Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

But those are minor muscle that don't count !!

[Hulkster]

ND, go play in the fantasyland you live in with your buddy Sucky.  He is the one person who agrees with you ad nauseum.  You are his idol...enjoy the adulation.  I find it hilarious how Praetor basically shot down every argument you have put forth in this two hundred plus page spread, and he did it within two pages.  He totally owned you and, should I say it, Dorian.  Dorian Yates was great, but Ronnie has taken it to a different level.  Only you (and a certain mentally challenged child)  fail to see that.  Dorian had one year where he could have stood on stage with Ronnie (1998 and beyond) and not gotten blown out of the water. That year was 1993 and anybody who saw the pics can agree he looked very good.  However, nobody, and I mean nobody has brought a package to the Mr. Olympia like Ronnie in 1998/1999 and especially 2003.  You complain that Dorian was so superior in 1993 to his 1992 form as he was 15 pounds heavier.  Ronnie was thirty pounds heavier in 2003 than his 1998 package (maybe more) and easily as hard.  Yes, he may have had a little gut, but the man had legit 23+ arms on stage...nobody has ever come close.  His thighs, chest, shoulders, hams, arms and even back absolutely would have crushed any version of Yates.  Nobody in history to this point can beat the man when he is in that condition....nobody.  Call me a fanboy, but I call them like I see them.  Dorian Yates would have been lucky to get second (Jay is that good).  In any other year but 1993, this debate is meaningless as Dorian was asymmetrical and bloated.  I will give him conditioning in 1995, but the man had one arm.  Moreover, he still had a blocky waist.

agreed. Praetor has done an excellent job of showing that the 2003 version of Ronnie is still far and above dorian's 1993 best.

ND and suckmyasshole have been elegantly and systematically shown to be wrong.


look at the detail in those shoulders! Look at those arms, and particularly look at those FOREARMS! Unreal.  What was the problem with the 2003 ronnie again?

In terms of muscularity and mandatories 2003 Ronnie really did take it to another leve.

My only beef with the 2003 version is that he did not look as good as he once did in the "relaxed" round due to his obliques and midsection.  But pose for pose, he was unreal that year.

However, given that dorian has always  looked horrid in the symmetry round, I don't really think this would make much of a difference had they faced off.


that being said, has mentioned and shown, Ronnie 2003 was unreal.


thus far, bodybuildings greatest rear lat spread.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Claves who needs em ?

[NarcissisticDeity]

What was the problem with the 2003 ronnie again?

You're joking right? look at 98/99 and then ask yourself this question.

[pumpster]

Claves who needs em ?

I'd obsess on Ron's ok calves too-anything to take the focus off a body like this.. Are those arms 17"?

[NarcissisticDeity]

17"  can you get any more pathetic?

[Hulkster]

if dorian stood beside this double bi and hit his double bi, it would be pretty clear that the slight advantage in forearms would not help very much.  This is because the forearms are minor. Afterall, many, including dorian feel that his 1995 form was his best, and this is post tear...


A man with a missing left biceps going up against the man widely regarded to have history's greatest overall arms...

real smart...

Dorian was on crack for suggesting that any post tear form of himself was his best ever.

[NarcissisticDeity]

if dorian stood beside this double bi and hit his double bi, it would be pretty clear that the slight advantage in forearms would not help very much.  This is because the forearms are minor. Afterall, many, including dorian feel that his 1995 form was his best, and this is post tear...


A man with a missing left biceps going up against the man widely regarded to have history's greatest overall arms...

real smart...

Dorian was on crack for suggesting that any post tear form of himself was his best ever.

One that pic you posted of Dorian is NOT from 1995 its from 94 not his best  two is bicep wasn't missing it was just torn noticably shorter yes but not missing ( like Ronnie two missing calves ) three Ronnie ARMS are NOT the greatest in the sports history his biceps arguably are but his ARMS are not sorry sport , his triceps aren't that great and niether are his forearms.

Post tear Dorian would obviously lose the front double bicep shot to Ronnie and maybe the rear but all other mandatories add up in Dorian's favor .

this shot is from 95 post tear and NO its not photoshopped its a scan from Flex magazine's coverage.

[bb doc]

Hulkster, ND - why do u guys care so much about this topic?

203 pages....man....

[Hulkster]

his triceps aren't that great and niether are his forearms.

and yet his arms look like this..quite an accomplishment .

Ronnie had fantastic triceps and forearms back in the day.

You don't get arms like look this good without them. It is simply an impossibility.

[NarcissisticDeity]

and yet his arms look like this..quite an accomplishment .

Ronnie had fantastic triceps and forearms back in the day.

You don't get arms like look this good without them. It is simply an impossibility.

No forearms & triceps are pretty damn good but to say the greatest arms ever is simply not true Lee Preist has the triceps/biceps and forearms .

