Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

its a toss up. Yates has better shape, Ronnie has cuts that dorian dreams about every night.

[Hulkster]

its amazing how at 257 pounds, Ronnie was so shredded that he even displayed striations in the lower back during a lat spread.

this is something that dorian was never able to do.

the evidence for the pro-ronnie side is so complete it is astounding.

the evidence for the pro-yates side consists of calves, abs, and excuses...

[pumpster]

its a toss up. Yates has better shape, Ronnie has cuts that dorian dreams about every night.

Everything else more of less equal, HUGE triceps size advantage trumps all. 

[Hulkster]

why do the dorian fans say the front double bi could go either way?

watch this and tell me if you still think so:

http://shiftedshapes.net/Ronnie_Coleman_1999_Mr%5b1%5d.Olympia.wmv

same with the side chest, rear lat etc...

the only way the pro yates side has an argument is to ignore all the ronnie pics and videos..

Ronnie in this 1999 form is far better overall than even Yates 1993 form..
as for 1995, its a post tear dorian, so that shape shouldn't even be considered.

you can't beat Ronnie at his best when you have one good arm, especially considering that Ronnie's arms are widely regarded to be the best in history..



anyone who truly believes that a post tear version of Yates would win is really naive..

[Oliver Klaushof]

its amazing how at 257 pounds, Ronnie was so shredded that he even displayed striations in the lower back during a lat spread.

this is something that dorian was never able to do.

the evidence for the pro-ronnie side is so complete it is astounding.

the evidence for the pro-yates side consists of calves, abs, and excuses...

This pic doesn't look like any others. I think it's stretched.

[suckmymuscle]

its a toss up. Yates has better shape, Ronnie has cuts that dorian dreams about every night.

  No, Dorian's tris hve better shape AND balance, since alll of his three muscle bellies are long.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

This pic doesn't look like any others. I think it's stretched.

watch the 1999 prejudging on video. You will see the exact shot where the screenshot is taken from. It doesn't look stretched. Ronnie just had a wicked taper back then.

[suckmymuscle]

This pic doesn't look like any others. I think it's stretched.

  Yeah, Oliver, it is. Dorian always had much better definition and dryness than Ronnie on the lower back...at the same bodyweight.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Oliver Klaushof]

Dorian's lats are so wide here, it looks like they're about to fall off his frame. He's run out of room! 

Coleman's waste is small( in this shot), but in terms of shear mass Dorian edges him out.

Dorian is just more impressive in this shot to put it bluntly.

[suckmymuscle]

Damn Sucky, you just wasted twenty minutes of your life posting that and it duplicates everything you have said verbatim for 200 pages.  Thank god I can speed read, because it kinda of reminded me of high school English class  .  What the hell man, I know this debate is interesting but you have taken it to "religion." Dorian Yates, savior of all mankind.  Dude, take a chill pill.  At least ND is a little funny.  You, my god, are like the royal sidekick to Stalin...yes sir, we will kill all the unworthy ones.  Unbeliebable that anyone would blather along so incessantly about this topic.  Give it a chill.

  Ok, first of all, that's simply not true: it was a specific comparison between the 257 lbs Dorian and the 287 lbs Ronnie; nothing more, nothing less. I didn't discuss Ronnie's lighter versions or Dorian's heavier one's, so your charge that I repeted myself is nonsense.

  Secondly, I'm not a sidekick to anyone: I make my own points and post my own evidence/pics and don't need anyone's approval or pat in the back to to motivate myself. As much as I admire ND, who does so much by himself, and the few others who occasionally post pro-Dorian posts here, I don't need them to defend my points. If they  stopped posting, I would continue ad infinitum, in absurdum. Get it?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

why do the dorian fans say the front double bi could go either way?

watch this and tell me if you still think so:



same with the side chest, rear lat etc...

the only way the pro yates side has an argument is to ignore all the ronnie pics and videos..

Ronnie in this 1999 form is far better overall than even Yates 1993 form..
as for 1995, its a post tear dorian, so that shape shouldn't even be considered.

you can't beat Ronnie at his best when you have one good arm, especially considering that Ronnie's arms are widely regarded to be the best in history..



anyone who truly believes that a post tear version of Yates would win is really naive..

