ignorance once again, because in reality, the insertion point of the gluteus maximus is not visible and is well below the "cutoff" point where you can see the actual muscle.
So in otherwords, his gluteus maximus insertion tendon may be very low, or it may be very high, either way we'll never know and its not going to impact the appearance of his glutes whatsoever. Nice try though. Your arguments grow more ridiculous by the day.

First off, it is universally known that muscle maturity is an element of IFBB judgment criteria.
Its as common-sense as recognizing that actual muscular development is an important factor.

Secondly, Manion stated this explicitly backstage in a pre-Olympia interview with Solomon.
It was conducted for the PPV audience, and although recorded, I doubt there is a printed transcript available.

I like how you gloss over the fact that Ronnie's balance & proportion is a severe liabilty , I've pointed out his numerous imbalances in both words & pictures and you're in denile , I've posted pictures of his distended gut onstage and you dismissed that as well , I've posted pictures of his lack of crisp muscularity and once again Fenix ignores that

Here is a quote from Wayne Demilla " I've said to Ronnie , " What you've got to realize is that in 98-99 you were probably in the best proportion you could be for your frame . Those muscles have gotten bigger. Just cos you're bigger , doesn't make you better . "

I've maintained that from day one its painfully obvious Coleman has gone out of his frame in reguards to balance & proportion and in 2003 it was in the red !! so was his belly distention , and his conditioning was no where near as sharp as it was

And I've followed bodybuilding for a LONG time and I've never once heard muscle maturity is part of the judging criteria I would like you to show me something that says this

And as far as my ' syntax ' give me a fucking break , seriously I've been up since 4:00 a.m. I've worked 12 1/2 hours today and I'm just a tad tired so please forgive my syntax error you gramma-nazi

2003 his phsyique set new stardards for size & acceptable conditioning but when you look at his previous versions it was a disaster .

[Praetor Fenix]

I like how you gloss over the fact that Ronnie's balance & proportion is a severe liabilty , I've pointed out his numerous imbalances in both words & pictures and you're in denile , I've posted pictures of his distended gut onstage and you dismissed that as well , I've posted pictures of his lack of crisp muscularity and once again Fenix ignores that

No. I am readily willing to acknowledge any imbalance I can visually observe. Fact is, the "imbalances" you have been pointing out are non-existent. I didn't complain when you stated his calves/quadriceps were imbalanced, did I? Face it, you just use this imbalance excuse at every possible opportunity because it is impossible to concretely refute, regardless of whether or not it is actually right.

"Lack of 'crisp' muscularity" ... whatever. You tried density beforehand, I adequately defined it and proved that you were wrong. This is just one of your new buzzwords ... nothing more.

Ronnie has more detail. Most of Ronnie's muscles have far better separation and distinction.
Dorian's "grain" disappears in color photography. He has no underlying detail for his dryness.
Ronnie's muscle maturity, muscle density, and muscle layering are far better too.
So if "crisp muscularity" is just another word for "dryness", so be it.

All of your gut shots are backstage or IN TRANSITION DURING THE EVENING ROUND.

Here is a quote from Wayne Demilla " I've said to Ronnie , " What you've got to realize is that in 98-99 you were probably in the best proportion you could be for your frame . Those muscles have gotten bigger. Just cos you're bigger , doesn't make you better . "

a) Wayne DeMilia is no longer with the IFBB.
b) DeMilia always believed Ronnie was the superior athlete (even in 2001 and 2002).
c) That statement has NOTHING to do with Dorian.

What is that quote supposed to prove ND? It is an entirely separate debate.
Ronnie's Best Showing is not the title of this thread.
I chose to defend 2003 Coleman against any of Dorian's years. Whether or not that is Ron's personal best is irrelevant. Just happens to be my favorite, and it still crushes 'peak' Dorian.

Wayne never said Ronnie lost his proportion, simply that it was better in 1998-1999.
Just because he feels it was at its worst in 2003/2004 doesn't mean that it was bad overall.
Regardless, Dorian could never hang with Ronnie's muscle size, symmetry, or level of detail.

I've maintained that from day one its painfully obvious Coleman has gone out of his frame in reguards to balance & proportion and in 2003 it was in the red !! so was his belly distention , and his conditioning was no where near as sharp as it was

His personal track-record is of no matter. In 2003 he would have overwhelmed Dorian.
Aside from quads/calves, you still don't have a valid imbalance argument.
Simply pointing at something you mistakenly perceive does not constitute tangible proof.

Once again, there is no such thing as "overdevelopment" in the IFBB. Only underdevelopment.
...and in Ronnie's case, as the owner of hamstrings/glutes that are second to none there is certainly no imbalance with his incomparable quadriceps. Each bodypart set a precedent. I doubt its even physically possible to have the superior hamstrings development YET have quadriceps so massive that they somehow dwarf the biggest/best hamstrings in the world. Anyway, I perceive no imbalance, and I'm sure you must really strain (or imagine) to see it too.

And I've followed bodybuilding for a LONG time and I've never once heard muscle maturity is part of the judging criteria I would like you to show me something that says this

That is the problem. You live in a fantasy bubble and your ideals have failed to adapt with time.
I'm sorry man ... Frank Zane isn't coming back!

It was on the 2003 PPV, backstage at the Olympia before the evening round commenced.
I didn't record it ... I know of no way to find this footage again.

And as far as my ' syntax ' give me a fucking break , seriously I've been up since 4:00 a.m. I've worked 12 1/2 hours today and I'm just a tad tired so please forgive my syntax error you gramma-nazi

Sorry sir. 

2003 his phsyique set new stardards for size & acceptable conditioning but when you look at his previous versions it was a disaster .

I personally believe 2003 was Ronnie's best show. That is a separate debate though.
It should be apparent by now that 2003 Coleman is my example for the assessment.
Hulkster / pumpster would be more than happy to discuss his lighter packages with you I'm sure.

[Hulkster]

I like how you can see Coleman's glutes sticking out from the front lol thats not overdevelopment 

thats what happens when you have a really small waist..

[Hulkster]

This is what balanced legs look like .

yeah but when you look at his upper body, his calves are too big for his arms..




You go on about Yates great balance and proprotion without even realizing that he is actually less balanced than Ronnie is.  Ronnie's entire body is in balance except for his calves.

Yates has the entire arm complex dwarfed by his calves and a chest that disappears in a lat spread because it is too small for his upper body.


his chest was far undersized (see any most muscular) and his calves were too big.

but no, you can't acknowledge theses flaws now can you?

[Hulkster]

Nothing changes thats why he won almost every single one of his titles with straight firsts in every single round directly compared to other bodybuilders lol so obviously he faired very well agaisnt others .

the others were not an 8 time Mr. Olympia..