Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

1) Ronnie did NOT have visible abdominal distension during the 2003 Mr. Olympia pre-judging. This has already been well-established.

2) Ronnie was slightly distended at the evening round, but not NEARLY AS DISTENDED AS ND's BACKSTAGE PICTURES WOULD FALSELY LEAD ONE TO BELIEVE.



This is perhaps the most incriminating piece of visual evidence from the evening round that was not taken backstage or in transition. That said, his midsection is still somewhat controlled, yet he doesn't have to deal with the overdeveloped obliques and wide waist that Dorian had to work with. As a result, Ronnie's distension would only be an issue from a lateral angle, whereas Dorian's is an issue from the anterior, posterior, AND side.

You and ND continue to rely on backstage pictures to attest to Ronnie's evening distension. Though it was present, it is not nearly as exaggerated as the irrelevant backstage photos, which mind you would have absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the show.

Ronnie in 2003 WAS significantly more muscular. This is an incontrovertible fact.
That said, his waist was actually THINNER, with less lateral bulge on the abdomen since Ronnie's obliques were significantly leaner. Ronnie would only have to deal with distension from 1 angle whereas Dorian's waist would present a problem from 3 angles.
Couple that with the fact that Olympia standards outline that more muscle mass IS preferential to less, Ronnie has a significant advantage. Nothing else left to discuss...

Are you implying that Ronald's waist increased in circumference??

Ronnie was already taking gH, insulin, IGF long, etc. in 1998/1999.
You can't attribute any misperceived increase in the girth of his waist to a drug regimen. He comes in at < 5% bodyfat each contest. Appositional bonegrowth or adipose deposition are the ONLY two factors that can lead to an increase in the circumference of the waist.

Mind you, APPOSITIONAL BONEGROWTH TAKES SEVERAL YEARS, and the growth that takes place is cosmetic. We aren't even talking about several inches of difference, its physiologically impossible for the osteoblasts to deposit that much material and yield that much calcification.

To put it quite simply. Ronnie's waist hasn't grown to the extent that you imagine.
Perhaps you falsely attribute his larger midsection to a larger waist, but you are mistaken. IT IS PHYSIOLOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIS WAIST TO HAVE GROWN AS MUCH AS YOU CLAIM IN SUCH A SHORT TIME SPAN.

Once the epiphyseal plates of the bones fuse, the waist will not grow without an outside input.
- Bodyfat is an input that can swell the waistline, but that doesn't apply to a bodybuilder who comes in with single digit, let alone < 5 % bodyfat.
- Bone growth is the second input. Once the epiphyseal plates of the bones fuse, at age 25, no more direct bone growth can take place. However, ossification can still occur by depositing material on the surface of the bone. This WILL take place with an input of gH, BUT, its a very slow process that can span decades, and the deposition is minimal. It most affects the appearance of facial bones and the metacarpals, because these bones are very small and clearly visible. The pelvis is very large, yet the osteoblasts don't secrete anymore than they do on the fingers or facial bones.

So to imply that his waist would have grown several inches is to imply that his facial bones and fingers are several inches greater in diameter too, which obviously isn't the case because he would no longer look human, he would look like Doomsday from the Superman comics. His fingers would be as thick as wooden 2 by 4s.

Only one explanation is reasonable, his waist MAY look slightly larger due to the origins/insertions of the adjacent muscles which have notably hypertrophied, but since the outer rim of the pelvis doesn't have any direct surfaces of articulation, the circumference of the waist itself would not change at all. However, surrounded by pockets of deep, mature muscle, it may give the illusion of a waist that is wider than it actually is.

Its really a moot point, because its clearly leaner than Dorian's, coupled with wider lats/delts, less developed obliques, and superior latissimus dorsi origins, AND much more all-round muscle mass, Ronnie absolutely blows Dorian out of the water.

1) Ronnie did NOT have visible abdominal distension during the 2003 Mr. Olympia pre-judging. This has already been well-established.

Who has this been established by? you? look at this picture from the 2003 Mr Olympia pre-judging , you can clearly see abdominal distension on Dennis James , Ronnie Coleman and slightly on Dexter Jackson , Jay Cutler is pulling off a slight vaccum , so to say he had no visable distention is simply not true , his gut was clearly evident prejudguing & night shows.

