Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sidechest

[sculpture]

Sidechest

Wheres the comparison?

We've been through this before, in the first pic ronnie kills dorian so STOP POSTING THAT SAME PIC TIME AND TIME AGAIN ASSERTING DORIAN IS SUPERIOR.

[Bear]

Whenever anyone prefaces their statements with " I'm a huge Dorian Yates fan "  you know a BS response is comming .

Case closed, Hulkster wins by ND's concession.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ab-thigh

[NarcissisticDeity]

Wheres the comparison?

We've been through this before, in the first pic ronnie kills dorian so STOP POSTING THAT SAME PIC TIME AND TIME AGAIN ASSERTING DORIAN IS SUPERIOR.

Dorian according to the unbiased and the IFBB judging criteria is SUPERIOR 

Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Rearlat

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Frontlat

[NarcissisticDeity]

Standing relaxed from behind

[NarcissisticDeity]

Front double biceps

[NarcissisticDeity]

Mostmuscular

[pumpster]

I see that ND's back to using Iron Age's high standards of photography when it comes to Coleman's pics.

[sculpture]

The man has truly lost it.

What i find bizarre is that he's using pics from a single contest (asc 2001) for ronnie but a collection of disparate years for what he deems are dorians "best".

ND really, you're looking more pathetic each and every post chichi

[NarcissisticDeity]

The man has truly lost it.

What i find bizarre is that he's using pics from a single contest (asc 2001) for ronnie but a collection of disparate years for what he deems are dorians "best".

ND really, you're looking more pathetic each and every post chichi

Wait let me get this NeoSeminole using pics of Yates covering all years as well but thats fine and when I do it somehow its not? lol I know your a passive poster in this thread and maybe the fear of me owning you again prevents you from posting consistantly thats okay but when you post this nonsense it shows your bias & hypocrisy.

And its Ronnie at 2001 Arnold Classic is considered his best showing ever and all of his pics are from that contest , and most of Dorian's are from 93/95 with the exception of the backdouble & front lat and the only reason I chose the backdouble because its one an awesome shot of him and its dead-on , most of the shots I have from both are on an angle .

Again Hulkster posts pics of a 300lb Ronnie to a 228lb and pumpster posts pics of Yates at his worse to Ronnie at his best and thats quit okay by you  you're just another biased groupie , so do yourself a favor sport either get in the game or sit on the sidelines. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

I see that ND's back to using Iron Age's high standards of photography when it comes to Coleman's pics.

You jackass you post pics of Dorian at his worse to Ronnie at his best you are the last person in the world who has any right to bitch about posting pics and FYI ( mororn ) 6 out of 9 of those photos are color . 

[sculpture]

So ND are you guilty or not?

If photos tell teh whole story then clearly asc 2001 isnt ronnies peak, at least not according to the photos you post. The quality of those shots is dreadful and you know fine and well they are yet you post them.

Neoseminole at least, bar the back double bicep, chose decent pics of dorian and ronnie for that matter and showed less obvious bias than you by selecting shots from different years for both men. Thats the difference.

The point is to take shots from showing both men at their peaks and this has already been established that peak ronnie > peak yates.

Infact during their reigns, "trough" ronnie > "trough yates" if we take 2002 and 1997 as their worse years respectively.

This thread has done my head in. I enjoyed fenixs discursive and logical naratives, pumpster's witty aphorisms and quips and hulksters pwning of you but frankly feel like i'm (we're) bangin our heads against a wall here and i don't even engage in the topic that much.

Its like teaching a special learning unit

[pumpster]

Its like teaching a special learning unit

Indeed; ND was no doubt a "special" student.

ND: do you agree that Ronnie has a superior taper than Dorian?

That's it..baby-steps...ND & SUCKY can get to the highfalutin stuff later. 

[nicorulez]

ND, he is a total joke.  He post pics of Dorian that are scaled completely differently than the Coleman pics.  The most muscular shot is a pic of Dorian that is twich as large.    Second, he posts very poor quality pics.  The front lat spread is not even Ronnie in the full pose.  The pic that Hulkster shows in the 2003 Russian Grand Prix clearly shows that Ronnie actually sticks his chest out and flares out his lats.  The pic ND shows are in mid-pose.    The side triceps is also a mid pose shot.  Thus, pics are a horrible way to compare.  The only true way would have been if Dorian didn't wimp out and continued to compete after 1998.  It is obvious from ND's pics that the only pics of Dorian he uses are 1993.  He understands in his heart that Ronnie would have raped any other version of Dorian (even when he was off).  In a fair show, Dorian stands no chance.  After 1993, he stood less of a chance.  Videos, yes videos, that pumpster showed clearly show Ronnies superior taper, thickness and vascularity.  Dorian's front double bi, rear lat spread, rear double bi, and side chest are not even in the same stratosphere.  Ronnie is thicker and has better wheels.  His calves may not have optimum shape, but hey, they look better comparitively than Dorian's thighs.  Moreover, Dorian does not even have arms to compete in the US Nationals.  The top five heavies at this year's USA's had better arms.  Keep on posting BS pics ND.  NeoSeminole posts all-time best pics at the correct perspective.  You post garbage, low quality pics of Ronnie (your Dorian pics are outstanding; shows the bias clearly).  Go back to bed son.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND: do you agree that Ronnie has a superior taper than Dorian?

