Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Ex Coelis]

Ronnie is better than Dorian. Sorry to burst your bubble, ND 

[Oliver Klaushof]

How can his taper be worse quality than Yates??
You have his deltoids, which was wider, larger, with much better separation. Check.
Ronnie's lats are wider and have lower origins, leading to a more elegant sweep and a less dramatic cutoff. Not to say Yates had high lats, but Ronnie's have better origins and a more graceful contour. Waist ... Ronnie's is slimmer. So you are meaning to say that his taper is worse quality since his obliques don't have quite as much detail? Damn, the obliques are hardly related to the V-taper, but ARE known to detract from it if they are too developed.

Coleman's lats are slightly lower, but they are not wider. Look at this picture, it's clear. Ronnie is outmuscled here. Notice the wider breadth of the trapezius, and the long shadow cast over the infraspinatus. Not only is his trapezius wider and thicker, you can make out striations. Can't say the same for Ronnie here. He's water logged mass. "Balloon muscles" That's what happens when you shoot a bunch of test in a desperate attempt to leap ahead of the pack. That, and gyno.

It's a lack of muscle maturity.

What? 
The waist is not capable of this sort of fluctuation from year to year.
Appositional bone growth or adipose deposition can influence the circumference of the waist. Muscle gain/loss will have little/no effect since there are too few articulating surfaces located on the perimeter of the waist. The outstanding majority of muscles originate or insert above or below the pelvic rim.

You're getting into little details that don't matter in the real world but sound good on paper. Small waist, large obliques, distended stomach......
Spin it how you want, the effect is the same. A small waist looking 40 inches because of a distended stomach and overdeveloped obliques is still horrible.

It's not.....

AESTHETIC

The IFBB didn't issue a warning about distended stomachs for no good reason.
True, they didn't enforce it, but they recognized how out of hand it was(and is).
It is said Yates started the new trend of mass monsters.......
Ronnie can be said to have started a trend of distended stomachs. blech!

Keep making stuff up though! If anything, Ronnie's waist looked larger in 2002 b/c it was roughly the same diameter, yet it was surrounding by a lot less muscle. Ronnie's abdominal distension was far worse in 2002 as well. Peter McGough even acknowledged his improvement in 2003 as far as keeping his waist in check was concerned. 2002 was one of his most distended years ever, and it was only exaggerated due to his lack of muscle.

Nope. The abdomen is pretty concealed in the side-chest.
In the ab/thigh Ronnie's distension has never been an issue, not even 2004.
May I remind you that he beat Dexter Jackson in the ab/thigh in 2004 too. 
The abdomen is tight in the front lat spread due to the elevation of the upper torso.
The side tricep, it would be an issue, but Ronnie would win by virtue of his superior quadriceps, hamstrings, chest, overall size, and triceps detail. An utter lack of striations in the side tricep, like Dorian, is very bad and would be immediately penalized.

Ronnie owns Dorian from the front.
Quadriceps,Chest,Deltoids,Biceps,Traps are far superior to Dorian's. By a f*cking mile.
That leaves the usual for Dorian: calves, forearms, abdominals.
The calves/forearms are extremities and are not taken into serious account.
The abdominals are important, but Dorian's are not significantly better.
Ronnie's are well developed, feature deep separations, perfect symmetry albeit a wide linea alba. Dorian's abdominals are more detailed and better conditioned, but their superiority is not nearly as marked as Ronnie's superiority in the MAJOR bodyparts like chest, deltoids and quadriceps, the focal points of bodybuilding basically.

The fact that you think Ronnie's ab thigh can even compare to Dorian is showing your hilarious bias. IF, we are going to penalise Dorian for a torn/weak bicep........let's do the same when comparing Ronnie's embarrasing ab shape(he has a 5 pack to Dorian's extremely full shredded 6!) to Dorian's. Ronnie's abs are a disgusting abberation! Yates wins this pose hands down. It's not even up for debate!  



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[Ex Coelis]

I just dont see where the Dorian camp is coming from

[Ex Coelis]

Where's the problem?

[Hulkster]

Can't say the same for Ronnie here. He's water logged mass. "Balloon muscles"

then why does Ronnie have more seperated arms (from the rear) and tons of lower back striations that are not visible in dorian's pose?

[Ex Coelis]

Back for more, eh?

[Hulkster]

Coleman's lats are slightly lower, but they are not wider. Look at this picture, it's clear. Ronnie is outmuscled here. Notice the wider breadth of the trapezius, and the long shadow cast over the infraspinatus.

you are neglecting the most crucial element of all: in the pic (that is not to scale) dorian and ronnie's waist sizes look almost the same.



In real life, we all know that in 1999 (when the lat spread shot was taken) Ronnie's waist was WAY smaller than Dorian's:


his waist holds its own against Flex..

Dorian's doesn't:


 thus, if this were a real life side by side shot, that would make a HUGE difference.

[Ex Coelis]

Can you tell who's side I'm on?

[Ex Coelis]

ND is all back-wards

[Ex Coelis]

Tri as he might, Ronnie is just too much for Dorian

[Oliver Klaushof]

Ronnie owns Dorian from the front.
Quadriceps,Chest,Deltoids,Biceps,Traps are far superior to Dorian's. By a f*cking mile.
That leaves the usual for Dorian: calves, forearms, abdominals.
The calves/forearms are extremities and are not taken into serious account.