[suckmymuscle]

  Can anyone explain to me, how exactly the 280+ lbs Ronnie has a better taper than THIS

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

What's your point? First-impressions aren't definitive.

He thought you were intelligent. After familiarizing himself with your posts, he came to the realization that you are whiny, delusional, and not particularly bright. If anything, you should keep it entirely to yourself that you lost his respect. You gloat as though he is two-faced or a sycophant, when in actuality its only a testament of his ability to identify your blind irrationality.

By the way, here is a lie: You claimed the IFBB doesn't care about muscle striations!

You think you are doing Dorian a service ND, but in fact you are doing a miserable job.
It is readily apparent to anybody who reads this thread that your arguments suck ass.
Fact is, there ARE many adamant Dorian Yates fans in this forum, and you mistakenly take their allegiance to camp-Yates as a tacit sign of respect, admiration, and approval.

Its the complete opposite reality. You are an abysmal leader and you embarrass your underlings.

I never said IFBB doesn't care about striations I said they don't win contests and this is comming from the guy who says " muscle maturity is 1/3 rd the judging criteria " you've still yet to prove that one.

And I don't think I'm doing Yates a service I personally thought he should have lost to Flex in 93 , I'm no delusional super fan like you are. I think the sport would have better off if would have never won so don't mistake me for some super-groupy like you are for Coleman and the rest of you who think he is the greatest bodybuilder ever born , when in fact he's not as great as you and the rest of Camp-Coleman makes him out to be.

[Oliver Klaushof]

That's what I'm talking about. Ronnie Coleman has a reverse taper. He's like an upside down funnel. Cutler is just killing him in that front lat spread.

[sgt. d]

suckmymuscle are you still 280lbs are you well ova 300 lbs now

[nicorulez]

Sucky, my bitch as usual.  You post lame ass replys and expect people to believe you.  You are a bigger clown than ND.  Whatever dude, Dorian would get anally probed by Ronnie.  Ronnie has him on size, shape and conditioning.  Those pics of Dorian's supposed taper are classic; the man has absolutely no striations or vascularity.  Ronnie would stomp him into the ground.  Regardless queen, you will always side with Dorian as he can do no wrong in your eyes.  You and ND are so cult like that I almost feel that I am trying to communicate religion with Scientologists.  ND, yeah, I assumed you were relatively intelligent initially.  However, over the past 200 pages plus, it is obvious that you are so biased that you can never give credit where due or admit your mistakes.  You are the worst debater on this board by far (except for Oliver...ehhrr Suckmyarsehole).  Both of you are so adamant you are right, that despite mounting evidence to the contrary, you cannot admit any mistakes.  Whatever, Praetor has gone through a very well detailed discussion of why Ronnie is better.  Sucky, I got some advice. Go back to school and learn how to debate intelligibly.  Your grammar is pathetic and your points laughable.  Both of you are Dorian's bitches through and through. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sucky, my bitch as usual.  You post lame ass replys and expect people to believe you.  You are a bigger clown than ND.  Whatever dude, Dorian would get anally probed by Ronnie.  Ronnie has him on size, shape and conditioning.  Those pics of Dorian's supposed taper are classic; the man has absolutely no striations or vascularity.  Ronnie would stomp him into the ground.  Regardless queen, you will always side with Dorian as he can do no wrong in your eyes.  You and ND are so cult like that I almost feel that I am trying to communicate religion with Scientologists.  ND, yeah, I assumed you were relatively intelligent initially.  However, over the past 200 pages plus, it is obvious that you are so biased that you can never give credit where due or admit your mistakes.  You are the worst debater on this board by far (except for Oliver...ehhrr Suckmyarsehole).  Both of you are so adamant you are right, that despite mounting evidence to the contrary, you cannot admit any mistakes.  Whatever, Praetor has gone through a very well detailed discussion of why Ronnie is better.  Sucky, I got some advice. Go back to school and learn how to debate intelligibly.  Your grammar is pathetic and your points laughable.  Both of you are Dorian's bitches through and through. 

Again you gloss over what I type and read what you want , Ronnie Coleman gets credit for the 2001 ASC all the way to back to 1996 but past the 01 ASC he gets zero , now why you keep insisting I give him no credit is beyond me . 

