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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4975 on: June 30, 2006, 01:37:54 AM »
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You previously had sid that "muscle maturity" was a bodybuilding criteria; I called your bluff and you said Jim Manion said it. To make it clear, I'm telling this to everyone: "muscle maturity" is not and never was an official bodybuilding criteria.

Shut the f*ck up. You aren't an authority on anything. You have lied several times in the preceding paragraphs, so you don't have any business acting as though you have credibility on this matter. Jim Manion stated that muscle maturity is 1/3 of the criteria backstage preceding the evening round. This was on the exclusive backstage interview broadcast for PPV. I'm not going to repeat this again.

Secondly, muscle maturity is a very broad term. It encompasses elements such as muscle detail, density, layering, and hardness. So by claiming muscle maturity is not official bodybuilding criteria, you are essentially saying that matters like detail don't matter, which is complete shit. You really should listen more and stop running your mouth at every opportunity. You don't have any business delegating instructions.

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You also accused me of switching the discussion to Ronnie's lighter version because I was afraid to admit that Ronnie's greater size advantage would be decisive. So, I have already addressed these critiques and showed that, if anything, Ronnie's greater size would be a hidrance, since absolute muscle size is judged inside a context of quality, which includes balance&proportions, seprations and con ditioning

You haven't "addressed" shit. You either lied completely or emphasized trivial elements of bodybuilding that just so happen to be Dorian's strengths while simultaneously ignoring his crippling weaknesses (which just so happen to be Ronnie's strengths).

Once again, conditioning doesn't matter if it doesn't showcase detail. Ronnie has more detail, so its a moot point. Ronnie DOES have better balance and remarkably better separation, particularly in the quadriceps, hamstrings, biceps, and upperback.

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otherwise, bodybuilders would do just bulking eercises, like benches, deads and squats, to increase absolute muscle size and wouldn't bother to diet for 3-4 months for each contest, to get the best taper and dryness possible.

Ronnie has striated glutes. That takes an insane amount of diet, cardio, lunges, and steroids/diuretics. He has a Christmas tree lowerback too, though not as substantial as Yates'. So don't act as though he is only some huge meathead who comes in totally out of shape. He comes in very lean, and although he does struggle with water and distension, he has NEVER come into a show out of shape or fat.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4976 on: June 30, 2006, 01:56:13 AM »
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So, the reason why I don't bring up Ronnie, in his 2003 version, is because his weaknesses were inexcusable and his monster size was mostly an increase in quad and abdominal size

No fool. Look here:






His increase in size WAS MOST CERTAINLY NOT a pure increase in quadriceps and abdominal size. His entire backside, lowerbody and upperbody, was larger and more dense. You demonstrate, once again, that you don't know what you are talking about.

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Your thinking is so skewed, in favor of absolute size, that you cannot see that Dorian has a better size tris than Ronnie; no, all that matters, to you, is that Ronnie's triceps are larger overrall. The fact the triceps is judged within a context doesen't seem to register in your pea-brain at all.

Ronnie's triceps are larger overall, and yes, the judges will take that into account.
Couple that size advantage with far more striations and better balance between the heads (Dorian's lateral head dwarfs the long/medial heads), Ronnie would win the triceps assessment. Besides, Ronnie's triceps have more meat as a whole and look better with arms raised or from just about any other angle other than the side-tricep pose.

This is pointless though. Dorian can have triceps for all I care. Ronnie's advantages are simply too profound and numerous in other more important areas. The triceps are really irrelevant, I just prefer to debate them since they truly are better than Yates. Even if they weren't, wouldn't make a stitch of difference.

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In any case, this discussion is over between me and you.

I don't mind ending this either. You insulted me from Day 1 when I came back from a leave of absence in the bodybuilding genetics thread. You are clearly delusional, have no qualms about lying, and disrespect many of the other posters. I attempted to remain civil, but your pretense and lack of respect are simply too much to stomach.

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You said you'd match the 2003 Ronnie agains any version of Dorian; well, I did it to Dorian's 257 lbs, 1993 version and demonstrated that Dorian wins. obviously, you'll reply with another diatribe about Ronnie being better because his overall musculature - and gut - is larger than Dorian's and he has more vascularity.