Please....

Ronnie's quads are huge, but again, it's water logged mass. It's where most of Ronnie's greater weight comes from, and it's the reason Arnold had a more impressive upper body despite weighing some 50 pounds less. People are easily impressed by numbers, but onstage it doesn't mean much if you look like shit. In the 90s scarcely anyone had enormous quads... Dorian's are smaller, but more detailed. Ronnie's legs look like swollen raisens.  



Chest? How do you figure. Do you realise Coleman looks flat when he performs a front double biceps pose? His stomach has become so distended, his gyno has become so bad....

His chest is just not appealing anymore. Turn him to the side and you have an board. Dorian's chest "jumps out" at you. It's more "herculean" and it IS striated.



Notice how his pectorals hook on to the deltoid. Ronnie looks flat and full of estrogen, compounded with the fact he is constantly sporting gyno.

This is impressive


This is flat and full of estrogen...


Yes, it's true. Ronnie has become the first Mr. O with a reverse taper. He's broader in the stomach than the chest. Oh how I miss the days of Arnold, Zane, et al.

Deltoids is debatable.

I already demonstrated Dorian's wider, thicker, traps.

Biceps.....

Most people will agree that Ronnie has great biceps, but I have a discerning eye and so I'm going to split away from the herd here. I'll tell you why....

Ronnie's biceps are deformed.

Much like his abdominals, the muscle shape is just odd. It looks atrophied. Sure there is a split, but they look tiny and weird compared to someone like Jay Cutler.



This illustrates my point...

His biceps are just odd. Cutler's are twice as big, it's just his extreme peaks that everyone focuses on unfortunately. They lack fullness.

[pumpster]

Let's repeat: the pic isn't to scale..Coleman's lats are noticably wider AND he has a smaller waist = much better taper. IMO on back lat shots, there's no more important criteria than taper.

[Ex Coelis]

If you want to see why Ronnie is so great, just take a peak

[pumpster]

To repeat, until the reality is hammered into your skull...NO WAY DOES YATES HAVE THIS KIND OF WIDTH OR SIZE..

[Ex Coelis]

Ronnie's victory is unanimous - no split decisions

[pumpster]

SUCKMYASSHOLE...come up with a shot to match this..NOW.

[pumpster]

Yates looks like a punk by comparison..

[Ex Coelis]

Once its all said and done and the smoke has cleared, Ronnie is on top

[pumpster]

To get the scale right, consider Dillet then to be similar in size to Coleman now. Dillet, with size similar to Coleman's, pummels Yates here. No contest; exactly what would happen with Coleman there, without the points taken away for Dillet's back = domination. Yates overwhelmed.

[Ex Coelis]

when ND started this thread, he bit off more than he can chew

[Ex Coelis]

Come on, ND - where's the love?

[Oliver Klaushof]

Poppa Jay, take your double digit IQ and start a Ronnie pic thread. Nobody wants to sift through the same tired pics.



WTF? Short muscle bellies!

[Ex Coelis]

Hulkster should be congratulated for keeping up the good fight

[Hulkster]

Please....

Ronnie's quads are huge, but again, it's water logged mass. It's where most of Ronnie's greater weight comes from, and it's the reason Arnold had a more impressive upper body despite weighing some 50 pounds less. People are easily impressed by numbers, but onstage it doesn't mean much if you look like shit. In the 90s scarcely anyone had enormous quads... Dorian's are smaller, but more detailed. Ronnie's legs look like swollen raisens.  



Chest? How do you figure. Do you realise Coleman looks flat when he performs a front double biceps pose? His stomach has become so distended, his gyno has become so bad....

His chest is just not appealing anymore. Turn him to the side and you have an board. Dorian's chest "jumps out" at you. It's more "herculean" and it IS striated.



This is impressive


This is flat and full of estrogen...


Yes, it's true. Ronnie has become the first Mr. O with a reverse taper. He's broader in the stomach than the chest. Oh how I miss the days of Arnold, Zane, et al.

Deltoids is debatable.

I already demonstrated Dorian's wider, thicker, traps.

Biceps.....

Most people will agree that Ronnie has great biceps, but I have a discerning eye and so I'm going to split away from the herd here. I'll tell you why....

Ronnie's biceps are deformed.

Much like his abdominals, the muscle shape is just odd. It looks atrophied. Sure there is a split, but they look tiny and weird compared to someone like Jay Cutler.



This illustrates my point...

His biceps are just odd. Cutler's are twice as big, it's just his extreme peaks that everyone focuses on unfortunately. They lack fullness.

this is probably the most retarded post of the entire thread.

Notice how his pectorals hook on to the deltoid. Ronnie looks flat and full of estrogen, compounded with the fact he is constantly sporting gyno.

flat and full of estrogen? look at his left arm where his delts/pecs tie in! its the most detailed ever!



quads a water logged mass? note the striations and feathering in the respective pics.


your comments about Ronnie's biceps are, quite simply, dead wrong.

I could continue, but I won't.  What bullshit.

And note that since you seem to be refering specifically to 280+ pound Ronnie in your post, I used Ronnie's 2003 form to prove each point is totally incorrect.

If you were refering to his 1998/9 look, your post is even more wrong.


these biceps do not look "odd". they look incredible.

[Ex Coelis]

Ronnie's superiority puts ND's arguments in an awkward position