[nicorulez]

Woohoo, I can feel 300 coming up fast.  Largest thread in GetBig history.  The thread that keeps going and going and going........this would all end if ND would just let it go.  You haven't convinced anyone of Dorian's superiority and by trying to justify his arms compared to Ronnie you really are looking quite pathetic.  In 2003, oops I know you hate that form, Ronnie absolutely raped the competition.  Yes, he did not fit the classic ironage standard, but he was large and vascular and striated.  Dorian could never have even held his jock strap; no contest there.   To deny his form is asinine; you have proven your perverse bias.  If Dorian or Lee Labrada or Samir came in looking like that; we would have a 200 page thread about the awesomeness they display.  Ronnie doesn't have good forearms? Dorian's were more balanced?  HAHAHAHA....you have made yourself the fool even more than your boytoy Sucky.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Woohoo, I can feel 300 coming up fast.  Largest thread in GetBig history.  The thread that keeps going and going and going........this would all end if ND would just let it go.  You haven't convinced anyone of Dorian's superiority and by trying to justify his arms compared to Ronnie you really are looking quite pathetic.  In 2003, oops I know you hate that form, Ronnie absolutely raped the competition.  Yes, he did not fit the classic ironage standard, but he was large and vascular and striated.  Dorian could never have even held his jock strap; no contest there.   To deny his form is asinine; you have proven your perverse bias.  If Dorian or Lee Labrada or Samir came in looking like that; we would have a 200 page thread about the awesomeness they display.  Ronnie doesn't have good forearms? Dorian's were more balanced?  HAHAHAHA....you have made yourself the fool even more than your boytoy Sucky.

One you are just as complicit as me and Hulkster and everyone else in this thread so don't try an act like you're above all this yet you're right along with us. 

And I never intended this thread to be anything more than a single page but Hulkster felt his opinion wasn't valid enough to leave well enough alone so my intentions were pure at the begining

In 2003 Ronnie didn't meet the Ironage classic ideal ? that has nothing to do with my opinion on Ronnie , you look at Ronnie 98/99/01 and look at him 03 and you'll see he fell WAY off of his OWN standards which were pretty damn high , and its such as shame as well because at one time Ronnie had a great phsyique .

[jandal.ninja]

ronnie sure has one obvious thing over dorian - he's got the bigger *ahem* ass...
wahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Hulkster]

these shots of ronnie in 1998/1999 (?) are scary they are so good.

[nicorulez]

So, ND you claim that Ronnie did not meet his high standards he set in 1998/1999.  However, you have claimed that Dorian would have beaten him in 1998, knowing damn well what a pathetic mess he was in the year before.  Now, you have admitted that it is IFBB judging, and that is the way it goes with champion Mr. Olympias.  So, you have basically (unintentionally) cited a serious flaw in IFBB judging right there; you were the one who made that point (not me or Hulkster).  Now, you have also gone on incessantly about how Dorian scored straight firsts in all of his Mr. Olympia's; the 1997 Mr. Olympia included.    Thus, my question to you is this?  You disparage Ronnie 2003 despite that fact that he got straight firsts.  So, now the IFBB judges are wrong?  Or, are they seriously flawed and he was gifted a win in 2003?  Hmmmm, by that logic ND, then every one of Dorian's wins except 2002/2003 were gifts.  He got progressively worse year after year (1995 was a decent version, but still no 1993) yet he got straight ones.  If you recall, IFBB judges have been relatively notorious for some pretty suspect calls over the years.  So ND, which one is it?  IFBB judges are the be all and do all.  If so, they must have wet there pants as Ronnie basically won the 2003 Mr. Olympia running away.  However, if they are dubious as how in the world could they give him straight firsts; ND states he looked horrible in 2003.    So, if they are dubious, that proves it right away that Dorian Yates is the most overrated Mr. Olypia in the last twenty years (the era of Haney, Dorian and Ronnie). 

[Hulkster]

So, if they are dubious, that proves it right away that Dorian Yates is the most overrated Mr. Olypia in the last twenty years (the era of Haney, Dorian and Ronnie). 

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thats what I have always said!

In terms of mandatories, here is Ronnie version 2003:









even though many feel his smaller waist form is better overall, I don't really understand the stuff that ND and suckmyasshole are saying - doesn't belong on an olympia stage? Not in condition? looks terrible? gimme a break. .

He still looks unreal- and good enough to take Dorian 1993

[nicorulez]

Dorian would defecate all over the little Englishman.  USA baby.....I don't drink tea anyway. 

[pumpster]

If you recall, IFBB judges have been relatively notorious for some pretty suspect calls over the years.

As a resident Iron Age/Flex clone, ND can't even comprehend the possibility that politics may have soiled many a decision-his head would explode from the realization that heroes Yates & Haney were never the "world's best-built" men for anywhere near the decade and a half they won the Olympia.

Too brainwashed to even consider it despite the strong anecdotal evidence i've already presented.

Like anything else, his degree of intellectual discourse reduces to any one of the following canned non-answers, repeated like a parrot:

-"blah, blah, blah"

-"lol"

-"Yates beat him in every contest."

-"Yates had superior balance" (with those arms & barrel chest. )

-"Yates had great calves & forearms."



It's high time for ND to address the ongoing humiliation by going on a looooong vacation..

[Hulkster]

its amazing that ND cannot see the huge flaws in dorian's physique, esp. when compared to Ronnie.

Look at the shape of dorians arms, delts and chest compared to a superior bodybuilding like Ronnie. Its pretty bad

[Ex Coelis]

Ronnie just shrugs off the competition

[Ex Coelis]

Dorian who?

[Ex Coelis]

Sorry ND - this zone is restricted

[Ex Coelis]

Come contest time, Ronnie always dials in

[Ex Coelis]

Ronnie's got more muscle on one finger than Dorian's entire torn bicep