Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, if you agree that Ronnie is more muscular and at his best had a better taper, then why do you feel Dorian would win.  It boggles the mind.  Besides 1992/1993 and possibly 1995, where do you think Dorian has it over Ronnie.  Arm? Hell no.  Chest? Not a chance.  Thighs? Not in this dimension.  Hamstrings?  No again. Arms? Maybe if you are blind.  Back? Call it a wash as Dorian is drier with a better lower back but Ronnie is thicker and has much greater width (easily seen in your comparison pic a few pics ago).  Calves? Of course.  Forearms?  Ronnie has more mass at the midshaft, but Dorian has thicker wrists....is this a good thing?  Traps?  No again.  Abs?  Dorian has a six pack but pendulous obliques that hang, but I will give it to you.  Taper? Not in this century.  Size? wrong again.  Density and dryness?  In 1993 and 1995 that is true, but Ronnie is dry as a bone also with striations that Dorian never had.  Moreover, his vascularity is unsurpassed.  Thus, conditioning is a wash.  In 1994 and 1997, Dorian would have gotten beaten by a subpar 2001 Ronnie (Jay easily beat both of them from the front...from the back...well?).  Overall, it is not that difficult to appreciate the superiority that Ronnie has.  People who continue to cling to the belief that what was good before is good now are often mistaken.  Dorian had great conditioning and size for a few years; he was vastly overrated for three of his last four years.  Ronnie, however, improved exponentially in 2003 (hey, the judges saw it that way and you believe they can do no wrong) and was dominant in 2004 (forget the posedown...it is bullshit...he had perfect scores in the first three meaningful rounds) and again in 2005.  Thus, your reasoning continues to be skewed.

When did I ever saye he was more muscular? lol keep dreaming on that one. Again contests are NOT based on who has the best parts its based on who is superior in the mandatory poses and sorry to say for Coleman fans Dorian owns most of the mandatory poses . Yates has superior muscle density , dryness , balance & proportion  and thickness coupled with being a better poser .

[Hulkster]

Watch the 1999 video of Ronnie's posing routine again and pay attention to the front double bi that he holds about half way in.

It is so much better than anything Yates has ever shown it is scary.

It had unreal arms, a way way way better taper, and supersliced quads to boot.

There are a lot of really good pics of Dorian out there (mostly scans from 90's magazines), there are comparatively few of Ronnie in peak form.


shots not to scale, had they been standing side by side, ronnie's vastly smaller waist, better thigh sweep and better taper would be very clear.

[nicorulez]

ND, that is horrible comparison shot.  Ronnie has striations and vascularity.  He is as big and muscular as that pre-contest version of Dorian.  Dorian has abs and the benefit of B&W photography under perfect lighting that makes it that much more impressive.  Dorian's left bicep, even pre-tear, was pathetic for a Mr. Olympia.  Not a striation of vein is noticeable.  His chest looks good, but his waist is still broad.  His thighs lack nary a cut.  His calves are large and diamond shape.  Oh, BTW, the pic of Dorian is approximately 30% larger than the Ronnie pic so it is not even.  If you want a comparable, check this.  Also, here are a side tri in similar condition to Dorian's famous pics  .  Again, a side chest.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Watch the 1999 video of Ronnie's posing routine again and pay attention to the front double bi that he holds about half way in.

It is so much better than anything Yates has ever shown it is scary.

It had unreal arms, a way way way better taper, and supersliced quads to boot.

There are a lot of really good pics of Dorian out there (mostly scans from 90's magazines), there are comparatively few of Ronnie in peak form.


shots not to scale, had they been standing side by side, ronnie's vastly smaller waist, better thigh sweep and better taper would be very clear.

Ronnie did look amazing in 99 in the front double bicep shot but you need more than the best biceps and taper in this shot.

Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.

[nicorulez]

What the hell does Ronnie outweigh him by 30 pounds with ND.  Is it fat?  You are clinically insane.  I have never interacted with someone so obviously delusional as you, except for Sucky. Sad.

[nicorulez]

If you think Dorian would win the front double bi shot, you are a lost cause.  It is not even worth replying to you as you have proven your idiocy.

[Hulkster]

ND, if you agree that Ronnie is more muscular and at his best had a better taper, then why do you feel Dorian would win.  It boggles the mind.  Besides 1992/1993 and possibly 1995, where do you think Dorian has it over Ronnie.  Arm? Hell no.  Chest? Not a chance.  Thighs? Not in this dimension.  Hamstrings?  No again. Arms? Maybe if you are blind.  Back? Call it a wash as Dorian is drier with a better lower back but Ronnie is thicker and has much greater width (easily seen in your comparison pic a few pics ago).  Calves? Of course.  Forearms?  Ronnie has more mass at the midshaft, but Dorian has thicker wrists....is this a good thing?  Traps?  No again.  Abs?  Dorian has a six pack but pendulous obliques that hang, but I will give it to you.  Taper? Not in this century.  Size? wrong again.  Density and dryness?  In 1993 and 1995 that is true, but Ronnie is dry as a bone also with striations that Dorian never had.  Moreover, his vascularity is unsurpassed.  Thus, conditioning is a wash.

agreed.


unreal arms. Probably the best looking overall ever

[NarcissisticDeity]

What the hell does Ronnie outweigh him by 30 pounds with ND.  Is it fat?  You are clinically insane.  I have never interacted with someone so obviously delusional as you, except for Sucky. Sad.

I'm not comparing Yates to Ronnie 2003 thats laughable this is laughable 15lbs in his quads and 15lbs in his gut WoW he's bigger , big deal .

[NarcissisticDeity]

If you think Dorian would win the front double bi shot, you are a lost cause.  It is not even worth replying to you as you have proven your idiocy.