Its more than that though. Ronnie has better symmetry too, from left to right and top to bottom. Ronnie has more muscle detail. Better X-frame & V-taper. Ronnie has fewer injuries and less genetic deficits (Dorian's wide waist, torn bicep, sternocostal pectoral deficiency, grossly asymmetrical traps, etc.). All Dorian has on Ronnie is conditioning (which is irrelevant since it showcases less muscle detail than Ronnie), abdominals, forearms, calves, lower-back. Once again, calves/forearms are unimportant and only taken into account in extreme circumstances where a competitor really has an issue with their development. Ronnie's are somewhat weak, but only on Ronnie, and they are sufficient enough not to detract too heavily from his physique. Even if those 4 bodyparts WERE assessed equally, they simply can't outnumber hamstrings, glutes, chest, biceps, upper back, and quadriceps. More muscle groups, on top of more prominent ones since they are much larger and more visible. AND Ronnie's advantages in these major bodyparts are significant, the difference is enormous, whereas Yates' advantages in the smaller, less important body regions are only marginal. They are better, but not by a whole lot, and not nearly enough to even begin to offset his deficits.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4977 on: June 30, 2006, 02:17:45 AM »
I agree with what you say praetor.

But I doubt you'll get anything back for your time spent conclusively replying here.  202 pages and counting, you may aswell try to disprove god to christians, you might have more of a shot.


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Doesn't any moderator have the fucking courage to lock this thread and delete any future ones dealing with this topic?

Courage?  Is that what they're calling stopping people from discussing a subject they are interested in thesedays?  ::)

Awesome idea though, keep people from talking about a subject they're prepared to go 202 pages on.  That will totally satisfy the users of the board. 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4978 on: June 30, 2006, 03:44:16 AM »
  Guess what, bitch? I'm smarter than you. I'm a member of Mensa, Intertel and The Triple Nine Societies and I had my I.Q tested, when I was 10 years old, at 150+ on the Stanford-Binet scale. Everyone who reads my posts, throughout the boards, can see that I'm brilliant - and compared to you, I'm Leibniz or Descartes! Your posts on bodybuilding - the few of them! - are inane, deprived of any deep analyses or insight. You're cynical bout not caring about this topic, because otherwise you wouldn't bother to come here post again...and again...and again, etcetera, etcetera en absurdum! Medicine woman, go milk Ronnie's balls. You are: cognitivelly inferior, cowardly, unwitty and prepotent. ;D ;)

Monster lies. If you had a 150 IQ, you sure as hell wouldn't misspell 'cognitively'. Generally speaking, you write on a fifth-grade level, so there can't be any truth to your claims. Besides, if you're as smart as you claim to be, what the hell are you doing wasting all of your time on a bodybuilding message board.  ::)

Praetor -- don't argue with this fool. Your well-founded arguments have crushed his feeble, delusional rants, just as Ronnie's physique crushes Dorian's...


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4979 on: June 30, 2006, 03:48:33 AM »
Ive always wondered that too. I mean his perception must be restricted somewhat since he doesnt realise that sometimes the pictures he posts:

A: are morphed

and B: or are poor ones of dorian and good ones of ronnie, despite arguing ad nauseum that dorian is superior.

Go figure.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4980 on: June 30, 2006, 03:51:34 AM »
Maybe he's one of those 'idiot-savants', and perceives things in a radically different manner than we do...
The pictures he posts of Dorian (ostensibly to prove Dorian's 'superiority') really are awful. Things that make you go "Hmmm..."

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4981 on: June 30, 2006, 05:10:00 AM »
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Maybe he's one of those 'idiot-savants', and perceives things in a radically different manner than we do...
The pictures he posts of Dorian (ostensibly to prove Dorian's 'superiority') really are awful. Things that make you go "Hmmm..."
Reverse psychology...wear us down with good pics of Coleman and more shots of Yates with no arms while screaming about dryness.. ???  ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4982 on: June 30, 2006, 05:27:08 AM »
Yes Sucky, you truly shut up Praetor.    ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)  The dude just gave you an ass pounding from behind for at least an hour.  Memorize shit, useless information...whatever dude.  I was in training for over fifteen years; I did not get my degree from the 7-11 across the street.  You have been laughed at on this board so many times it is truly pathetic.  You have yet to provide a coherent, well thought out post.  Go back under that subterranean cave you crawl from every few days.  Light is bad for your eyes when you are near blind.... :o  I cry for you too as I can't believe that there are such ignorant and stupid people in this world.  :'(