And Fenix believes Ronnie 2003 is his ' peak ' form so while he presents a nice argument it's all for not because anyone with any sense can see Ronnie 2003 was a far cry from the guy who won the 98/99 Olympia .

[pumpster]

That's what I'm talking about. Ronnie Coleman has a reverse taper. He's like an upside down funnel. Cutler is just killing him in that front lat spread.

Olly AKA SUCKMYMUSCLE again delusional, looking at the screen upside-down apparently. WTF is Jay "killing him"? Nowhere, and he's never won as a result. Duh!

If ANYONE has problems with taper, it's this guy with the spare tire obliques, GH gut and precious little size to offset that mess = H-taper..

[pumpster]

He thought you were intelligent. After familiarizing himself with your posts, he came to the realization that you are whiny, delusional, and not particularly bright. If anything, you should keep it entirely to yourself that you lost his respect. You gloat as though he is two-faced or a sycophant, when in actuality its only a testament of his ability to identify your blind irrationality.

Quite accurate assessment of ND, especially the whiny part.

[suckmymuscle]

Olly AKA SUCKMYMUSCLE again delusional, looking at the screen upside-down apparently. WTF is Jay "killing him"? Nowhere, and he's never won as a result. Duh!

If ANYONE has problems with taper, it's this guy with the spare tire obliques, GH gut and precious little size to offset that mess = H-taper..

  The impossible has happened: I found a cun t dumber than Nicorulez! For the last fucking time, you idiot: me and Oliver are two different posters. Go ask Ron and he'll confirm to you that we have two different IP addresses(do you even know what this is?) and post from two different geographical locations. Typical low I.Q cun t, who can't see the obvious.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[sculpture]

For someone with a purportedly high iq you seem all too often eager to resort to verbal abuse.

[NarcissisticDeity]

For someone with a purportedly high iq you seem all too often eager to resort to verbal abuse.

What does verbal abuse have to do with having a high IQ?

[suckmymuscle]

For someone with a purportedly high iq you seem all too often eager to resort to verbal abuse.

  Still waiting for your reply to that post of mine, replying to one of yours, where I destroy you. Was that to much verbal abuse for you to handle?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

Still waiting for your reply to that post of mine, replying to one of yours, where I destroy you. Was that to much verbal abuse for you to handle?                 

200 pages later, the evidence is conclusive..



SUCKMYASSHOLE's RETARDED..

[suckmymuscle]

200 pages later, the evidence is conclusive..



SUCKMYASSHOLE's RETARDED..

  Read my post at the top of the page - can you read -, and you'll see who is an imbecile, on the borderline of idiocy.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

 Can anyone explain to me, how exactly the 280+ lbs Ronnie has a better taper than THIS

SUCKMYMUSCLE

right here:




you see, even in 2003 Ronnie had a great taper..its just that it was shitty compared to his wasp-waist standard he set in the past..

[Hulkster]

can ND or some other fool please explain using actual poses why they rag on Ronnie 2003 so much?

yes, his waist was wider..


but his lats were without a doubt the widest in the history of bodybuilding!

If you look at mandatory poses, Ronnie in 2003 was still far and above even the 1993 Dorian.

He suffered in the "relaxed round" due to his wide waist, but the rest of his poses were unreal that year.

eg. Ronnie's 2003 quads are often criticized by ND and co.

but all shots I can find have him showing quads that were amazing, and far better than dorian ever displayed onstage:



his quads still looked awesome with arguably the best sweep in the sport at the time..hell, even Jay Cutler admitted that Ronnie's quads were better than his in 2003!

How do you like THAT opinion ND?

[NarcissisticDeity]

can ND or some other fool please explain using actual poses why they rag on Ronnie 2003 so much?

yes, his waist was wider..


but his lats were without a doubt the widest in the history of bodybuilding!

If you look at mandatory poses, Ronnie in 2003 was still far and above even the 1993 Dorian.

He suffered in the "relaxed round" due to his wide waist, but the rest of his poses were unreal that year.

eg. Ronnie's 2003 quads are often criticized by ND and co.

but all shots I can find have him showing quads that were amazing, and far better than dorian ever displayed onstage:

his quads still looked awesome with arguably the best sweep in the sport at the time..hell, even Jay Cutler admitted that Ronnie's quads were better than his in 2003!

How do you like THAT opinion ND?

