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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4700 on: June 27, 2006, 06:21:07 PM »
Imagine how much longer this thread would be if camp-Coleman mentioned Ronnie's undeniable advantages (chest, quadriceps, hamstrings, glutes, biceps, upper back, deltoids) 1/2 as much as camp-Yates reitterates Yates' few advantages (calves, lower back).
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4701 on: June 27, 2006, 06:22:41 PM »
LOL
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4702 on: June 27, 2006, 06:38:25 PM »
WTF ND!  ???  >:(
YOU JUST COPY & PASTE THE ENTIRE IFBB MANUAL AND YOU EXPECT ME TO RESPOND?

Raise some specific points within the document itself that you think are cogent.
Thats weak man ... simply cut and paste a huge mound of shit for me to sift through.
Especially when I have taken the time to draft long, original, and thoughtful responses to even your most absurdly delusional inventions.

So sorry man, I'm not going to peruse through an entire reference manual, though I'll be glad to discuss any specific points of you interest you care to raise in this thread.

Well you and I and in disagreement exactly what the I.F.B.B. rules are so I figured you would read them and what would happen is we would be right back to square one lol arguning over OUR interpretation of the rules or maybe I would just let the dead horse go to heaven .


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4703 on: June 27, 2006, 06:53:34 PM »
why ........... why ...............wont ........................ this ........................ ... thread

































































































die! >:(

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4704 on: June 27, 2006, 07:21:43 PM »

Got Legs? :o

ps- where's the gut? someone call security.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4705 on: June 27, 2006, 07:32:08 PM »

Front double bi:
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The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle
well, dorian loses, chalk one up for ronnie... :)

Front lat spread:

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Then the judge should
continue with the head-to-foot survey, noting first the
general aspectsof the physique and then concentrating on
the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups.
there goes dorian again - great lats, not much else in the pose..

side chest:

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The competitor may choose either side for this pose, in
order to display the “better” arm.
Impossible. sorry, dorian loses out here too 8)

Back double biceps:
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The judge will first survey the arm muscles
man, dorian is really getting killed.. 8)


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4706 on: June 27, 2006, 07:41:12 PM »
Ronnie number one ;D
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4707 on: June 27, 2006, 08:26:23 PM »
truce?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4708 on: June 27, 2006, 08:29:53 PM »
just push some weight!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4709 on: June 27, 2006, 09:18:21 PM »
Imagine how much longer this thread would be if camp-Coleman mentioned Ronnie's undeniable advantages (chest, quadriceps, hamstrings, glutes, biceps, upper back, deltoids) 1/2 as much as camp-Yates reitterates Yates' few advantages (calves, lower back, abdominals, triceps, forearms, chest).

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4710 on: June 27, 2006, 09:32:19 PM »

better chest? I think not. even in contest shape (this shot is offseason) Ronnie's chest was detailed, crisp, vascular and huge.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4711 on: June 27, 2006, 09:39:20 PM »
truce 
n.
A temporary cessation or suspension of hostilities by agreement of the opposing sides; an armistice.
A respite from a disagreeable state of affairs.

tr. & intr.v. truced, truc·ing, truc·es
To end or be ended with a truce.

Its almost at 200 bloody pages! enough!
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4712 on: June 27, 2006, 09:53:52 PM »
fixed!

Abdominals / Triceps / Forearms are arguable.

Chest simply isn't up for debate. Ronnie's chest exceeds Dorian's by miles.
For one, Ronnie's pectorals are larger and more muscular. Secondly, they are more striated than Dorian's. Couple that with greater density, muscle layering, muscle maturity, and overall superior shape (greater development on the outside, on top of the clavicle, and on the sternum). Not to mention Dorian has a weird sternocostal deficiency, some sort of abberation where he can't build muscle on the lower portion of the sternum. It looks awful.

As far as forearms go, Ronnie's are larger on the apex. Dorian's are thicker near the wrist though. I doubt the judges would penalize Ronnie because his forearms have a bit of a taper. I'm not saying Ronnie's forearms are better, but to imply that Dorian's are so much better that the judges would take note and actually factor them into a major portion of the assessment is a mistake. Minor bodypart as is, doesn't compensate for Dorian's numerous flaws.

I refuse to concede triceps. Ronnie's are larger and feature stacked striations.
ND complains the lateral head is thin, but it actually has a larger diameter than Dorian's.
Simply a different shape ... and suckmymuscle / ND love to obsess over it.
Ronnie's triceps are also more balanced. Dorian's lateral head OVERPOWERS his underdeveloped long head. Ronnie's long head is in perfect balance with the lateral head. That really says something, when Ronnie's weak-head is larger and more striated than Dorian's strong-head. Not to mention Dorian's triceps are asymmetrical when viewed from behind. Lastly, from an overhead perspective, Yates' long head lacks development and simply doesn't have comparable beef as opposed to Ronnie. Ronnie has better triceps.

Abdominals are up for debate. Ronnie's, once again, are larger with deeper crevices.
Dorian has better conditioning and more shred on the intercostal / serratus portions.
Yet Dorian also has overdeveloped obliques which detract from his V-taper.
Dorian loses obliques (too big, distraction) but wins intercostal / serratus (comparable size, but Dorian has better shred and detail). The rectus abdominis itself is inconclusive.
Neither has a significant advantage. Both struggle with distension. Ronnie has a wide linea alba but the judges have never penalized him for it in the past. On the other hand, Dorian's abdominals don't have the symmetry that Ronnie's exhibit. Tough call, but to imply that Dorian's abs would win the assessment like an athlete such as Haidar's would, that is just wrong. Dorian may receive the nod, but it is such a minor advantage it would prove insignificant in the grand scheme of the judging.