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4983 on: June 30, 2006, 05:44:08 AM »
Yates desperate while Coleman's thriving...apparently this thread has had an effect everywhere.. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4984 on: June 30, 2006, 10:35:31 AM »
By the way, I don't care about the arms. Ronnie has bigger arms overrall, but that's only because of his enormous, disproportional biceps. Of the two main biceps poses, Dorian actully wins one, the side tris.

Ronnie Coleman is always praised for his biceps. Don't try to twist this like ND and claim Ronnie's strengths are in fact overpowering imbalances. Its stupid and transparent. No muscle is ever overdeveloped ... there are only adjacent muscles that are underdeveloped. In Ronnie's case, his forearms, deltoids, and triceps are still massive (though not quite as impressive as his show-stopping biceps) so by no means are they underdeveloped or weaknesses. You and ND have no concept of a "strength", a bodypart that stands out, and it is only penalized IF, and its a big IF, the adjacent muscles are weak, in comparison AND isolation. Claiming that Coleman's biceps are disproportional because they are the best in the sport is stupid.

Dorian's biceps ARE weak, and they would be weak on any other competitor, even an NPC amateur. Dorian wouldn't win the side triceps because Ronnie's triceps are larger with greater detail and more striations. Couple that with grossly superior hamstrings, quadriceps, chest, deltoids, and biceps (which are all evaluated in this pose) Dorian would clearly lose the side tricep.

The only, and I mean the ONLY thing Dorian has on Ronnie in the side-tricep is a genetically superior lateral head IN SHAPE ONLY. It is smaller than Ronnie's lateral head, and far less detailed, but it still has a better shape, I agree. That said, that is DEFINITELY, ABSOLUTELY not enough to win the pose and compensate for his inferior quadriceps, hamstrings, biceps, deltoids, chest, and wide waist.

Notice your statement ... "I don't care about the arms." Thats fine. We all value different bodyparts, from a personal perspective, to a different extent. However, the judges DO care about arm development, particularly in a pose that is designed exclusively to showcase that development.

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In the most muscular, it is the thickness, details and echiness of the chest, traps quads and calves which matter. Also, even though Ronnie's arms are larger overrall, Dorian compensates with better balance and hardness. Case closed.

Muscle size is the single most important variable in the most muscular.
That said, Ronnie's chest is not only larger, but considerably more detailed. When flexed, his pectorals are stacked with striations and reveal the deep layers of muscle beneath the skin.

Dorian's arms don't have better balance. You claim Ronnie's biceps overpower his arms, but I have NEVER ONCE heard this complaint from any authority in the sport. On the otherhand, Dorian's inexcusable bicep development IS is a liability and will hurt his apperance in the most muscular.
Dorian's lack of symmetry, whether its the arms, the chest, or the traps, is clearly apparent in the most muscular. In fact, his left to right imbalances are most likely what was responsible for his injuries incurred during his HIT regimen. If you look at his left biceps before the tear, it was still much different in shape and size compared to the right.

So Ronnie's arms ARE larger overall, yet with better balance since his biceps and triceps are both full, muscular, and detailed. Secondly, Dorian's triceps are only moderately impressive from the side, they are pretty much overwhelming from the anterior and posterior, so they would not factor into the most muscular assessment. Ronnie would not be penalized for his forearms since, in the most muscular, its readily apparent their circumference is larger than Dorian's and they LOOK considerably better in the pose. Not to mention they have better shred, particularly from the front when flexed.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4985 on: June 30, 2006, 10:46:18 AM »
Nope! Only in thickness and hardness, Dorian takes him out. Never mind his superior balance, calves, dryness and striations. Yes, striations! He has more of them on his chest and abs. ;)

First of all, the abdominals DON'T HAVE STRIATIONS.
I challenge you to post one picture of an individual with a striated rectus abdominis!
It isn't even physiologically possible due to the remarkably different myofilament overlap.
If you are referring to the obliques, then mention that specifically, otherwise you look ignorant.