At his best absolutely .

[NarcissisticDeity]

For refference purposes here is a ' poor quality ' pic of Ronnie VS one of Dorian and whats ironic this is Camp-Colemans M.O. they post crap pics of Dorian to shots of Dorian and then suck each other off on how superior Ronnie is lol total biased hypocrites the lot of you. 

[Hulkster]

And its Ronnie at 2001 Arnold Classic is considered his best showing ever and all of his pics are from that contest

yes but he is HALFWAY FLEXING in ALMOST EVERY ONE.

eg.


no where near completing the post, arm is not even tensed yet


side chest not nearly completed - the arm is flexed and so is the leg but his arm is not pulled back to show off his pecs yet, like this:




the fact that you would even pass this off as a lat spread is pathetic.


not even close to spreading his lats yet, but still showing great detail. Had this shot been snapped a few seconds later, it would have destroyed Dorian's relaxed back shot.


very bad shot.


Now, lets look at actual good shots of what his poses looked like at the AC:


most muscular - blows Dorkian out of the water


back double bi onstage - totally awesome.


rear lat spread - fully flexing and awesome!


front lat - unlike Dorian, his pose is complete with detailed chest and great legs, in addtion to a great pair of lats


another shot of his incredible rear lat spread - complete with glutes and hams.


another most muscular, blowing dorian's away with shape and detail..



awesome arms forward most muscular.



showing off his incredible taper


amazing backstage front double bi..


and the reverse side..

you see, those shots ND posted were some of the WORST taken of Ronnie at the AC, with the exception of the back double bi..

To most people, its pretty clear that the 2001 AC Ronnie would take Yates.

Hell, his 2001 AC physique constantly gets mentioned by many, many people as possibly the greatest ever, gut or not gut!

The same CANNOT be said for Dorian..

[NarcissisticDeity]

Here is a Camp-Coleman type comparison " see how much more superior Dorian is he blows Ronnie out of the water , Ronnie isn't even in the same universe as Dorian "

[NarcissisticDeity]

We really shouldn't say ' pre-gut ' Ronnie lol

[Hulkster]

Videos, yes videos, that pumpster showed clearly show Ronnies superior taper, thickness and vascularity.  Dorian's front double bi, rear lat spread, rear double bi, and side chest are not even in the same stratosphere.  Ronnie is thicker and has better wheels.  His calves may not have optimum shape, but hey, they look better comparitively than Dorian's thighs.  Moreover, Dorian does not even have arms to compete in the US Nationals.  The top five heavies at this year's USA's had better arms.  Keep on posting BS pics ND.  

excellent. Agree 100%.

the problem is, ND judges physiques based on scorecards, facts, opinions and sillouettes.

He doesn't look at the physiques themselves.

He has made that pretty damn obvious throughout this thread.

I doubt he even watched all the videos that were posted showing Ronnie in a form (1999) that would crush any form of Yates

[NarcissisticDeity]

excellent. Agree 100%.

the problem is, ND judges physiques based on scorecards, facts, opinions and sillouettes.

He doesn't look at the physiques themselves.

He has made that pretty damn obvious throughout this thread.

I doubt he even watched all the videos that were posted showing Ronnie in a form (1999) that would crush any form of Yates

The videos mean zero ( facts do  )  especially when biased eyes see what they want. I watched the videos obviously you like the way Ronnie looks after seeing Yates on a video all the sudden you'll come to your senses? lol please  how can someone who says ' dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder ever ' look objectively? 

[nicorulez]

ND, if you agree that Ronnie is more muscular and at his best had a better taper, then why do you feel Dorian would win.  It boggles the mind.  Besides 1992/1993 and possibly 1995, where do you think Dorian has it over Ronnie.  Arm? Hell no.  Chest? Not a chance.  Thighs? Not in this dimension.  Hamstrings?  No again. Arms? Maybe if you are blind.  Back? Call it a wash as Dorian is drier with a better lower back but Ronnie is thicker and has much greater width (easily seen in your comparison pic a few pics ago).  Calves? Of course.  Forearms?  Ronnie has more mass at the midshaft, but Dorian has thicker wrists....is this a good thing?  Traps?  No again.  Abs?  Dorian has a six pack but pendulous obliques that hang, but I will give it to you.  Taper? Not in this century.  Size? wrong again.  Density and dryness?  In 1993 and 1995 that is true, but Ronnie is dry as a bone also with striations that Dorian never had.  Moreover, his vascularity is unsurpassed.  Thus, conditioning is a wash.  In 1994 and 1997, Dorian would have gotten beaten by a subpar 2001 Ronnie (Jay easily beat both of them from the front...from the back...well?).  Overall, it is not that difficult to appreciate the superiority that Ronnie has.  People who continue to cling to the belief that what was good before is good now are often mistaken.  Dorian had great conditioning and size for a few years; he was vastly overrated for three of his last four years.  Ronnie, however, improved exponentially in 2003 (hey, the judges saw it that way and you believe they can do no wrong) and was dominant in 2004 (forget the posedown...it is bullshit...he had perfect scores in the first three meaningful rounds) and again in 2005.  Thus, your reasoning continues to be skewed.