So I'll be nice and give you abdominals / forearms / calves / lowerback.
Still a pathetic list. Forearms - calves are the two most trivial bodyparts, unless you are on the beach or something. The IFBB panel does not take them into account as they would the large bodyparts like quadriceps, chest, etc.

As you can see, Dorian's advantages are ever so slight. His abdominals and forearms, for instance, aren't significantly better than Ronnie's. On the other hand, Ronnie's advantages (chest, biceps, delts, quadriceps, hamstrings, glutes, upperback) would clearly overwhelm Dorian. Dorian wouldn't have the genetics to bring his problem areas up to par with Ronnie's.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4713 on: June 27, 2006, 09:59:42 PM »

better chest? I think not. even in contest shape (this shot is offseason) Ronnie's chest was detailed, crisp, vascular and huge.


His MM looks great, but his chest just dissapears in the FDB. He looks extremely flat. Relaxed, it almost looks like he has breast. His gyno is out of control, his nipples point to the ground.  :-\
It's close, but I'd give Dorian the edge here.

Judging abdominals, it's no contest. Dorian crushes Ronnie here. His dryness really shows in the ab thigh pose. Ronnies relative water retention combined with just plain odd looking abs are fatal flaws. A "five-pack" doesn't cut it.  :) For every ab thigh pic you find showing Ronnie even coming close to doz in this pose, five more show Doz destroying him.

Triceps go to The Yates too. His side tricep pose is just sick. It's large and defined, with good shape, and to top it off he really takes advantage of his calves here. You really see how out of proportion Ronnie is in this pose. He just looks awkward and uncomfortable.

Calves....duh....

Forearms...it's close....but I'd give Dorian the nod.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4714 on: June 27, 2006, 10:03:10 PM »
I can't really see how you can say Coleman has an ab thigh pose that can even compare.

You point out minor flaws, but the fact is, it's nothing compared to the importance of the ab definition, dryness, shape, etc.

It's like saying Dorian kills Ronnie in the BDB because his calves are better. It's the same argument.

Chest is debatable, but Ronnie let his gut get out of control and now he just looks flat.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4715 on: June 27, 2006, 10:08:40 PM »
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His MM looks great, but his chest just dissapears in the FDB. He looks extremely flat. Relaxed, it almost looks like he has breast. His gyno is out of control, his nipples point to the ground. 
It's close, but I'd give Dorian the edge here.

 
No. In shape Coleman doesn't have the chest issue, and Yates always had biceps issues, which severely diminishes the entire the FDB. Pathetic's a pithy way to say same.


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Judging abdominals, it's no contest. Dorian crushes Ronnie here. His dryness really shows in the ab thigh pose. Ronnies relative water retention combined with just plain odd looking abs are fatal flaws. A "five-pack" doesn't cut it.   For every ab thigh pic you find showing Ronnie even coming close to doz in this pose, five more show Doz destroying him.
The problem again is that you can't look at this in isolation to context-while Yates wins on six-pack, the blocky, overly-muscular and WIDE waist kinda blows away any advantage, as well as further diminishing any taper in front shots.


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Triceps go to The Yates too. His side tricep pose is just sick. It's large and defined, with good shape, and to top it off he really takes advantage of his calves here. You really see how out of proportion Ronnie is in this pose. He just looks awkward and uncomfortable.

Well documented to the contrary, several times-Coleman is surprisingly close on lateral & medial  cuts shown in the side shot, then blows away Yates on size. Yates' cuts help distract from the relative size deficiency. Verdict: Coleman close on cuts, waaay ahead on size = better tris. Judges aren't assessing, nor are they fooled by, a singular factor like cuts, the way you are.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4716 on: June 27, 2006, 10:24:39 PM »
Dorian's ab thigh is far more impressive. He's etched in stone. The overall impression is just......better. Let's play fair, if you want to penalise Yates for a torn bicep, we must penalise Coleman for his plain odd abdominal shape. It's a fatal flaw in this pose. Ronnie's five-pack compared to Dorian's extremely defined, granite-etched six-pack is not enough. Only a blind Ronnie fanatic would give Ronnie the edge in this pose.

Camp Coleman needs to acknowledge Dorian's superior ab thigh if this is a serious debate. It's a no contest. I acknowledge Coleman's superior BDB.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4717 on: June 27, 2006, 10:30:22 PM »
Front lat spread - edge Dorian.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4718 on: June 27, 2006, 10:32:57 PM »
So... how did the truce go? Were you guys able to put differences aside for the sake of the board?
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4719 on: June 27, 2006, 10:34:45 PM »
Yeah. Camp Coleman finally came to their senses and realised the greatness of Dorian.  :)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4720 on: June 27, 2006, 10:57:44 PM »
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Front lat spread - edge Dorian.
On one of Yates' supposed best poses, nothing less than another advantage Coleman:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4721 on: June 27, 2006, 10:58:34 PM »
Yeah, that's a scale pic  ::) ;D

Dorian has basketballs glued to his back.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4722 on: June 27, 2006, 10:59:02 PM »
Adjust the scale, the conclusion will be the same. Just don't morph Yates' pics again.  ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4723 on: June 27, 2006, 11:02:48 PM »
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Camp Coleman needs to acknowledge Dorian's superior ab thigh if this is a serious debate.
"Camp Coleman"? ::)

You've obviously done precious little reading of previous pages, thus the ignorance is exposed once again. While Yates had an advantage in six-pack, Coleman's not far off either, and has a big advantage in waist width and taper. Whatever problems you have with the actual shape of his abs is your own little fetish, unbeknownst to you until now apparently.  ::)

As already stated, any ab-thigh has to include the X-frame in the calculus. Coleman has a huge advantage in taper, while Yates barely even has one.. ???

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4724 on: June 27, 2006, 11:16:15 PM »
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