Secondly, Dorian's abdominals are not even visible in that picture.

In addition, there is no way in hell Dorian has more striations in the chest. For starters, that most muscular taken from the side is the ONLY picture you guys can produce which shows any semblance of chest detail. Dorian's most muscular looks like complete faggoty crap from the front. The side portion saves him the embarassment of the spectator noting his underdeveloped trapezius (relative to Coleman, that is), poor deltoid development and separation, inferior arms, and flattened chest bereft of any semblance of detail.


THIS is chest detail.

You won't be able to reproduce a picture of Dorian that can match it.
The one from the side, although decent, is false representation since its taken at an angle that is flattering to Dorian's physique. From the front, where the judges would observe the pose, it would be an entirely different story. The judges don't analyze a most muscular from the side like that you delusional footmen. The judges analyze it dead on from the front.

Lastly, Dorian's striations on the chest are very superficial. You can observe the depth and multi-tier layering of Ronnie's pectorals. THAT is what muscle maturity is all about.

Once again, calves are a fringe bodypart that are only evaluated to a marginal extent.
Even with Dorian's superior calves, its completely irrelevant since his list of shortcomings that pertain to the highly prominent bodyparts are too steep.

Dryness is negated entirely since Ronnie has more muscle detail.
The entire point of coming in dry is to showcase vascularity and striations.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4986 on: June 30, 2006, 02:09:03 PM »
Show me where in the I.F.B.B. judging criteria it says the guy with the most vasuclairty wins , please do and while you're at it look of the best V-taper & X-frame , however they do look for calves & forearms.  ;)

What are you going to come up with next? That physiques are not important to the judges?

you just don't get it: vascularity and taper has never won a contest by themselves, but they do give an advantage to one bodybuilder over another if the other person is weaker in these aspects.

it gives an ADVANTAGE.

Saying that the judges don't look at the V-taper or X-frame just because it is not explicitly mentioned in some online info sheet is totally being naive to bodybuilding judging..

Are you new to the sport? :-\

I can't believe this.

Dorian won because he was big and had a thick back..Thats why he beat Ray and Wheeler.

They both had way better detail and shape than dorian ever did, but they were too small in comparison to dorian to win, and they both lacked great lats.

If Shawn or Flex had been 250 pounds with the same level of detail, Dorian would have lost, no question.

Facing a peak Ronnie would have been no different.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4987 on: June 30, 2006, 02:41:57 PM »
Praetor, may you are incredible.  Trying to reach through to Sucky...ala Duchaine as he used to be called I believe...is like trying to convince the Arabs that Israelis are decent people Triple nine society, Mensa....HAHAHAHA.  What a frickin tool.  If he were that bright, he would not use such childish English and misspell so many words (no, you aren't misstyping as there is spell check on the thread..use it genius  ::))  This is truly the worlds worst ass pounding I have ever seen; Praetor has subjugated ND and Sucky with so much incontrovertible fact that their tails are between their legs.  It is almost sad.  :'(  ND and Sucky need to get on the horn with Dorian ASAP and tell him that people are picking on them.  :'(  Daddy will surely come to the rescue. ;)

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« Reply #4988 on: June 30, 2006, 02:59:55 PM »
I find it funny that ND dismisses every single flaw dorian has in relation to Ronnie and simply says "it never won anyone a contest and the judges don't care" ::)

that is the attitude of someone who knows that they cannot win using fact or proof, so they just dismiss everything as being irelevant.

how sad it is that someone who supposedly loves classical physiques does not think that having a great V-taper and thigh sweep (ie. an X-frame) is considered advantagous by the panel of judges  :-\

ND is a veteran with the knowledge of a novice when it comes to judging criteria and how they are applied..


anyone who thinks that vascularity isn't impressive when combined with good, lean, shapely muscle is just kidding themselves..

the same goes for great taper..
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4989 on: June 30, 2006, 05:21:55 PM »
I find it funny that ND dismisses every single flaw dorian has in relation to Ronnie and simply says "it never won anyone a contest and the judges don't care" ::)

that is the attitude of someone who knows that they cannot win using fact or proof, so they just dismiss everything as being irelevant.

how sad it is that someone who supposedly loves classical physiques does not think that having a great V-taper and thigh sweep (ie. an X-frame) is considered advantagous by the panel of judges  :-\

ND is a veteran with the knowledge of a novice when it comes to judging criteria and how they are applied..


anyone who thinks that vascularity isn't impressive when combined with good, lean, shapely muscle is just kidding themselves..

the same goes for great taper..