Oh yes thats right all the other judging criteria MEANS NOTHING because Ronnie has better biceps & taper and flaired quads , my ass .

[pumpster]

At this point ND resorts to deliberate bad shots of Coleman and those black & whites of Yates, just to get a reaction.

[NarcissisticDeity]

At this point ND resorts to deliberate bad shots of Coleman and those black & whites of Yates, just to get a reaction.

Are you fucking retarded ? every single picture you personally EVER posted was a deliberate attempt to make Dorian look bad lol you've got some balls . you hypocritical loser .

[Hulkster]

bad shot of ronnie, but still interesting..

[pumpster]

You mean like the incriminating videos? The getbig poll Coleman >>> Yates?

STFU

[NarcissisticDeity]

You mean like the incriminating videos? The getbig poll Coleman >>> Yates?

STFU

Incrimnatiting videos? lol hey news flash , this just in Ronnie Coleman biased fans watched Ronnie & Dorian on video and say " Ronnie looks better " lol WoW thats a news development huh? Oh and the GetBig poll  who needs facts when you have what pumpster is offering .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Here's and interesting shot , a 250lb Ronnie gets owned in his own best pose .

[MikeThaMachine]

Camp Coleman (Hulkster mostly) needs to open their minds not their eyes and realize that each bodybuilder has their own unique look and Dorian had ALOT of great qualities when talking about his build during his Olympia reign. Ronnie is great and it's obvious because you don't win 8 Olympia's without being great but fact is Ronald also has flaws which many of you seem to neglect and pretend are non existant. The fucking picture comparisons are getting gayer everyday, most of the good debating was done with writing not picture comparisons but hey whatever i am not in this. Now if there is one thing that could make this thread more credible it would be if EVERYONE debating here agreed that each is flawed more then many of those they have beaten in the big one and stop denying those kinds of FACTS.

[pumpster]

Yates owned once again in this shot, not one of the distorted ones ND's desperately fished around for on Iron Age..

[pumpster]

Camp Coleman (Hulkster mostly) needs to open their minds not their eyes and realize that each bodybuilder has their own unique look and Dorian had ALOT of great qualities when talking about his build during his Olympia reign.

"Camp Coleman"..heheheheh

Sure, let's use your criteria and accept all differences. In which case Columbu's unique and better than Yates, so is Dickerson. 

[Hulkster]

Incrimnatiting videos? lol hey news flash , this just in Ronnie Coleman biased fans watched Ronnie & Dorian on video and say " Ronnie looks better " lol WoW thats a news development huh? Oh and the GetBig poll  who needs facts when you have what pumpster is offering .

ND, you fool - the ronnie fans don't just say "ronnie looks better"

they PROVE it by showing videos and pics that show shape, detail and vascularity that Dorian NEVER HAD IN COMPARISON.

 

no matter how hard you may try and argue otherwise,






better shape, detail and vascularity is not something that the Coleman fans simply "made up"

It is an inarguable fact if you know how contests are judged and look at the pics and videos accordingly.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Camp Coleman (Hulkster mostly) needs to open their minds not their eyes and realize that each bodybuilder has their own unique look and Dorian had ALOT of great qualities when talking about his build during his Olympia reign. Ronnie is great and it's obvious because you don't win 8 Olympia's without being great but fact is Ronald also has flaws which many of you seem to neglect and pretend are non existant. The fucking picture comparisons are getting gayer everyday, most of the good debating was done with writing not picture comparisons but hey whatever i am not in this. Now if there is one thing that could make this thread more credible it would be if EVERYONE debating here agreed that each is flawed more then many of those they have beaten in the big one and stop denying those kinds of FACTS.

Someone who gets it .

[pumpster]

Valid comparisons are irrelevant to ND and SUCKMYASSHOLE/OLLY..watch them throw out more BS as a diversion to this OWNAGE...

[Hulkster]

I am not denying that in 1993 Yates had a lot of good qualites.

But I am denying that the 1993 Yates would win over a peak Ronnie.

And, I am also denying that Yates  would not have beat shawn and flex had they been 250 pounds with a thick back.

Ronnie would have been similar to a "kicked up" shawn or flex..

And he would have won as a result.

[pumpster]

IMO Yates would have been beaten by:

-Coleman
-Schwarzenegger
-Oliva
-Haney
-Robinson
-Padilla

And at least in some cases, if the judging were fair:

-Wheeler
-Dillet-weak back doesn't erase the sheer depth of ownage on many other shots.
-Lavrone


That squat weightlifter's physique will never be near the top, never be legendary. That's why he's known as..

The Columbu of the 90s..

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, you fool - the ronnie fans don't just say "ronnie looks better"

they PROVE it by showing videos and pics that show shape, detail and vascularity that Dorian NEVER HAD IN COMPARISON.

 

no matter how hard you may try and argue otherwise,


better shape, detail and vascularity is not something that the Coleman fans simply "made up"

It is an inarguable fact if you know how contests are judged and look at the pics and videos accordingly.[/b]

It is an inarguable fact if you know how contests are judged and look at the pics and videos accordingly.

I posted the the IFBB jusging criteria more than any of you have done   and one your magical savior , superior taper , superior x-frame , who has the most vasularity , or striations , isn't included in them , but you can't pick the ' criteria ' you feel suits Ronnie the best while ignoring the whol rest of the judging criteria which you deem not important , and you are truly biased , you in all honesty cannot look objectively , I've said many times that peak Ronnie may indeed beat a peak Dorian but one thing is for sure it wouldn't be no walk in the park for Ronnie it would be a LOT closer than what you think.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Valid comparisons are irrelevant to ND and SUCKMYASSHOLE/OLLY..watch them throw out more BS as a diversion to this OWNAGE...

LMFAO you just owned yourself lol what a tool .