This is comming from someone who claimed that calves & forearms mean nothing and Ronnie has better balance than Dorian oh and that Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time and you don't get how people think that Dorian may beat Ronnie in any pose? lol gee thats called bias.

[Hulkster]

You're kidding me, right? Dorian always had much better definition and details on his lower back than Ronnie...at the same bodyweight]

not in a rear lat spread he doesn't..


lights out.

Ronnie's back at its best has always looked better in the mandatories than Dorian's..



its just the way it is.  The sport progressed.

[Hulkster]

you don't get how people think that Dorian may beat Ronnie in any pose?

People?

LOL - try 2 board members.

Most people can't even believe that this debate exists.  Ronnie is far superior in almost everyone's eyes if we are comparing his wasp-waist striated best to Dorian's pre-tear best.

[NarcissisticDeity]

People?

LOL - try 2 board members.

Most people can't even believe that this debate exists.  Ronnie is far superior in almost everyone's eyes if we are comparing his wasp-waist striated best to Dorian's pre-tear best.

Oh more people think Ronnie is better than Dorian therefore it is 

And what part of the I.F.B.B. rules where it says calves are judged in all mandatory poses didn't you comprehend?

Dorian owns the front & back latspreads , side-chest , side tricep , ab-thigh. and how had the sport progressed in 99 ? Ronnie was 257lbs same as Yates in 1993 , Ronnie didn't have an edge on back width , thickness , detail or density so how is that progression? what new development did Ronnie have in 99 thats Yates didn't 6 years earlier? the only edge Ronnie has in the rear latspread is better taper and show me where in the IFBB rules it states that the guy with the best taper wins the pose , oh thats right it doesn't . Dorian's combo is simply better than Ronnie in these poses.

[NarcissisticDeity]

From the back again.

[Hulkster]

Ronnie didn't have an edge on back width , thickness , detail or density so how is that progression?

why do you keep insisting that Ronnie had no edge in detail when there are hundreds of pics and a few videos that clearly show that Ronnie had way more detail than dorian from top to bottom (except for the minor lower back and abs)?



when in shape, Ronnie makes dorian look smooth.

(make that 102 pics and a few videos)

[Hulkster]

hell, Ronnie has more detail pre-contest than dorian does on contest day! (note the presence of striations in the lower back)

[NeoSeminole]

ha ha, Ronnie looks just as wide and has better detail (especially lower back) despite "shrinking" 3-4 inches.

[Hulkster]

hell, even at 42 years of age Ronnie still had more detail top to bottom in the lat spread than Yates did at his career best!

[Oliver Klaushof]

ha ha, Ronnie looks just as wide and has better detail (especially lower back) despite "shrinking" 3-4 inches.

His legs are spread apart you fool.

[Oliver Klaushof]

He doesn't look better.

Dorian's holding more mass there. Just look at it! 

Dorian's back is a mountain range.

Ronnie's is a hilltop.

[NarcissisticDeity]

hell, Ronnie has more detail pre-contest than dorian does on contest day! (note the presence of striations in the lower back)

LOL at striations in the lowerback you're trying to use that as an edge funny Dorian's lower back & lats were striated in a manor that Coleman's wasn't  where are his calves? 

[Hulkster]

funny Dorian's lower back & lats were striated in a manor that Coleman's wasn't

wrong again:



ronnie had the complete back. Dorian had great lats, good lower back, and a ho-hum upper back, as seen in his repeatedly lessthanmindblowing back double bi.


PS notice how the B&W Ronnie pic makes his muscles look "grainy"?

Yet more proof that dorian's "grainyness" was nothing more than an artifact of black and white photography - after all, it dissappears in colour...

just to recapitulate:

grainy look to the muscles:


not grainy look:

hmm...colour photography makes it go away..

ironic how dorian was actually harder  a few weeks out than at the actual 93 O.

[delta9mda]

yates lat striations are thicker and deeper but ron looks to have more fine striations. yates wins.

[FREAKgeek]

I got to admit that the Dozmeister looks pretty fantastic here