No you fixate on Ronnie supposed advantages and cling to them for dear life and totaly ignore the rest of the I.F.B.B. judging criteria. In black & white it says they judge forearms & calves yet you ignore that , they judge muscular balance & proportion and you ingore than or have the balls to say Ronnie's is better lol

Dorian beat small aesthetic guys and mass monsters. he beat 190lb Lee Labrada and 285lb Nasser El Sonbaty , he beat a 255lb Ronnie Coleman and everyone in between .
Dorian doesn't have to be Ronnie in order to beat Ronnie he has to be Dorian and that worked just fine for him all of his career.


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« Reply #4990 on: June 30, 2006, 05:36:13 PM »
ND, go play in the fantasyland you live in with your buddy Sucky.  He is the one person who agrees with you ad nauseum.  You are his idol...enjoy the adulation.  I find it hilarious how Praetor basically shot down every argument you have put forth in this two hundred plus page spread, and he did it within two pages.  He totally owned you and, should I say it, Dorian.  Dorian Yates was great, but Ronnie has taken it to a different level.  Only you (and a certain mentally challenged child)  fail to see that.  Dorian had one year where he could have stood on stage with Ronnie (1998 and beyond) and not gotten blown out of the water. That year was 1993 and anybody who saw the pics can agree he looked very good.  However, nobody, and I mean nobody has brought a package to the Mr. Olympia like Ronnie in 1998/1999 and especially 2003.  You complain that Dorian was so superior in 1993 to his 1992 form as he was 15 pounds heavier.  Ronnie was thirty pounds heavier in 2003 than his 1998 package (maybe more) and easily as hard.  Yes, he may have had a little gut, but the man had legit 23+ arms on stage...nobody has ever come close.  His thighs, chest, shoulders, hams, arms and even back absolutely would have crushed any version of Yates.  Nobody in history to this point can beat the man when he is in that condition....nobody.  Call me a fanboy, but I call them like I see them.  Dorian Yates would have been lucky to get second (Jay is that good).  In any other year but 1993, this debate is meaningless as Dorian was asymmetrical and bloated.  I will give him conditioning in 1995, but the man had one arm.  Moreover, he still had a blocky waist.

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« Reply #4991 on: June 30, 2006, 05:53:39 PM »
ND, go play in the fantasyland you live in with your buddy Sucky.  He is the one person who agrees with you ad nauseum.  You are his idol...enjoy the adulation.  I find it hilarious how Praetor basically shot down every argument you have put forth in this two hundred plus page spread, and he did it within two pages.  He totally owned you and, should I say it, Dorian.  Dorian Yates was great, but Ronnie has taken it to a different level.  Only you (and a certain mentally challenged child)  fail to see that.  Dorian had one year where he could have stood on stage with Ronnie (1998 and beyond) and not gotten blown out of the water. That year was 1993 and anybody who saw the pics can agree he looked very good.  However, nobody, and I mean nobody has brought a package to the Mr. Olympia like Ronnie in 1998/1999 and especially 2003.  You complain that Dorian was so superior in 1993 to his 1992 form as he was 15 pounds heavier.  Ronnie was thirty pounds heavier in 2003 than his 1998 package (maybe more) and easily as hard.  Yes, he may have had a little gut, but the man had legit 23+ arms on stage...nobody has ever come close.  His thighs, chest, shoulders, hams, arms and even back absolutely would have crushed any version of Yates.  Nobody in history to this point can beat the man when he is in that condition....nobody.  Call me a fanboy, but I call them like I see them.  Dorian Yates would have been lucky to get second (Jay is that good).  In any other year but 1993, this debate is meaningless as Dorian was asymmetrical and bloated.  I will give him conditioning in 1995, but the man had one arm.  Moreover, he still had a blocky waist.