No you can't see his gut onstage lol

[Oliver Klaushof]

Olly AKA SUCKMYMUSCLE again delusional, looking at the screen upside-down apparently. WTF is Jay "killing him"? Nowhere, and he's never won as a result. Duh!

If ANYONE has problems with taper, it's this guy with the spare tire obliques, GH gut and precious little size to offset that mess = H-taper..

I'm not SMM. You can't accept it. Not everyone like Coleman's physique. It's just ugly. Dorian had a "gh gut," but he was still thicker around the chest than the stomach. The same can't be said for Coleman. His chest seamlessly melts into his stomach when performing a fdb pose. Notice, Cutler's chest sticks out, and he can perform a vacuum. Perennially rewarding Coleman with the Mr.Olympia trophy, even after he lost all his aesthetic appeal, is sending the message that balance and proportion doesn't matter anymore in bodybuilding. If you are prepared to accept that, then yes, Coleman deserves his placings. Even 2001.

[Oliver Klaushof]

First Mr. O with reverse taper!

[NarcissisticDeity]

See the difference?

[nicorulez]

Jesus Sucky, I thought you were smarter than that.  To criticize my intelligence, which is far vaster than yours, would mean you are retarded.  Obviously, you and Oliver....although you spew the same garbage and have similar intelligence quotients.....referred to as one person was SARCASM.....OH MY GOD....sacasm on this board.  Both of you are chumps, don't you get it.  I was being a smart ass, as both of you spout the same nonsense without facts over and over again.  Neither can carry on a decent conversation, so one has to deal with you on your own turf.  You, ND, and Oliver might as well be triplets with the same genetic lineage.  None of you has ever admitted you were wrong...despite being proven so over and over again.  Obviously, ND is the leader as he is "the brains."  You are the lackey who goes forth like a good puppy...ehhrrr soldier....and defends Dorian's honor to the death.  How dare anyone defy "The King."  This is America against Britain all over big boy, and this time we aren't going to give you tea swigging Brit lovers a break...our American soldier Ronnie would impale Dorian from the front and behind.    By the time the fight would be over, Dorian would barely have one good arm left....damn, there goes that sarcasm again.  Oliver, he is simply the good son who wants to please his dad....ND, enjoy fatherhood.  He will verbalize his father's churlish idiotic bullshit over and over again like a parrot.  He doesn't know what he says or why he says it, but it pleases his dad and this makes it all well.  So Sucky, I admit I was being harsh lumping you and Oliver together.....that would represent inbreeding to a degree never before seen on this planet.  Thus, I know it to be impossible.

[Oliver Klaushof]

Jesus Sucky, I thought you were smarter than that.  To criticize my intelligence, which is far vaster than yours, would mean you are retarded.  Obviously, you and Oliver....although you spew the same garbage and have similar intelligence quotients.....referred to as one person was SARCASM.....OH MY GOD....sacasm on this board.  Both of you are chumps, don't you get it.  I was being a smart ass, as both of you spout the same nonsense without facts over and over again.  Neither can carry on a decent conversation, so one has to deal with you on your own turf.  You, ND, and Oliver might as well be triplets with the same genetic lineage.  None of you has ever admitted you were wrong...despite being proven so over and over again.  Obviously, ND is the leader as he is "the brains."  You are the lackey who goes forth like a good puppy...ehhrrr soldier....and defends Dorian's honor to the death.  How dare anyone defy "The King."  This is America against Britain all over big boy, and this time we aren't going to give you tea swigging Brit lovers a break...our American soldier Ronnie would impale Dorian from the front and behind.    By the time the fight would be over, Dorian would barely have one good arm left....damn, there goes that sarcasm again.  Oliver, he is simply the good son who wants to please his dad....ND, enjoy fatherhood.  He will verbalize his father's churlish idiotic bullshit over and over again like a parrot.  He doesn't know what he says or why he says it, but it pleases his dad and this makes it all well.  So Sucky, I admit I was being harsh lumping you and Oliver together.....that would represent inbreeding to a degree never before seen on this planet.  Thus, I know it to be impossible.

Coleman doesn't have a reverse taper?

He does. Fact! Deal with it. Funny how you get so frustrated you quickly resort to ad hominem. hahaha. You were pounding the keys when you typed that diatribe. hahaha

[Oliver Klaushof]

This is the greatest in the world!

[Oliver Klaushof]