Well you would agree with Fenix because you think 2003 was among his best ever and I strong disagree with that but its a waste of space arguing otherwise the general consensus among NO-DELUSIONAL-SUPER-FANS that Ronnie's best overall apperence was 2001 Arnold Classic followed by 98/99 Olympia after that he was a shell of his former self to look at Ronnie from 2003 and compare it to those versions its a major step backwards but hey you like what you like.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4992 on: June 30, 2006, 06:04:39 PM »
The last time I looked vascularity was generally DESIRABLE...except when it's not there or looks like varicose veins.. :-X

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4993 on: June 30, 2006, 06:06:09 PM »
The last time I looked vascularity was generally DESIRABLE...except when it's not there or looks like varicose veins.. :-X

Actually excess vasularity is frowned upon and take a look at Dillett or Gunther for varicose veins !

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« Reply #4994 on: June 30, 2006, 06:06:11 PM »
As far as SUCKMYASSHOLE'S supposed high IQ... ::)


SUCKY sucks.. ;)





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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4995 on: June 30, 2006, 06:10:04 PM »
MOMO DIED IN 93! get a clue.

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« Reply #4996 on: June 30, 2006, 06:10:46 PM »
As far as SUCKMYASSHOLE'S supposed high IQ... ::)


SUCKY sucks.. ;)





Here's what I think of SUCKY's pics..

Never seen those pics before .

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« Reply #4997 on: June 30, 2006, 06:23:52 PM »
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Never seen those pics before .
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« Reply #4998 on: June 30, 2006, 06:29:46 PM »
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In black & white it says they judge forearms & calves yet you ignore that ,

no one is ignoring forearms.  but what you fail to realize is that if Ronnie stood beside dorian onstage and compared arms with him, the difference would be so staggering that the extra length of dorian's forearm muscles would not even be noticed:



and the reason for this is the forearms are a minor bodypart. As you can see, Dorian's arms are literally pathetic compared to Ronnie's. They might look okay standing next to someone like Flea Labrada but not Ronnie Coleman.

your problem is that you, unlike the judges, cannot differentiate between a minor bodypart like the forearms and a major one like the quadriceps or pectorials.

to you, a flaw in the minor part is just as important if not more so than a flaw in the larger muscle group.

The probem is, no one else thinks that way.

eg. everyone on the board with the exception of yourself and suckmyasshole has viewed the videos and pics and firmly feels that Ronnie's back double biceps pose is better than Dorians from above the kneecap. 

You look at the huge difference in calves and feel that it overshadows everything above the knee.

you believe that the difference in the minor part trumps the entire rest of the body.

The judges and most people don't think that way, and for good reason.

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« Reply #4999 on: June 30, 2006, 06:34:08 PM »
no one is ignoring forearms.  but what you fail to realize is that if Ronnie stood beside dorian onstage and compared arms with him, the difference would be so staggering that the extra length of dorian's forearm muscles would not even be noticed:


and the reason for this is the forearms are a minor bodypart. As you can see, Dorian's arms are literally pathetic compared to Ronnie's. They might look okay standing next to someone like Flea Labrada but not Ronnie Coleman.

your problem is that you, unlike the judges, cannot differentiate between a minor bodypart like the forearms and a major one like the quadriceps or pectorials.

to you, a flaw in the minor part is just as important if not more so than a flaw in the larger muscle group.

The probem is, no one else thinks that way.

eg. everyone on the board with the exception of yourself and suckmyasshole has viewed the videos and pics and firmly feels that Ronnie's back double biceps pose is better than Dorians from above the kneecap. 

You look at the huge difference in calves and feel that it overshadows everything above the knee.

you believe that the difference in the minor part trumps the entire rest of the body.

The judges and most people don't think that way, and for good reason.



Ah forearms & calves play a major role in overall muscular balance and Dorian's biceps in 93 were good enough and his arms were balanced.

Look at this pic and see how the forearms are in no way shape or form in proportion or balance with his biceps/triceps? but you're under the impression Ronnie's is great to begin with but you also think Mendenhall was blocky  ???